Droopy and Clawing

I seem to have a problem with this after every watering and I would like tips on what I can do to prevent this but anway...

My plants ALWAYS get droopy after watering but it seems to be really bad this time on the lower leaves. I also had clawing around 2 waterings ago but I was told it was just overwatering but I extended my watering period and it's still clawing pretty bad...

I wait 3-4 days before watering. Fox farms nutes every other watering. Like third week of flowering I think. 400W HPS and 12/12. Mid 80s temps during light. about 70 even during dark. Don't measure humidity (although I should). 2 white widows.

you are giving them too many nutes...the tips curling down is too much nitrogen..i tested a baby plant i feed 2000ppm and the tips curled in a few hours...flush these guys really good, and then only give them nutes every other watering and you should be fine

alright then. Thanks.

btw pH is always 6.4-6.7

r u watering by weight? ur in flower every 3-4 days might not be enough. leaves look a bit crispy to me? (if so that would be overnuting) it seems every other water is too much for ur plants, imo.

what kind of nutrients are you useing ??? you are in flower you need food at all stages of it i would flush real good then 1 hr after flushing give them a nutrient feed not sure what you are using but good rule of thumb if your useing A- B use 2 ml per 1 litre so 2 ml A 2 ml B all other supliments use 1 ml per litre i hope you are also adding a soil nutrient for your organic matter you could very well be getting to acidic in your soil you need to add molasses to break it down other then that looks good

thexception said:

r u watering by weight? ur in flower every 3-4 days might not be enough. leaves look a bit crispy to me? (if so that would be overnuting) it seems every other water is too much for ur plants, imo.

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I just make a gallon of nute'd water and use a little less than half a gallon on each plant and just get the soil good and soaked. I just realized how stupid that probably is. I just don't know how much to water though...

DrFever said:

what kind of nutrients are you useing ??? you are in flower you need food at all stages of it i would flush real good then 1 hr after flushing give them a nutrient feed not sure what you are using but good rule of thumb if your useing A- B use 2 ml per 1 litre so 2 ml A 2 ml B all other supliments use 1 ml per litre i hope you are also adding a soil nutrient for your organic matter you could very well be getting to acidic in your soil you need to add molasses to break it down other then that looks good

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I'm using fox farms tiger bloom and big bloom (and grow big). I use as much a bit less than they say on the bottle for "general feeding" which is 2-3 teaspoons/gal for the tiger bloom ( I use 2 teaspoons of tiger bloom) and 4 tablespoons per gallon for the big bloom (I actually only use like 1 tablespoon of big bloom) but I'm slowly increasing at every feeding.

no it is not stupid, & that may not be enough water. when u water, u should water until it comes out the drainholes everytime. once it comes out, u have watered correctly until the next time

snowman4839 said:

I'm using fox farms tiger bloom and big bloom (and grow big). I use as much a bit less than they say on the bottle for "general feeding" which is 2-3 teaspoons/gal for the tiger bloom ( I use 2 teaspoons of tiger bloom) and 4 tablespoons per gallon for the big bloom (I actually only use like 1 tablespoon of big bloom) but I'm slowly increasing at every feeding.

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wow really? I will say I cannot comment on fox farms products but alot of people here can. That seems like a LOT of nutes! I use growtech monster bloom & it says the ratio is 1 tsp. per 5 GALLONS....

thexception said:

no it is not stupid, & that may not be enough water. when u water, u should water until it comes out the drainholes everytime. once it comes out, u have watered correctly until the next time

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but how much should come out of the bottom? I mean all of my soil is good and soaked after I water. and my plants always act like I overwater even if the soil is damn-near dry before the watering. should I be watering at the beginning of the light cycle?

thexception said:

wow really? I will say I cannot comment on fox farms products but alot of people here can. That seems like a LOT of nutes! I use growtech monster bloom & it says the ratio is 1 tsp. per 5 GALLONS....

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lol I wouldn't lie. here's a chart showing recommended mixes every week by the FF website http://www.foxfarmfertilizer.com/SoilSystems_FF_Feed.pdf

sry about the multiple posts forgot to add:

water by weight. next time u water & u do so all the way through the drainholes. after a few minutes, lift ur pot. then u check it every day. one day u will feel it noticeably LIGHT, & that is when u want to water again. it takes a few waters by u will quickly know when it needs watering.

it should come out the bottom just enough for u to see it come out the bottom, it is okay if u had lets say instead of a cup come out, 3 cups, it is not a big deal & will not hurt ur plant. this is not overwatering! overwatering is watering too often, not too much during the watering time when the plant needs it.

took a quick look at the ff, of course I didnt mean it didnt say that, but most ferts r for general plants such as tomatoes, etc. cannabis is a seperate animal so to speak & in "general" most strains cant handle full nutes suggested...but again I have no exp with ff but MANY people here use it so maybe someone will address that here or u can research it within the site.

also when u r giving nutes, u should be first watering with plain water, I would say at least enough to cover ur top soil by maybe an inch. let that drain through & then add ur nute water. u never want to add nute water to dry soil without first watering with plain water. it can make for unequal distribution & cause problems with hot pockets, etc.

thexception said:

also when u r giving nutes, u should be first watering with plain water, I would say at least enough to cover ur top soil by maybe an inch. let that drain through & then add ur nute water. u never want to add nute water to dry soil without first watering with plain water. it can make for unequal distribution & cause problems with hot pockets, etc.

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humph... didn't know that. I give nutes every other watering so every 6-8 days. And I didn't know about the "don't water dry soil with nute water..." I just water, fill up the jug with plain water from the faucet, leave it open for a few days until I decide to water again, add nutes (if it's a nuting day), pH it, and then pour a half gallon per plant.

thexception said:

also when u r giving nutes, u should be first watering with plain water, I would say at least enough to cover ur top soil by maybe an inch. let that drain through & then add ur nute water. u never want to add nute water to dry soil without first watering with plain water. it can make for unequal distribution & cause problems with hot pockets, etc.

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I have never herd of this before

Originally Posted by thexception
also when u r giving nutes, u should be first watering with plain water, I would say at least enough to cover ur top soil by maybe an inch. let that drain through & then add ur nute water. u never want to add nute water to dry soil without first watering with plain water. it can make for unequal distribution & cause problems with hot pockets, etc.

Now that I think about it, how would it cause hot pockets if the nutes are already diluted?

okay, this is one of those things I have always done & always known is the proper way to fertilize ur plants. Not one of those things I could even immediately tell you "the reference" but I did pull up this webpage & the relevant part says:


Never fertilise a dry soil or dry Soilless medium. If the medium is dry, first water with about one-half quart of plain water per pot. Let the pots sit for about 15 minutes so that the water is evenly dispersed in the pot. Then fertilise as usual.

I know when u hear something that u never heard before u want some kind of base reference so u dont think, hey this guy is just talking out his ass, lol. so it seems a few people learned something new today & that is a GOOD day when u do. this might even be mentioned in one of the popular grow books, I own several of them, but I cant recall off hand.

okay, not hot pockets per say, like with dry soil & nutrients mixed in or pre-added, where a root can hit it, more of, think of it like this, u ever notice when u start watering the water tends to flow one way or another, not uniformly? well that is one of the reasons u want to water with plain first, to create that completely equal distribution from top down. once the soil is wet, it is easier for the nuted water to equally drain down. if u didnt do this u could unknowingly have more nutes going down one half ur pot then the other. plus, it is never a good idea to basically add nutrients to dry roots that are not moist, & equally ready to absorb the nutrient water in again a uniform manner & if the roots are too dry or thirsty they are going to suck up the first sign of water, and again they could take in too much too soon, rather then slowly drinking it up from the soil, little by little day by day. That is the best way I can describe & recall the reason as to why u shouldnt do that. Again, it's been awhile since I had to think about that, other then its just something u do not do (add nute water without pre-water).