dual spectrum lights

Defcon9 said:

Nice, which bastard company you workin for? I want to get out man be doin it to long. The market isn't as bad for us as people make it seem but I just want out.

anyways, I was just sayin not that it won't work, I'd just be careful and wouldn't trust something going realy wrong if it's not what it was designed for. The HPS ballast will light the MH bulb, but if it ain't reccomended by manufacturer I wouldn't use it.

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Defcon9 said:

What the fuck are you talking about??? beable to do something doesn't make it safe. I never said it can't be done. I said it shouldn't be done. That is a big fucken difference.

Yes it can be done, no one disputes that. It is the safety behind it that is being argued. I can drive a car without a seat belt, that doesn't make it okay. And that post I put up was off a site that sells bulbs. Not recomended.

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mygirls said:

i pay $110 for my hps bulb.

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Defcon9 said:

Nice, which bastard company you workin for? I want to get out man be doin it to long. The market isn't as bad for us as people make it seem but I just want out.

anyways, I was just sayin not that it won't work, I'd just be careful and wouldn't trust something going realy wrong if it's not what it was designed for. The HPS ballast will light the MH bulb, but if it ain't reccomended by manufacturer I wouldn't use it.

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mygirls said:

that hps ballast is over 5 years old, i have been switching lights around in it for 2 years now and wala its still running my house is still standing..
ok so heres one for you. i just went a bought a used hps light setup, the old lady had two of the same setups.. one with a hps bulb witch is the one i bought and the other with a mh bulb.. now this mind you is a 70 year old lady that used to grow..

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Hairy Bob said:

You do strike me as the sort of person that finds out he shouldn't do something, then proceeds to try to find out why not the hard way.
I look forward to reading your entry in the darwin awards.
That video conjures up memories of my friend telling me I can save time when wiring a plug by just cutting off the earth wire
"Look, it works just fine without it, you've been wasting your time wiring that 3rd pin up!"
He didn't want to hear about safety either.

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mygirls said:

and this is as safe as eating candy. and you better go and re read you post cuz yes you did.

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Defcon9 said:

You're missing my point and everyone elses that is disputing this with yo my friend. None of us are saying it can't be done. It's just not recomended. If in a few years from now they catch fire will you be like that's weird, or more like I was warned not to do this? It's just that doing it that way was not an approved way for the light/ballast to be set up. Yes it works we know that, it's a matter of how safe is it doing it that way vers getting the reccomended components?

It's all down to a safety factor and you saying that you do it there for it is safe is not a good answer for me or many others here. Like I said driving with out a seat belt can be done. People do it all the time with no adverse effects. It's that one in thousand that gets into an accident and thrown throgh a window that shows it's not safe, yet for that one person there are 999 ppl that still don't wear belts.

Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should do something.

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LUDACRIS said:

over my last 20 years as a tech/m.o.t tester/service manager i have worked for.
KWIK FIT (massive fast fit chain).
VAUXHALL.
HYUNDAI.
PROTON.
SAAB.
BMW.
FORD.
ALFA.
FIAT.
KIA.
RENAULT.
PEUGEOT.
MERCEDES.
now i run my own workshop with a young apprentice.
CHRIS.

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defcon9 said:

i didn't say it won't work i say it might not be safe. Nice vid.

the ballasts are compact and run quietly. The ballasts also boast a 5-year replacement or repair warranty. Each ballast powers a single light and can be remote mounted up to 15 feet away (15 foot cord provided) on a wall or table. A 120 v standard power cord that connects to the ballast is provided. If you wish to run your pl light from a 220 v power supply, please let us know and a 220 v power cord will be supplied. Each ballast can be switched between 120 v and 220 v settings (this feature is available currently, but will not be in the future). note: bulbs must be used with their corresponding ballast. For instance, you can not use a 400 w mh bulb with a 400 w hps ballast, nor could you use a 400 w bulb (of any type) in a 1000 w (or any other power) ballast.

from: http://www.rittenhouse.ca/asp/product.asp?pg=1246

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Defcon9 said:

Unleaded was to replace leaded fuel that was very toxic. There is a huge difference.

If you mean octane levels, there is a huge diffference as well. Regular fuel is good for most vehicles on the market. The higher octane is for higher compression engines and performance cars. Higher compression, turbo vehicles, etc, require a more controlled burn or you get engine ping and possible engine damage or lack of performance. I used to drive a Ford Probe GT. On regular gas I could drive, but when I put 91 (reccomended on this car) the performance difference is huge. The engine gets unlocked. On My RX-7 I can not run anything under 94 octane without risk of blowing my engine. All the Porsches and Audis at work all require 93 or higher. There is a huge difference, but on a regular car, Civic, Corolla etc there is no reason to go anyhigher than 87 you will feel no difference and possibly actually lose performance. If the manufactuer reccomends 87 stick to it, that's what the car is designed for, using higher octane (like people that fill up with 91 thinking it's good once in a while) can acctually cause more problems than good for you.

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mygirls said:

so next your going to tell me that when i ran my 1000wtt hps off 110 volt with no groung wire to the plug or to the bulb would not workor start a fire.... not did it for a year.

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LUDACRIS said:

not true mate you can run a car efficiently on chip fat oil/methane gas/regular gas/super unleaded/regular unleaded/electricity etc. etc.
if the vehicle is converted for the purpose.
CHRIS.

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Defcon9 said:

This fourms seems to be getting peopls backs up a little to much for me. Mygirls I've read posts from you before and you seem to be a nice guy. I seem to be really getting you pissed off talking about safety as you seem to want nothing to do with it. You say it works for you and you find it safe okay fine. Congrats. Personally for me I like to follow the recomendations from those building the products. That's just how I roll. I will leave it at that as yes I too seem to be getting my back up a bit now. I am going to just walk away from this and let the rest of you battle this out.

My only sugestion would be to call a manufacturer and ask. I posted off a site but you say it's irrelevant. I tried calling HID Hut to ask them but they were closed. I can do no more.

So the rest of you enjoy this debate, but it's time for me to step out. I might stop back by tonight to see what goes on. Talk to you all later.

Peace all.

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mygirls said:

i am very safe person, i don't do any thing or i would not give out and info that i thought or new that was not safe.. i would not do that to family and youall are famliy.. my whole setup is 100% safe if it wasn't it waould not be running.. i think saftey all the time at what ever i do, 1st thought is is it safe....

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Defcon9 said:

My god, well said. The family part is so true. That's why when I feel the arguement getting to heated I just want to walk away. I know all families fight, but we all gotta stick together. Like I said I've read posts that you've had up before and I have great respect for you. That's why I just want to get out before we get pissed off at each other.

Peace.

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Hairy Bob said:

The difference between a mh and a hps ballast is the ignitor, which provides a high voltage pulse of at least 2500v to initiate the lamp arc. Once the system is energized, the ignitor provides the required pulse until the lamp arc is established and then stops pulsing automatically.
A standard mh bulb does not require an ignitor, and using one with it will shorten the bulb life. You may say 'so what? I change my bulb before it burns out anyway' but the reason you change your bulb before it blows is because of the decline in lumens that the lamp produces as it ages, which is accelerated by using the wrong type of ballast.
I have recently discovered there is such a thing as a pulse start mh bulb, which do require an ignitor (I assume these are what are sold as conversion bulbs) but I don't know if there are visible differences between the two types or how one might be identified over another.
People might be more receptive to your arguments if you offered more supporting evidence than 'I do it so it's fine'. You have shown that electrical safety is either not your strong point or your main concern by stating that you plugged a hid bulb into the mains repeatedly, and also that you ran a high wattage light for a year without an earth wire!

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