letshopetheygrow
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hey. one of my babies just keeps gettin worse and worse, dunno whats wrong.
dropping and shriveling, wtf. with pics
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letshopetheygrow
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bump. please help
letshopetheygrow
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bump. its gettin worse in the lower leaves
letshopetheygrow
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ive been phing the water to right around 6.1-6.3, no real nutes, superthrive from time to time in the watering.
its been hot though, the problem started when it was over 90 in there, but now it is staying anywhere between 80 and about 87.
its been hot though, the problem started when it was over 90 in there, but now it is staying anywhere between 80 and about 87.
letshopetheygrow
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thanks for the advice on the phing, ill keep it a little higher, im watering every day pretty much. i was wondering if it should be more or less right now.
im using miracle grow which has nutes in it right now and i don't want to burn them with my own nutes.
im using miracle grow which has nutes in it right now and i don't want to burn them with my own nutes.
bonz
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ouch. to often mg no good
to start when you water do a wet/dry cycle. feel the weight of the pot when its bone dry not it give enough water that you get a bit of run off out the bottom, feel the weight again note it now when the pot`s are close like 1 more day and it will be light like it was bone dry then it`s time to water again the same way everytime. with mg and the slow release nutes everytime you water it releases them so it gives to much. to much watering causes ph imballance.
try this for your mg if you want.
FOR MIRACLE GROW NUTES :
If you really MUST use Miracle Grow Nutes or Soil cuz there isn't anything else available (cost can't be a reason, MG is about the same price as some organics !)
THEN USE THIS GUIDE PLEASE!!!
(enough for 2-3 plants .. just use more jugs for more plants!)
Get regular miracle grow (Not tomato or Rose food or azalea formula!)
AND Blossom Booster (or Schultz Professional Bloom food)
get 2- 1 gallon jugs of spring water from the store (about $1 each)
and an empty jug. Mark them (A) (B) & (C) --- (B) is the empty jug!
in the 1st jug (A) mix the MG at 1/4 the recomended rate for indoor plants.
In the 2nd jug (C), mix at 1/2 stregnth for indoor plants.
pour 1/2 of both into the empty jug (B)
Now-- when your plants get their 3rd set of leaves, feed once every 10 days. Start with (A) for the 1st 2 feed... then (B).. and end-up with (C) the week before you go 12/12.
FLUSH YOUR PLANTS WITH 5 GALLONS OF CLEAR WATER BEFOR GOING 12/12!
MG builds up-- and will lock-up as you add the stronger bloom nutes!
as the final part of the flush-- pour in a couple pints of your new bloom nutes (see below)
Do the same with your bloom nutes, Mix ahead in larger amounts... BUT--mix Jug (A) at 1/2 rate, Jug (C) at full stregnth-- and (B) the 2 mixed.
Start with (A) the 1st day of 12/12, then again in 10 days,
then switch to (B). Do not switch to (C) until the week before you flush for harvest!
when the trichomes just start turning cloudy, give em their last dose. In 10 days, check the trichs again.. if not all cloudy, you can feed again-- But go back to (B)
MAKE SURE TO FLUSH WELL AND WAIT THE FULL 2 WEEKS TO HARVEST!
You need to flush all the Nitrogen and magnesium out of the plants-- so Flush them well, put back in the bloom room the full 2 weeks till harvest, water as needed .. but absolutely no nutes or foliar sprays!
IF you foliar fed during the grow-- be sure to use a sprayer of water to gently shower it off the plants! (also gets rid of dead bugs & dust stuck to the buds!)
USING MG SOIL IS NEVER RECOMENDED!!
it has TIME RELEASED nutes-- so flushing is impossible... and you do not know how much nutes are being released or used by the plants.
If yYou Used MG soil, do NOT nute at all during veg... and use only additional P-K and suppliments without "N" during bloom...
And pre-harvest flushing can NOT be done on the normal 2 week schedule because of the time released nutes-- you must emergency flush when the trichs are how ya want em...
Cut the plant off at soil level. Place plant in a bucket with enough PLAIN tapwater to cover the base, but not touch lower limbs or vegetation....
Add a bubbler to the bucket to help "fool" the plant into thinking it is still alive (this only works up to 4 days before they wilt!)
Tthe plant will now use the nutrients stored in it's system . Leave under the lights at least 2 days-- up to 4 (3 is the usual amount)
IF you are one who puts their plants in the dark the last 3 days, give em at least 24 hours under lights before ya do... the photosynthesis will help the plant flush out unused nitrogen.
When using MG Fertilizer (as well as Schultz or Peter's ) Watch for:
Clawing
brown dry spots
crinckling leaves
pale new growth
Yellowing
if these happen, flush the plant, and wait 2-3 days before feeding again.
If Using MG soil and this happens, your best route is to re-plant in a bigger planter with different soil... DO NOT try to remove the existing soil from the roots of the plant!!!!
Good luck--
MG may not be the best-- but it CAN work!
HOPE THIS HELPS CLEAR UP THE "HOW DO I USE THIS" QUESTIONS!!!
Source: Lady Zandra
help for those of you who- due to resourses- must use Miracle grow (or schultz/Peters) Or Fish Ferts.
This Lists the BASICS needed to use most readily available Brands (and a few of the extras-- but there ARE more!) and both a weekly schedual (dirt & hydro IF you change the water weekly) and Phasic feeding for bubblers.
Phasic shedules can be followed for soil-- but do not work as well!
ALL MEASURES ARE PER U.S. GALLON...
Hope this helps!!!
EDITED NOTE FOR PHASIC FEEDINGS!!!
Unless your Nutes specific schedule tells you what to do for sprouting and seedling, you need to cut back on the nutes for that stage BEFORE youconsider it to be "phase one"
Week ONE is NOT as soon as they are sprouted and have leaves! Week one is after they have 4 sets of true leaves---
Start your new seedlings in JUST Ph adjusted water (can use hydrogard & superthrive)
When they get their 3rd set of leaves--add HALF of the amound called for in phase 1 of your phasic schedule--
When they open another 2 sets of leaves (fully!) then add the other 1/2 to bring it to the amount required for "Phase 1" this will greatly reduce the possibility of nute-burn or over feeding...and allows the babies to adjust to the nutes easier.
to start when you water do a wet/dry cycle. feel the weight of the pot when its bone dry not it give enough water that you get a bit of run off out the bottom, feel the weight again note it now when the pot`s are close like 1 more day and it will be light like it was bone dry then it`s time to water again the same way everytime. with mg and the slow release nutes everytime you water it releases them so it gives to much. to much watering causes ph imballance.
try this for your mg if you want.
FOR MIRACLE GROW NUTES :
If you really MUST use Miracle Grow Nutes or Soil cuz there isn't anything else available (cost can't be a reason, MG is about the same price as some organics !)
THEN USE THIS GUIDE PLEASE!!!
(enough for 2-3 plants .. just use more jugs for more plants!)
Get regular miracle grow (Not tomato or Rose food or azalea formula!)
AND Blossom Booster (or Schultz Professional Bloom food)
get 2- 1 gallon jugs of spring water from the store (about $1 each)
and an empty jug. Mark them (A) (B) & (C) --- (B) is the empty jug!
in the 1st jug (A) mix the MG at 1/4 the recomended rate for indoor plants.
In the 2nd jug (C), mix at 1/2 stregnth for indoor plants.
pour 1/2 of both into the empty jug (B)
Now-- when your plants get their 3rd set of leaves, feed once every 10 days. Start with (A) for the 1st 2 feed... then (B).. and end-up with (C) the week before you go 12/12.
FLUSH YOUR PLANTS WITH 5 GALLONS OF CLEAR WATER BEFOR GOING 12/12!
MG builds up-- and will lock-up as you add the stronger bloom nutes!
as the final part of the flush-- pour in a couple pints of your new bloom nutes (see below)
Do the same with your bloom nutes, Mix ahead in larger amounts... BUT--mix Jug (A) at 1/2 rate, Jug (C) at full stregnth-- and (B) the 2 mixed.
Start with (A) the 1st day of 12/12, then again in 10 days,
then switch to (B). Do not switch to (C) until the week before you flush for harvest!
when the trichomes just start turning cloudy, give em their last dose. In 10 days, check the trichs again.. if not all cloudy, you can feed again-- But go back to (B)
MAKE SURE TO FLUSH WELL AND WAIT THE FULL 2 WEEKS TO HARVEST!
You need to flush all the Nitrogen and magnesium out of the plants-- so Flush them well, put back in the bloom room the full 2 weeks till harvest, water as needed .. but absolutely no nutes or foliar sprays!
IF you foliar fed during the grow-- be sure to use a sprayer of water to gently shower it off the plants! (also gets rid of dead bugs & dust stuck to the buds!)
USING MG SOIL IS NEVER RECOMENDED!!
it has TIME RELEASED nutes-- so flushing is impossible... and you do not know how much nutes are being released or used by the plants.
If yYou Used MG soil, do NOT nute at all during veg... and use only additional P-K and suppliments without "N" during bloom...
And pre-harvest flushing can NOT be done on the normal 2 week schedule because of the time released nutes-- you must emergency flush when the trichs are how ya want em...
Cut the plant off at soil level. Place plant in a bucket with enough PLAIN tapwater to cover the base, but not touch lower limbs or vegetation....
Add a bubbler to the bucket to help "fool" the plant into thinking it is still alive (this only works up to 4 days before they wilt!)
Tthe plant will now use the nutrients stored in it's system . Leave under the lights at least 2 days-- up to 4 (3 is the usual amount)
IF you are one who puts their plants in the dark the last 3 days, give em at least 24 hours under lights before ya do... the photosynthesis will help the plant flush out unused nitrogen.
When using MG Fertilizer (as well as Schultz or Peter's ) Watch for:
Clawing
brown dry spots
crinckling leaves
pale new growth
Yellowing
if these happen, flush the plant, and wait 2-3 days before feeding again.
If Using MG soil and this happens, your best route is to re-plant in a bigger planter with different soil... DO NOT try to remove the existing soil from the roots of the plant!!!!
Good luck--
MG may not be the best-- but it CAN work!
HOPE THIS HELPS CLEAR UP THE "HOW DO I USE THIS" QUESTIONS!!!
Source: Lady Zandra
help for those of you who- due to resourses- must use Miracle grow (or schultz/Peters) Or Fish Ferts.
This Lists the BASICS needed to use most readily available Brands (and a few of the extras-- but there ARE more!) and both a weekly schedual (dirt & hydro IF you change the water weekly) and Phasic feeding for bubblers.
Phasic shedules can be followed for soil-- but do not work as well!
ALL MEASURES ARE PER U.S. GALLON...
Hope this helps!!!
EDITED NOTE FOR PHASIC FEEDINGS!!!
Unless your Nutes specific schedule tells you what to do for sprouting and seedling, you need to cut back on the nutes for that stage BEFORE youconsider it to be "phase one"
Week ONE is NOT as soon as they are sprouted and have leaves! Week one is after they have 4 sets of true leaves---
Start your new seedlings in JUST Ph adjusted water (can use hydrogard & superthrive)
When they get their 3rd set of leaves--add HALF of the amound called for in phase 1 of your phasic schedule--
When they open another 2 sets of leaves (fully!) then add the other 1/2 to bring it to the amount required for "Phase 1" this will greatly reduce the possibility of nute-burn or over feeding...and allows the babies to adjust to the nutes easier.
letshopetheygrow
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thanks a bunch for that guide, luckily the aren't huge and might need to be repotted, so i will ditch the mg when that happens