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notoriouscheech

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Transplanted two clones two days ago from rockwool cubes that were giving me troubles, very tiny root on one and dried out on the other. Can i do anything to help these poor guys heal up? On a 24/0 veg cycle currently and gave them distilled water feeding after transplanting into Fox Farms Ocean Forest. Also another small guy that has a burnt/dying leaf behind those.

Figure all i can do for now is continue giving light/water every few days when dried. My temps are staying around 63-73 and im trying to figure out how to combat that currently. In a 5x5 and whats proving to be a cold garage. Have a small heating mat underneath the carboard box they are sitting in currently.
 

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Herb & Suds said:
Mist twice a day and reduce light plain water
I generally set mine off in a darkened corner of my veg room
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Ive got them under an LED that is dimmed down completely. Think i should move away from center? I havnt been misting much as I read the light can burn the leaves if misted. Assuming misting and putting in the corner will help solve this issue.
 
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I'm going to suggest removing some of the bottom leaves from the droopy ones. Or just do it on a couple and see if they get better. My theory is that reducing leaf surface area will reduce the cuttings' demand for water and give them time to develop more roots. You could also just cut a few leaves in half. I would go after the leaves that are starting to dry out and look unhealthy.

If it makes you feel any better, I've seen less-healthy looking clones or cuttings that eventually recovered.
 
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ltecato said:
I'm going to suggest removing some of the bottom leaves from the droopy ones. Or just do it on a couple and see if they get better. My theory is that reducing leaf surface area will reduce the cuttings' demand for water and give them time to develop more roots. You could also just cut a few leaves in half. I would go after the leaves that are starting to dry out and look unhealthy.

If it makes you feel any better, I've seen less-healthy looking clones or cuttings that eventually recovered.
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Awesome to hear! I dont feel too terrible about them all...just the couple are disheartening. All a good learning experience though! I was thinking probably about 1-2 weeks until i transplant from the cup into a 1 gallon, then to a 5 most likely. Sound about right?

Some of the clones in cups arent sucking up too much water yet
 
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notoriouscheech said:
Awesome to hear! I dont feel too terrible about them all...just the couple are disheartening. All a good learning experience though! I was thinking probably about 1-2 weeks until i transplant from the cup into a 1 gallon, then to a 5 most likely. Sound about right?

Some of the clones in cups arent sucking up too much water yet
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Cheech...I'm with ilecato on removing leaves. It can make the difference between a clone living or dying. If a new clone droops badly...either back under a dome or trim some leaflets.

And I know clones are supposed to be tough as adult plants...still ffof is a little strong sometimes. Maybe dilute it a bit with milder soil.
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PS No, they won't drink much till they get some decent roots below them.
 
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"Some of the clones in cups arent sucking up too much water yet"

Well, if they don't have roots but they do have lots of foliage, they could be wilting because their stems are not sucking up enough water to keep the leaves from drying out. Remember, water is constantly evaporating out of the leaves. If you remove some of the leaf surface area, the stems don't have to "work" so hard to keep the water moving up to the top of the cutting. It's worth a try to see if it helps. You should see the cutting perking up and getting more "turgid" within a couple hours, if my theory is correct.
 
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Cheech...I'm with ilecato on removing leaves. It can make the difference between a clone living or dying. If a new clone droops badly...either back under a dome or trim some leaflets.

And I know clones are supposed to be tough as adult plants...still ffof is a little strong sometimes. Maybe dilute it a bit with milder soil.
JD

PS No, they won't drink much till they get some decent roots below them.
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Pulled off a couple leaves on each of the ones that werent looking to good. Fingers crossed on them.

Makes sense.. Would you advise to feeding them anything but ph'd water at this point to help with things?

I also have 2 cuts that i was given in a cup of water, ive been replacing the water everyday. Without getting rockwool cubes could i cut the bottom of the stem a little and water root it? Or should i just bite the bullet on some cubes and cloning gel/powder?

Thanks!
 
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Every change you make in environment slows progress, from changing water to light , to checking roots...just stop and they will root
 
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Updates on the clones

Everything looking fairly good. Still a little droopy on the two but I've got faith. Still no roots able to be seen from the holes in the bottom of the cups. Assuming this week or next I will be transplanting the biggest one. Need to pick up some Azos and Mykos if im not mistaken, as that will help the root growth a bunch once i do transplant.
 

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ltecato said:
I'm going to suggest removing some of the bottom leaves from the droopy ones. Or just do it on a couple and see if they get better. My theory is that reducing leaf surface area will reduce the cuttings' demand for water and give them time to develop more roots. You could also just cut a few leaves in half. I would go after the leaves that are starting to dry out and look unhealthy.

If it makes you feel any better, I've seen less-healthy looking clones or cuttings that eventually recovered.
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When I got my clones they looked like they weren’t gonna make it and they recovered after I trimmed all the leaves back about 50%
 

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Clumpyoyster said:
When I got my clones they looked like they weren’t gonna make it and they recovered after I trimmed all the leaves back about 50%
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Awesome pics man, thanks for that. Do you think I should maybe trim up another leaf or two on ones still drooping?


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Increase the dark period. Vegging with lights on 24/7 is not optimal for root development.
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I always see back and forth info on this. Do you think 18/6 is the route to go? I've been going 24/0 currently but am certainly not opposed to flipping to 18/6.

Thanks for the responses!
 
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notoriouscheech said:
Awesome pics man, thanks for that. Do you think I should maybe trim up another leaf or two on ones still drooping?



I always see back and forth info on this. Do you think 18/6 is the route to go? I've been going 24/0 currently but am certainly not opposed to flipping to 18/6.

Thanks for the responses!
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No problem! 18/6 is good for veg. As long as you got temps under control you should see only benefits. I use a simple DWC bucket system with a few drops of chlorine. I add some bloom nutrients, maybe 50ppm, keep it simple. I usually see roots after 4-7 days depending on if I use root hormone or not. I don't bother using IAA/NAA combo anymore because it's not really needed for rooting.signal-2019-08-19-165935-1.jpg
 
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notoriouscheech said:
Awesome pics man, thanks for that. Do you think I should maybe trim up another leaf or two on ones still drooping?



I always see back and forth info on this. Do you think 18/6 is the route to go? I've been going 24/0 currently but am certainly not opposed to flipping to 18/6.

Thanks for the responses!
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Noto,
There was a Canadian clone study a year or so back. They were looking at different techniques. The only thing I now do different when I clone...is to remove a few leaflets rather then an entire leaf. Retains the petiole and probably less stressful to plant. See picture.
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JohnDee said:
Noto,
There was a Canadian clone study a year or so back. They were looking at different techniques. The only thing I now do different when I clone...is to remove a few leaflets rather then an entire leaf. Retains the petiole and probably less stressful to plant. See picture.
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I see little to no reasons to use rockwool cubes for cloning. There's to much space for making errors and it's really hard to not overwater. Especially if you are new to growing. It's to costly and not effective enough in my opinion.
 
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Wastei said:
No problem! 18/6 is good for veg. As long as you got temps under control you should see only benefits. I use a simple DWC bucket system with a few drops of chlorine. I add some bloom nutrients, maybe 50ppm, keep it simple. I usually see roots after 4-7 days depending on if I use root hormone or not. I don't bother using IAA/NAA combo anymore because it's not really needed for rooting.
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Holy jumpin those are some gorgeous roots. All in due time haha. I've got another thread here that may help give some more info/pics. I will change to 18/6 tonight/tomorrow.

other thread

I am on the colder side of things and trying to work with it and fix but having trouble so far. Staying around 62-68 but temps will be dropping more soon. Thinking on adding another 600W hps light along side this LED to help add some heat. Thoughts?

JohnDee said:
Noto,
There was a Canadian clone study a year or so back. They were looking at different techniques. The only thing I now do different when I clone...is to remove a few leaflets rather then an entire leaf. Retains the petiole and probably less stressful to plant. See picture.
JD
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Thanks for this! Makes a lot of sense. I do have cut leaves on a few but not all. These are all clones I acquired from a buddy and seems some were treated differently than others!

I also have 2 cuts in a cup of water im trying to water root... We will see how that goes! Figured for just 2 cuts I dont want to buy rockwool/rooting solution just yet.
 
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Wastei said:
I see little to no reasons to use rockwool cubes for cloning. There's to much space for making errors and it's really hard to not overwater. Especially if you are new to growing. It's to costly and not effective enough in my opinion.
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I agree on the overwatering issue...but it's a complex and viable media that feeds lots of people over in the EU. You have to know how to use it. I've used the small cubes for seeds and cloning for over 10 years and have near perfect success. I also have three cases of the stuff bought for p-nuts at an auction. So I use it whenever I can. Vegged some plants in 3" cubes and they are now in hydro under 315s.
JD

PS I edited to correct the size cube I used for veg. I used a 3" Grodan cube...the one with a round hole in it for the round plug. I was able to veg to about 15" and then...into a hydro unit.
 
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Updates for everything. Still no luck on the two in the cup for water rooting, getting another cup now so they can each have some room. They look healthy just no roots yet.

The two that were struggling a little are looking a little better! One has some iffy leaves but the other looks great for what it is. Still colder temps than I'd like but looking to combat that soon. Transplanting the big one tomorrow once some azos/mykos arrives.
 

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