Drooping leaves....bushmaster?

Hey gang, thOught I would run this by people and see what their expeince with bushmaster has been. It's my first time using it..kind of weird curling on some plants.

So I just started week 2 with 18 plants/ 4 varieties in ebb/flow-dwc buckets. I used bushmaster in the Rez at 1 ml/g for 5 days. There are about 5 plans that have droopy and curled leaves. Not curled like burnt, not drooping from the petioles like under watering. My temps are good. 83 high, 78 low. Nutes around 1000ppm. Pure blend bloom, cal mag, L karma, and humbolts pk booster..can't remember the name.

I came home from vacation and they were droopy, they started to look better. I applied liquid light last night and they looked worse this morning.

Is this a function of the bushmaster? Can't think of what is going on.


Acceptable temps

Lights not to close

Airstones working properly

No tip burn

Humidity at 60

???

huh. Nobody?

Did you use just Bushmaster's and water? I've never ran it for 5 days...just normally do 3 days and then a HEARTY flush. Bushmaster's has been banned (along with Phosphoload) in the state of California so I'm gonna miss them

Yeah, just plain water... well and a little sea kelp to assist in uptake. Bummer they got banned as they really do work fantastic. There was basically NO stretch, maybe 2-3 inches total and I am in week two and there are 1-2" flowers already!!

The problem worked itself out. I think it was a little too warm in there at night and they were drooping more than normal. Just installed an 18k BTU mini split so that will be the end of that nonsense.

its way better for the plants if u foiler feed the bushmashter wen not using a soil medium. Slump@That really is a bummer good thing i just got a full bottle of it but y is it illegal now my i ask?

probably labeling violations. Seems like everything gets pulled because of that. You can't buy superthrive in OR because of it.

yeah... let people eat taco bell and mcdonalds but don't let them put superthrive on their plants.

Oh yeah, BTW the BM in hydro worked great..no burning or anything. I didn't foliar because I was out of town. hows that for balllsy? Start a full course of Bm, then leave town for 5 days

For the record, it was a stressful drive home. Nearly knocked my wife over getting into the house to go check the plants.

Here is a pick exactly 10 days from the flip.
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Some pretty decent flower production @ 10 days!! @mrstoney - Labeling...it's always labeling in CA. They both contain Alar and were not labeled as such...probably not the best stuff to be using on plants...but man did they smash vertical growth in the face!

legallyflying said:

There are about 5 plans that have droopy and curled leaves. Not curled like burnt, not drooping from the petioles like under watering. ???

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i usually see the same thing. i use a really light dose for a much longer time, stuff is strong. also i think your supposed to raise the lights when you use it, gravity too.

slump said:

Did you use just Bushmaster's and water? I've never ran it for 5 days...just normally do 3 days and then a HEARTY flush. Bushmaster's has been banned (along with Phosphoload) in the state of California so I'm gonna miss them

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You are very high Bush Master has not been banned. I just saw it in the hydro shop. It's also in the sunlight supply catalog. The Bushmaster M4 A3 223 Assault Rifle was banned in California.

I would never use bushmaster or anything from humboldt county's own. the one batch i used it on was the worst batch i have ever done. i blame those nutes.

if you use bush master. only use it once. if you use it more than that you will screw yourself. Also don't use any other nutes at all when using it.

hyroot said:

You are very high Bush Master has not been banned. I just saw it in the hydro shop. It's also in the sunlight supply catalog. The Bushmaster M4 A3 223 Assault Rifle was banned in California.

I would never use bushmaster or anything from humboldt county's own. the one batch i used it on was the worst batch i have ever done. i blame those nutes.

if you use bush master. only use it once. if you use it more than that you will screw yourself. Also don't use any other nutes at all when using it.

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Wrong. Close family friend owns a hydro store from which I buy EVERYTHING that I use...I almost see him more than my wife. Bushmaster's, Phosphoload, Gravity, Flower Dragon, Top Load....all pulled off the shelves because of the PGR, Paclobutrazol Link Here and Alar - Link Here

But don't take my word for it - LINK

Grow Safe

slump said:

Wrong. Close family friend owns a hydro store from which I buy EVERYTHING that I use...I almost see him more than my wife. Bushmaster's, Phosphoload, Gravity, Flower Dragon, Top Load....all pulled off the shelves because of the PGR, Paclobutrazol Link Here and Alar - Link Here

But don't take my word for it - LINK

Grow Safe

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Damn! You've been served! Plus bushmaster works fucking awesome!!

every hydro shop in so cal still has it. that article only talked about flower dragon and superbud which aren't even from the same company. so you didn't prove anything. i talked to a couple of the owners of the biggest hydro shop chain in cali. they said they haven't heard anything like that. i have very good relationship with them. known them for years before they opened up.

got served really. legal its not 1997. no it sucks.

oh yeah, my hydro chains are bigger than your hydro chains! LOL

Is bushmaster the reason your profile photo looks like a rotten fish?

OK, OK! Let's not get angry.

"Author's note: Flower Dragon, Phosphoload and Top Load were all issued with notices of stop sale in California in May of 2011. All three products were found to contain Daminozide (AKA Alar). ALAR is BANNED FOR USE IN ANY CONSUMABLE CROP. In this article I mention Prohexadione as the suspect PGR. As it turned out, Flower Dragon was Superbud rebranded.Other products also banned in California and Oregon include Bushmaster and Gravity."

I mean it clearly does say Bushmaster and Gravity and it also says that Superbud was just rebranded as Flower Dragon.

LINKY

I mean...if you click the above link and just copy and paste the only red text on the page for me...that'd be great.

Grow Safe

this isnt true must be the user cuz it works fine so does snow ultra, but if your worried about it humbolt offers bushmaster and snow and gravity at a lower dose
and a bit safer its called crystal burst. @legal hey cut back the on the amount ive had this hapen once before, they due come out of it but it just dont
make your plants look the best. the on the bottle rec are no good. use a much lower dose

I have used 1 ml per gallon one watering in soil for a couple outdoor crops that have to stay below fence level... Truth be told I looked all over to see what the secret product was before using it and never would if I had known... But damn does that shit work with or without nutes it will smash vertical growth . But how it ligers in the plant???

It puts ligers in the plant!! Dude, you smoke that shit you'll be like Charlie sheen.

The plants are doing very well, just a little droopy. I turned down the fans and raised the light yesterday, they seem a little better today. I don't know about it sucking, it's one of the few products that does what it says it's going to do. Never seen flowers form so fast. I mean like 5 days there were flowers, not 1-2 pistols. Flowers

hyroot said:

every hydro shop in so cal still has it. that article only talked about flower dragon and superbud which aren't even from the same company. so you didn't prove anything. i talked to a couple of the owners of the biggest hydro shop chain in cali. they said they haven't heard anything like that. i have very good relationship with them. known them for years before they opened up.

got served really. legal its not 1997. no it sucks.

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New Material Added 17 Sep 2011 = Lab Test Results on Flower Dragon, Phosphoload, Top Load, Gravity and Bushmaster.
Author's note: Flower Dragon, Phosphoload and Top Load were all issued with notices of stop sale in California in May of 2011. All three products were found to contain Daminozide (AKA Alar). ALAR is BANNED FOR USE IN ANY CONSUMABLE CROP. In this article I mention Prohexadione as the suspect PGR. As it turned out Flower Dragon was Superbud rebranded.Other PGR based products also banned in California and Oregon include Bushmaster and Gravity. Bushmaster and Gravity were found to contain Paclobutrazol.

http://www.integralhydro.com/flowerdragon.html (Read full story here)


CDFA Lab Test Results in Brief
Flower Dragon: 18,400-18,650ppm Daminozide, 30-46.3ppm Paclobutrazol
Phosphoload: 17,800ppm Daminozide, 20.6ppm Paclobutrazol
TopLoad: 3,467ppm Daminozide
Bushmaster: 271ppm Paclobutrazol
Gravity: 516ppm Paclobutrazol
Argument over - BS exposed.

legallyflying said:

It puts ligers in the plant!! Dude, you smoke that shit you'll be like Charlie sheen.

The plants are doing very well, just a little droopy. I turned down the fans and raised the light yesterday, they seem a little better today. I don't know about it sucking, it's one of the few products that does what it says it's going to do. Never seen flowers form so fast. I mean like 5 days there were flowers, not 1-2 pistols. Flowers

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Have you ever read recommondations that you should always spray your plants with kelp extract for at least 2 weeks before treating, ,and then for another week after treatment? did you do that? I just bought some bush master, but I don't have any kelp extract, just wondering if you got away with it without the extract.
I'm going to try using it at 1/2ml per gallon at 1/2strength ppm for the first 2 weeks of 12/12 that should work nicely no?