Dr Greenthumbs G13

tip top toker

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And so if it were knowledge that you had had 5 infractions, all of which were reversed, it would therefore stand to reason not to believe anything you say, purely based on you being "nice" or not... teehee, let#s all be prejudice agaainst peple we know nothing about. VERY intelligent.. :lol:
 

bajafox

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The discussion has gotten away from the issue, with blame easily able to passed all over the place, but if anybody wants to know the essence of the thread, it's this:

Supporters

a) are growing Dr. Greenthumb's gear and are pretty pleased with it and take varying levels of offense at people questioning Greenthumb's reputation as a breeder
b) have heard or seen lots of good info on Dr. Greenthumb's gear and are ticked that somebody is "bashing him"
c) May or may not be paid word assasins for Greenthumb
d) Are Canadian

Questioners

a) are questioning the truthy-ness (thanks to Mr. Colbert) of certain Greenthumb strains
b) may or may not be paid word assasins for anti-Greenthumb parties
c) Are fledgling novel writers.
I agree completely, nothing but bickering with no value towards whether or not Dr. Greenthumbs G13 is real, there has been way more evidence of it being fake than real.

The verdict? Greenthumb's advertising is dubious. Greenthumb's strains are good.

You're welcome.
Didn't you just say the discussion has gotten away from the issue??? This has nothing to do with the discussion, it's all about whether or not his G13 is real. I'm sure his gear is good and anyone who doubts that can look up Dr. Grubers Sour Diesel smoke report but that's not why this thread was started.
 

Brick Top

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'fraid so, without his glasses and with the grecian formula (I think he thought it would help him get laid ?)
Sorry delusional frmrtroll, you were only partially correct. First, that of course was not me. Three of me would not be that fat, let alone that freaky. Second, there's no Grecian Formula in my home, and there never had been. My hair is still the same color it was when I was a kid, and it's natural, not dyed, and I have not lost any of it yet and it's about two thirds down my back, not short like in the picture of you that you are wrongly claiming is me. Where you were correct is the glasses thing. I did in the last year finally end up needing glasses, but only for reading.

Do you know what would be really great? If you and your gang of paid Dr. Greenthumb agents would stop trying to protect him and blow a smokescreen to hide that his G13 is fake by attempting to make this thread about me instead of Dr. Greenthumb's G13 being fake and let the thread get back on topic ..... that being how Dr. Greenthumb is selling fake G13 seeds.

You guys/girls are going all you can to obscure the evidence and the facts. You have totally swerved the thread from it's topic, of how yet once again Dr. Greenthumb is selling seeds that are fakes and calling them by a famous name into being all about me ... because the proof and evidence against Dr. Greenthumb added up to an insurmountable amount, something you and your gang of bought and paid for Dr. Greenthumb agents could not overcome. So the only tactic you and your gang of bought and paid for Dr. Greenthumb agents could do is to shift the topic from the truth to one of those telling the truth and then just troll him until the proof and evidence is so buried that anyone who now enters the thread for the first time will not see it and in hope that if they track back far enough to find it that you and your gang of bought and paid for Dr. Greenthumb agents will have lied enough to discredit me so the proof and the evidence is not believed.

What are you and your group of bought and paid for Dr. Greenthumb agents so frightened of about allowing the thread to get back on topic? Is it that if you guys/girls allow that to happen everyone will see Dr. Greenthumb for the fraudulent scam artist that he is and that Dr. Greenthumb will ask all for his payment to you guys/girls to be returned?

All of you either have something to lose personally or all of you are just proving over and over and over how you are some of the biggest trolls this site has ever suffered having. If not, you would stop attempting to me me the focus of the thread and instead allow it to return to it's topic of how Dr. Greenthumb is ripping people off by charging outrageous prices for his fake G13 seeds.
 

Brick Top

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Originally Posted by Brick Top
What was the great; "revelation," that in a message saying old timers figured out that Dr. Greenthumb's heritage line were fakes that because it was not a thread about Dr. Greenthumb pimping his fake G13, or any other fake strains, I did not go into detail and mention my experience with his fake Acapulco Gold?

Pointing at that and claiming it as proof I never purchased and grew Dr. Greenthumb's fake Acapulco Gold was a lie.
Yeah right. I believe you. You just "forgot" to mention your "first hand knowledge" in your post. What a liar!

That dog won't hunt son. You know damn well that unless someone is a total puppy and only had one or two grows they never mention in detail every experience they have had with every strain of every breeder in every message they write where a breeder's name is mentioned.

You and the rest or gang of bought and paid for Dr. Greenthumb agents are grasping at straws out of pure desperation. I posted enough evidence that if this were a court case Dr. Greenthumb would have already been convicted and begun serving his time. All you little clown shoe bought and paid for Dr. Greenthumb agents have done is claim it is real, posted pictures of other Dr. Greenthumb strains that thanks to him paying High Time magazine so much in advertising it bought him 'honorable mention' for a couple strains a few years ago, called me a dick and liked by claiming me to be a liar and posted a picture of one of yourselves or your lovers in a dress and lied and said it is me.

Why not stop attempting to make me the focus of the thread and allow it to get back on topic ... the topic of course being that the seeds Dr. Greenthumb is charging outlandishly high prices for and claiming to be the real true pure original G13 are fakes, just like the Acapulco Gold seeds he sold me were fakes.

Why do you fear allowing that to happen? What is is that you will lose? Will you have to repay Dr. Greentumb if you stop blowing your smokescreen or is it that you will just really miss the fun of trolling me?
 

tip top toker

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That is of course the trait of a losing debate team though. When they stop addressing the issues and start making personal attacks against the other side instead. It is a very very intelligent method of debate, works every time :lol:
 

tip top toker

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Yeah, how about them? The only reference you seem to be able to give me is for a website that is not operational :lol: and the only reference to serrated leaves states serrated leaves are a trait of exodus cheese. So how exactly is that a pice of proof to your claim.... :lol: The only time i find people debating like this is when it comes to religion because they know they've no proof. How is it so hard for you to show me some grow logs of this perfetly legitimate plant? Is it really that hard to do? I mean we've exodus cheese clone grow logs left right and center, more than you can count, so why would noone be bothering with the seeds. hmm
 

stonedmetalhead1

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Since when are seeded buds bigger than unseeded!? Wow I cannot believe how truly ignorant and stupid you really are Stonedmentalcase. Actually, Stonedmentalcase, it is just the opposite, seeded buds are in my experience much smaller than unseeded buds, so I see it as an honest enough representation and if Greenthumb really wanted to impress people he'd have used a shot of unseeded, fully mature buds; they'd be four or more times bigger than that. Again, wow, are you ever dumb. Maybe...just maybe Doc wanted to show the seeded buds that the actual seeds would come from. Anyway you are an ejit and there can be no argument. This is not a revelation. We've known you're a dummy for along time and this just prooves it. You have zero knowledge and should shut up.
Wow, I must have hit a nerve and I was talking about the swollen calyx's. Are you trying to say that the pic of C99 in High Times isn't seeded? I guarantee you it is.

He also mentions hes growing Dr Greenthumb seeds in one of his posts at thc bay.
Sub cool used his ortega indica to make his taco for his first strain "danny Boy"
What does that have to do with G13?

I think Ortega Is a Hardcore breeder, Id bet he meant he was still working with breeders or was just growing on a smaller scale?
He also mentions how he an others kept the G13 from Neville going all those years.
Nowhere did Dogless mention anything about the G13 before he tried to bail out Greenthumb.
 

OGMan

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That dog won't hunt son. You know damn well that unless someone is a total puppy and only had one or two grows they never mention in detail every experience they have had with every strain of every breeder in every message they write where a breeder's name is mentioned.

You and the rest or gang of bought and paid for Dr. Greenthumb agents are grasping at straws out of pure desperation. I posted enough evidence that if this were a court case Dr. Greenthumb would have already been convicted and begun serving his time. All you little clown shoe bought and paid for Dr. Greenthumb agents have done is claim it is real, posted pictures of other Dr. Greenthumb strains that thanks to him paying High Time magazine so much in advertising it bought him 'honorable mention' for a couple strains a few years ago, called me a dick and liked by claiming me to be a liar and posted a picture of one of yourselves or your lovers in a dress and lied and said it is me.

Why not stop attempting to make me the focus of the thread and allow it to get back on topic ... the topic of course being that the seeds Dr. Greenthumb is charging outlandishly high prices for and claiming to be the real true pure original G13 are fakes, just like the Acapulco Gold seeds he sold me were fakes.

Why do you fear allowing that to happen? What is is that you will lose? Will you have to repay Dr. Greentumb if you stop blowing your smokescreen or is it that you will just really miss the fun of trolling me


uh... you'd have been convicted of perjury and YOU are the troll. There is NO evidence that Greenthumb's G13 is a fake. ZERO. In fact ALL the grow journals and photos that are around of Doc's G13 look like the real deal. Like I and many others have said, everything I have grown from Greenthumb has been spot on as advertised, so I will give him the benefit of the doubt until it is PROVEN otherwise. Perhaps it would be a good idea to stfu and wait until Dr. Gruber and others are finished their grow and then make a comment. Your lies and misinformation add nothing to this thread and if fact do a great disservice to the community
 

Brick Top

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I've been growing for 40 years brick a measley 39,
You are correct ... 39 years of growing experience is WAY less than 40 years. The pity is that in your 40 years of growing you have learned less than I learned in my first 5 years of growing.

I'm VERY intelligent.
On that point you are correct ... which is totally out of character for you since normally you are always incorrect.


He has a finacial interest in a garden shop only.

No .. you have attempted to use that lie before, well a variation of it anyway. I am one of five owners of a pot-in-pot nursery that covers roughly 17 acres where we grow trees and bushes to sell wholesale. My four family members who are partners all have degrees in horticulture from NC State. I have read most of their college text books, I have gone to a number of continuing education short courses on horticulture with them, I have picked their brains for information over and over again, and in the case of my sister and brother in law going back to the mid 70's when they earned their degrees and in the cases of my niece and her husband, over the last few years since they earned their degrees. I have searched for, found, and in some cases had to pay, to read research studies on cannabis covering research into parts of it that you and most others here have never heard of let alone know anything about. Prior to the Internet I wore out library cards checking out books on horticulture and what few there were that were cannabis specific. Thanks to that I was growing sensimilla in 1973, to year prior to U.S. Government records show it turning up in the U.S.

That is hardly only having; "a financial interest in a garden shop," as your lie claimed too be the case.


I know about gardenig, grown everything from orchids to onions.
So you are into ornamentals, bravo. As for veggies, until the deer population became so large in my area to where you had to build a maximum security prison around your garden just to keep them out so you would have plants left to harvest I grew veggies too. So you know how to grow onions. WOW! How impressive! I don't know if it is difficult to grow onions in a country that only has two seasons, Winter and July, but down here they are as simple to grow as weeds, so saying you know how to grow onions is not exactly make you gardener of the year.


We are debating civily, just a little harmless joshing for levity thrown in

No, you and your bought and paid for guys/girls are doing your utmost to blow a smokescreen by making this thread all about me, and lying your butts off too do it, to obscure the fact that Dr. Greenthumb is scamming people by selling a strain that is not the real true pure original G13 and claiming it is the real true pure original G13, while charging outrageous prices for it in the process.


Maybe if you read some his other comments like say Tafbangs ceiling light grow you'd see he's not capable of being "nice"

I am nice to anyone and everyone who is nice to me, which is something you cannot in all honesty say. I provided tafbang with all the information he needed for a successful grow and his reply was to claim he knew more about growing than I do, even though he admitted it was his first grow, and called my messages; "faggotry" and various other unkind things. Had he done half of what he did to me to you, you would troll him until your dying breath.


The guys been suspended 5 times already for NOT being nice.
Yet once again you have resorted to a flat out total lie. I have not; "been suspended 5 times already for NOT being nice." You tried another variation of that lie, that blew up in your face, when you lied and claimed I had been given "24 suspensions." Later you attempted to claim you said a 24 hour suspension but I went back and quoted your original message and the word; "hours" was used and the word; "suspensions," the plural form, as in multiple, was clearly used by you.

What I was given was 5 infractions, NOT suspensions, INFRACTIONS, all of which were reversed, each and every single one of them.

You do realize that the more you LIE about me in hopes of discrediting me and the evidence and proof I have presented about how Dr. Greenthumbs G13 is a fake, that it is not the real true pure original G13 he claims it to be the less credible you appear when you say anything positive about Dr. Greenthumb.

It is more than obvious to everyone reading this thread that since you will LIE about me in a split second in hopes of discrediting me that you will obviously lie about Dr. Greenthumb in a split second in hope of protecting him.

I have mentioned it in this thread before that due to your LIES your credibility rating in this thread and on this topic, heck, on this entire site, is in negative numbers ... but with each and every additional LIE you heap on top of all the rest your credibility rating numbers plunge deeper and deeper into negative numbers. You have repeatedly proven yourself to be a LIAR, to the point where I have to wonder if you are a PATHOLOGICAL LIAR, and anyone who has read your multitude of lies could only wonder the very same thing about you.
 

OGMan

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Wow, I must have hit a nerve and I was talking about the swollen calyx's. Are you trying to say that the pic of C99 in High Times isn't seeded? I guarantee you it is.



What does that have to do with G13?

Nowhere did Dogless mention anything about the G13 before he tried to bail out Greenthumb.
Jim Ortega AKA Dogless has more connections, is better known, more knowledgeable and respected in the Cannabis community than you could ever hope to be. You should show some respect punk.
 

Angry Pollock

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Yeah, how about them? The only reference you seem to be able to give me is for a website that is not operational :lol: and the only reference to serrated leaves states serrated leaves are a trait of exodus cheese. So how exactly is that a pice of proof to your claim.... :lol: The only time i find people debating like this is when it comes to religion because they know they've no proof. How is it so hard for you to show me some grow logs of this perfetly legitimate plant? Is it really that hard to do? I mean we've exodus cheese clone grow logs left right and center, more than you can count, so why would noone be bothering with the seeds. hmm
oh, it's operational, i just looked at it :lol: ,lmao, you are the one that brought up 'serrated leaves' as a telltale sign of ex cheese:lol:lmao:lol:
 

tip top toker

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doesn't seem like it to me lol, care to share some screeenshots or is this going to be an "well i've seen the evidence, if you can't that's your bad" type of proof :lol: i did indeed bring up serrated leaves, and you did indeed fail to provide any proof whatsoever. I'd just love to see you try and defend yourself in court hahahahaha. Googles utter and complete inability to find me anything beneficial relating the his cheese is just a kind of a giveaway.
 

WoodyHaze

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doesn't seem like it to me lol, care to share some screeenshots or is this going to be an "well i've seen the evidence, if you can't that's your bad" type of proof :lol: i did indeed bring up serrated leaves, and you did indeed fail to provide any proof whatsoever. I'd just love to see you try and defend yourself in court hahahahaha.
Well that's odd, i just went there too! me thinks you need a new computer:shock: ahhhahhhahhha
 

Brick Top

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uh... you'd have been convicted of perjury and YOU are the troll. There is NO evidence that Greenthumb's G13 is a fake. ZERO. In fact ALL the grow journals and photos that are around of Doc's G13 look like the real deal. Like I and many others have said, everything I have grown from Greenthumb has been spot on as advertised, so I will give him the benefit of the doubt until it is PROVEN otherwise. Perhaps it would be a good idea to stfu and wait until Dr. Gruber and others are finished their grow and then make a comment. Your lies and misinformation add nothing to this thread and if fact do a great disservice to the community

I, and others, have posted a Mt. Everest sized amount of evidence showing that Dr. Greenthumb is scamming people with his fake G13.

And regardless of how Dr. Gruber's crop turns out it will be absolutely no proof whatsoever of what the strain actually is. You seem to want and need to believe that if he has big strong sturdy well producing plants with a kick-ass buzz that will be proof that Dr. Greenthumb's fake G13 is not fake. The most it would prove is that Dr. Greenthumb created a good strain. That's all. At best, at the most that is all the proof that could come from Dr. Gruber's grow.

As for what you are misrepresenting as being lies told by me, well then you are clearly calling Shantibaba and Nevil and DoubleD and others liars since it was their words, actual messages and posted email exchanges that I copied and pasted.

Are you attempting to claim that you and the rest of your bought and paid for gang of guys/girls, and Dr. Gruber, know more about the real true pure original G13 than people like Shantibaba and Nevil and DoubleD know about it?

How do you explain Dr. Greenthumb being caught in a lie about where his fake G13 came from and then the ever evolving story about it that has come from him since? How can you explain his description of his fake G13, and how I believe Dr. Gruber, though I may be wrong about that part, and how others have have described their plants being as opposite as night and day from the known to be accurate original description of the real true pure original G13?

This same exchange is occurring on almost every growing site, if not on every growing site, right now and on every one of them that I am a member of or lurk at, including this one, the evidence is overwhelming that Dr. Greenthumb's G13 is fake and most people know and say it is a fake.

That is the reality of the situation .... but then you and your group of bought and paid for Dr. Greenthumb agents will never allow reality to interfere with the false reality all of you are desperately attempting to create, but utterly and miserably failing to accomplish regardless of how many lies all of you tell and regardless of how desperately you attempt to discredit anyone who is telling the truth .... the truth you hate and so very, very much wish were not the truth.
 

Angry Pollock

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I, and others, have posted a Mt. Everest sized amount of evidence showing that Dr. Greenthumb is scamming people with his fake G13.

And regardless of how Dr. Gruber's crop turns out it will be absolutely no proof whatsoever of what the strain actually is. You seem to want and need to believe that if he has big strong sturdy well producing plants with a kick-ass buzz that will be proof that Dr. Greenthumb's fake G13 is not fake. The most it would prove is that Dr. Greenthumb created a good strain. That's all. At best, at the most that is all the proof that could come from Dr. Gruber's grow.

As for what you are misrepresenting as being lies told by me, well then you are clearly calling Shantibaba and Nevil and DoubleD and others liars since it was their words, actual messages and posted email exchanges that I copied and pasted.

Are you attempting to claim that you and the rest of your bought and paid for gang of guys/girls, and Dr. Gruber, know more about the real true pure original G13 than people like Shantibaba and Nevil and DoubleD know about it?

How do you explain Dr. Greenthumb being caught in a lie about where his fake G13 came from and then the ever evolving story about it that has come from him since? How can you explain his description of his fake G13, and how I believe Dr. Gruber, though I may be wrong about that part, and how others have have described their plants being as opposite as night and day from the known to be accurate original description of the real true pure original G13?

This same exchange is occurring on almost every growing site, if not on every growing site, right now and on every one of them that I am a member of or lurk at, including this one, the evidence is overwhelming that Dr. Greenthumb's G13 is fake and most people know and say it is a fake.

That is the reality of the situation .... but then you and your group of bought and paid for Dr. Greenthumb agents will never allow reality to interfere with the false reality all of you are desperately attempting to create, but utterly and miserably failing to accomplish regardless of how many lies all of you tell and regardless of how desperately you attempt to discredit anyone who is telling the truth .... the truth you hate and so very, very much wish were not the truth.
come on man , you were WAY funnier yesterday
 

OGMan

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I, and others, have posted a Mt. Everest sized amount of evidence showing that Dr. Greenthumb is scamming people with his fake G13.

And regardless of how Dr. Gruber's crop turns out it will be absolutely no proof whatsoever of what the strain actually is. You seem to want and need to believe that if he has big strong sturdy well producing plants with a kick-ass buzz that will be proof that Dr. Greenthumb's fake G13 is not fake. The most it would prove is that Dr. Greenthumb created a good strain. That's all. At best, at the most that is all the proof that could come from Dr. Gruber's grow.

As for what you are misrepresenting as being lies told by me, well then you are clearly calling Shantibaba and Nevil and DoubleD and others liars since it was their words, actual messages and posted email exchanges that I copied and pasted.

Are you attempting to claim that you and the rest of your bought and paid for gang of guys/girls, and Dr. Gruber, know more about the real true pure original G13 than people like Shantibaba and Nevil and DoubleD know about it?

How do you explain Dr. Greenthumb being caught in a lie about where his fake G13 came from and then the ever evolving story about it that has come from him since? How can you explain his description of his fake G13, and how I believe Dr. Gruber, though I may be wrong about that part, and how others have have described their plants being as opposite as night and day from the known to be accurate original description of the real true pure original G13?

This same exchange is occurring on almost every growing site, if not on every growing site, right now and on every one of them that I am a member of or lurk at, including this one, the evidence is overwhelming that Dr. Greenthumb's G13 is fake and most people know and say it is a fake.

That is the reality of the situation .... but then you and your group of bought and paid for Dr. Greenthumb agents will never allow reality to interfere with the false reality all of you are desperately attempting to create, but utterly and miserably failing to accomplish regardless of how many lies all of you tell and regardless of how desperately you attempt to discredit anyone who is telling the truth .... the truth you hate and so very, very much wish were not the truth.
You're still a liar and DD is the biggest scam artist, ripp off and bottom feeder around and you KNOW that. Actually, the REAL oldtimers and people with more cred than you will ever have, say it is probably the real deal but that we shall ALL see in the fullness of time. You just shoot your mouth off to make yourself feel like you have a life.
 

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