Duel Forum. HOW WILL IT WORK?

what about a nute contest between setups that are alike? i mean there are 22,000 bubbler users on this site. matchup the group with the closest setups and then do a head to head GH, FF, AN, and organic grow.
seems like alota contest ideas should come from the newby section to answer some of the questions that are highly debaitible, so there is 1 clear answer. yall check out just about any question in the newby section and for every 1 question there are like 50 different answers. no wonder growing seems intimidating to some folks.

Done properly we could amass the largest amount of cannabis research maybe in the world. I'm growing dwc, and it kicks the arse of hydro and soil. NFT is supposedly better... that would be a good competition. Maybe someone would have the balls to grow aero, proper aero not the aerogarden. Aero grows are notorious for failing and entire crops being lost in the blink of an eye. Maybe two aero systems could be set up, a little like fdd's scrapheap challenge idea, with or without the scrap.
 
and i dont know how hard it would be to change, but if the contests started on a thread the had blanks to fill in so yould have to have all the info entered in before the post can be completed. something like

type of grow________.(SCROG,SOG, OR WHATEVER)
strain______.
started from clone or seed___________.
days in veg________.
days in flower_________.
total days of growth___________.
light being used _______.
light hours __________.
room temp lights on _________ lights off_______.
room humidity_______.
type of nutes_______, and how is it mixed______________.
additives________.
PPM________.
PH________.
useing co2_______.(YES OR NO IF YES HOW MUCH)
topped_________.(YES OR NO IF YES HOW MANY TIMES)
lst______. (YES OR NO)
hieght________.
what was done today______________________________.
ect,ect,,,
im mean the more detailed the better if this forum will be more for info shareing and not ego boosting. dont get me wrong egos have a place in all this, but if you dont tell exactly what is being done this forum would not really help anything other than the ego of the grower.
 
Is there a way to do this in a spreadsheet or database and upload it for others to view? It might be helpful to see a grow that was more successful, be able to download that log and see what he/she did differently.
 
how about the challenger states the goals of the grow?


something like " i fdd challenged kp to: a first one to amber trichromes wins."

the challenge has now been stated. additional sub-challenges can be added: first to germ, first to 12/12, largest yield per # of sq feet....... these will all be stated in the first post of the thread by the challenger. the challenged(no pun intended) can either accept or refuse. once the challenge has been accepted then the rules have been set and cannot be change until the grow is over.
 
Sensible ideas only please. Then we can make a list at the end and get them into a manageable idea.

It's an interesting idea for sure and I think a lot of newbies would learn an awful lot about growing by some fairly experienced growers facing off against each other, each using their own favoured ways of doing things.

I do feel though that you need a measurement system to compare results and one that takes some of the variables out of the equation. This 'face off' should not be won by the person with the biggest lights, but light Kw hours used and length of time flowering should be factored into the calculations. So someone growing a more Sativa dominant plant shouldn't be disadvantaged by the longer flowering time of Sativas when pitted against someone growing out an Indica dominant plant that takes far less flowering time.

I also don't feel that there's any particular advantage to be had by everyone growing out the same strain seeds - sure some strains are bigger yielders than others but the ultimate yield is governed far more by the skill of the grower than it is by the genetics of the plant.

I'd like to suggest that you consider the 'Garden Efficiency' model for deciding on who's grow garden has performed the best as this takes into consideration some of the factors I've mentioned above.

The Garden Efficiency model works as follows and is basically how many Kw hours you use to produce 1 gram of bud. It makes it easy to compare gardens using a 125w CFL against gardens using 1000w HIDS as Kw hours and length of flowering time is factored into the calculation -

The four pieces of information you require to perform this calculation are -

• The total size of all your lights used in flowering.
• The total number of days taken in flowering.
• The flowering light cycle.
• Total yield in grams.

Example -

Garden 1 uses a 600w HPS for flowering.
The flowering cycle takes 70 days.
The light cycle is 12 hours on 12 hours off.
Total yield is 550g of dry bud.

Step 1
Find the Kw per hour figure by dividing the total wattage of your lights by 1000 -
600/1000 = 0.6

Step 2
Find the total number of Kw hours used in a day -
0.6 x 12 = 7.20

Step 3
Find total flowering Kw hour figure -
7.20 x 70 = 504

Step 4
Find the 'Garden Efficiency' figure by dividing kw hours by dried bud weight in grams -
550/504 = 1.09g per Kw hour.

The GE figure is effecitvely the same as the gram per watt of lighting used, but it factors in the size of lights used and the number of days flowering.
 
Im down

I think there shgould be a ranking system in this also so that people wouldnt get mis-matched against others, you choose your own rank though, gotta be honest
 
Seriously, this is getting to where no matter what you do there will be some excuse. the idea is great the reality is your blowing smoke.


to be fair and a real judge of growing skill and methods, you will all need the same light same bulb same temp....

lets drag race..... you ride this pinto, im going to use this funny car. first one to the finish line wins
 
wow, coming across the same bulb might be hard!!!! 400 600 1000, youre right, Im sure that noone here has any of those
 
Cheers babygro, excellent ideas there. I'm going to have to start taking a note of all the useful posts on here and assemble them into some sort of order.

Unless someone else wants to do it?

No?

Ok, I'll do it.
 
Seriously, this is getting to where no matter what you do there will be some excuse. the idea is great the reality is your blowing smoke.


to be fair and a real judge of growing skill and methods, you will all need the same light same bulb same temp....

lets drag race..... you ride this pinto, im going to use this funny car. first one to the finish line wins



saw an old VEGA(70's?) blown the doors off a brand new corvette at the track not but a couple weeks ago. frickin' thing was pumped up.
 
we should keep it simple. to try to copy everything is silly. do everything different, that would be much better. i see a lot of really good ideas. if it gets to technical it will get confusing. Keep It Simple Stoners. K.I.S.S.


ready KP? or are still coming up with excuses? nee ner nee ner
 
we should keep it simple. to try to copy everything is silly. do everything different, that would be much better. i see a lot of really good ideas. if it gets to technical it will get confusing. Keep It Simple Stoners. K.I.S.S.

Absolutely. Keep it simple, pitch one persons grow methodology against another persons grow methodology and the winner is whoever pulls the most bud grammage per kw of lighting used.

You don't pull big yields by being a bad grower and only the very best growers will be able to maximise their yield to the resources at hand.

This isn't about who can grow a pot plant and keep it alive long enough to get a harvest from it, it's about utilising your grow skill and knowledge and growing out plants to the best of their genetic potential and getting them to yield as big a crop of buds as you can achieve.

Sure, they'll be inexperienced growers who pick a big yielding strain like Chronic or Big Bud shove a huge HID light at them and by not making any major mistakes pull in a decent yield, but the very best growers will get good yields and results from ANY strain not just the big yielding ones and that's what you're looking for - someone who can produce good results from their setup growing out pretty much any strain you can think of.

Keep it simple.
 
This isn't about who can grow a pot plant and keep it alive long enough to get a harvest from it, it's about utilising your grow skill and knowledge and growing out plants to the best of their genetic potential and getting them to yield as big a crop of buds as you can achieve.


perfect.


just take into consideration strain variants and i think we are set.



KP, oh happy grower......... are you hiding........ wanna play????
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What I've found with so-called big yielders is that they weigh the same it just looks like you've got more. Big Bud also known as fluffy.

This is my experience and this doesn't come from growing the strains except grapefruit... it looks more for your money.

Anyone else agree with this, or should I start another thread?
 
What I've found with so-called big yielders is that they weigh the same it just looks like you've got more. Big Bud also known as fluffy.

This is my experience and this doesn't come from growing the strains except grapefruit... it looks more for your money.

Anyone else agree with this, or should I start another thread?

i agree; for the most part. i have some excellent yeilders, indica and sativa, nice tight, compact nuggets... then i have some that get enormous buds (i'll attach a pic) but weigh in around the same, if not just a tad bit more than the others. buds are fluffy, and expand when lit.

here's a pic...a bud the size of a softball...
 

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perfect.


just take into consideration strain variants and i think we are set.



KP, oh happy grower......... are you hiding........ wanna play????

i think i'm going to be in for an outdoor, unmaintanenced grow. unless one of you guys has a relay i can borrow; read kp gets her feet wet, the sitch is touched on there...
 
Anyone else agree with this, or should I start another thread?

Don't know Skunky, I've never grown out Chronic or Big Bud and have no intention of ever growing them out - the smoke isn't that great from either from what I've heard. Best for commercial grows where yield is more important than percy grows where smoke quality is important.

In any case 3 of my Mandala Satori popped their heads out this morning along with all 4 Mandala Kalichakra so I'm really looking forward to growing these guys out! Still waiting on 1 Satori though.
 
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