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DIY-HP-LED

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Some one with a criminal record can run for president and you can even run for POTUS from prison. It looks like you might have the chance to see it happen, Donald will run from prison, he'll have the GOP nomination in the bag from his cell!

Don't think he'll try after climbing the walls of his cell for a spell? :lol:
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Can You Run for President in Prison? - Prison Insight

Can You Run for President in Prison?
While the debate rages on in America about free and fair elections – and which candidate actually won the Presidential election – it got me thinking about prison inmates and felons in relation to the electoral process.
It’s no secret that when you go to prison, you give up some of your rights. There is no 4th amendment right to privacy or the 2nd amendment right to bear arms. Unless you are in prison in Maine or Vermont, you also give up your right to vote.

I was in prison from 2013 to 2017, so I wasn’t able to vote in the 2016 presidential election. Luckily, I got off parole in early 2020, so I had enough time to get my voting rights back for the 2020 contest.

While I re-registered to vote, I found out that in my home state of Missouri, I could no longer run for any political office in the state. I lost that privilege the moment I became a felon. But, what about running for president? Do felons lose that privilege too? This leads us to today’s blog topic: Can you run for president in prison?
In this blog post I will cover the following topics:
  • Yes, prison inmates can run for president
  • Is incarceration legally considered impairment?
  • Two incarcerated men have run for president in US history
Yes, prison inmates can run for president
Believe it or not, a prison inmate can run for president. The US Constitution lays out the requirements to run for the office.
  • 35 years of age or older;
  • A natural born citizen of the United States (or a citizen of one of the United States at the time of the adoption of the Constitution); and,
  • Fourteen years a resident of the United States
Nowhere in the Constitution does it specify that a presidential candidate must not be a prisoner or needs to be eligible and registered to vote.

Is incarceration legally considered impairment?
The question as to whether the incarceration of the President amounts to an “impairment” that prevents the President from performing the duties of the office has obviously never been adjudicated. This means that if a prison inmate was actually elected President, it isn’t clear if he or she would be allowed to hold the office.

I should note that the Vice President does not become acting President when the President is “impaired.” Instead, one of the two processes in the Twenty-Fifth Amendment must happen.

The President must voluntarily step aside to allow the Vice President to be acting President, or the Vice President must submit to Congress the declaration required by Amendment XXV, Section 4 to force the President to step aside.
If there is a dispute, Section 4 places the decision as to whether the President is “impaired” in the hands of Congress, requiring a two-thirds vote of both houses.

If a presidential candidate wins an election and is in the custody of the federal Bureau of Prisons, then they could order their own release. This is because the BOP is an executive agency that reports to the President.

However, if the winning candidate is in the custody of a state’s department of corrections, there is no clear mechanism that would guarantee their release. The President doesn’t have the authority to pardon anyone convicted of committing a state crime.

I must also point out that a Member of Congress who is incarcerated is arguably entitled to be released from incarceration in order to attend Congress while it is in session. This is thanks to the legislative immunity clause in Article I Section 6 of the US Constitution, but there is no similar provision for the President.

Two incarcerated men have run for President in US history.

In 1920, labor leader Eugene V. Debs was serving a ten-year sentence in an Atlanta penitentiary when he lost the Presidential election. Two years earlier, he had spoken out against American’s involvement in World War I, and he was eventually convicted of violating the Espionage Act of 1917. The prosecution argued that Debs’ anti-war speech obstructed military enrollment.

Debs had previously run for President four times. His fifth and final campaign featured a campaign button that encouraged people to vote “for President Convict No. 9653.” Debs earned nearly one million votes in the 1920 election. And the man who beat him – Warren G. Harding – commuted Debs’ sentence in December 1921.

In 1992, Lyndon LaRouche became the second person in American history to run for president from a prison cell. His running mate – American Civil Rights Movement leader, Reverend James Bevel – did the active campaigning. And, classical violinist Norbert Brainin performed a benefit concert on LaRouche’s behalf in Washington DC.
 

hanimmal

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Some one with a criminal record can run for president and you can even run for POTUS from prison. It looks like you might have the chance to see it happen, Donald will run from prison, he'll have the GOP nomination in the bag from his cell!

Don't think he'll try after climbing the walls of his cell for a spell? :lol:
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Can You Run for President in Prison? - Prison Insight

Can You Run for President in Prison?
While the debate rages on in America about free and fair elections – and which candidate actually won the Presidential election – it got me thinking about prison inmates and felons in relation to the electoral process.
It’s no secret that when you go to prison, you give up some of your rights. There is no 4th amendment right to privacy or the 2nd amendment right to bear arms. Unless you are in prison in Maine or Vermont, you also give up your right to vote.

I was in prison from 2013 to 2017, so I wasn’t able to vote in the 2016 presidential election. Luckily, I got off parole in early 2020, so I had enough time to get my voting rights back for the 2020 contest.

While I re-registered to vote, I found out that in my home state of Missouri, I could no longer run for any political office in the state. I lost that privilege the moment I became a felon. But, what about running for president? Do felons lose that privilege too? This leads us to today’s blog topic: Can you run for president in prison?
In this blog post I will cover the following topics:
  • Yes, prison inmates can run for president
  • Is incarceration legally considered impairment?
  • Two incarcerated men have run for president in US history
Yes, prison inmates can run for president
Believe it or not, a prison inmate can run for president. The US Constitution lays out the requirements to run for the office.
  • 35 years of age or older;
  • A natural born citizen of the United States (or a citizen of one of the United States at the time of the adoption of the Constitution); and,
  • Fourteen years a resident of the United States
Nowhere in the Constitution does it specify that a presidential candidate must not be a prisoner or needs to be eligible and registered to vote.

Is incarceration legally considered impairment?
The question as to whether the incarceration of the President amounts to an “impairment” that prevents the President from performing the duties of the office has obviously never been adjudicated. This means that if a prison inmate was actually elected President, it isn’t clear if he or she would be allowed to hold the office.

I should note that the Vice President does not become acting President when the President is “impaired.” Instead, one of the two processes in the Twenty-Fifth Amendment must happen.

The President must voluntarily step aside to allow the Vice President to be acting President, or the Vice President must submit to Congress the declaration required by Amendment XXV, Section 4 to force the President to step aside.
If there is a dispute, Section 4 places the decision as to whether the President is “impaired” in the hands of Congress, requiring a two-thirds vote of both houses.

If a presidential candidate wins an election and is in the custody of the federal Bureau of Prisons, then they could order their own release. This is because the BOP is an executive agency that reports to the President.

However, if the winning candidate is in the custody of a state’s department of corrections, there is no clear mechanism that would guarantee their release. The President doesn’t have the authority to pardon anyone convicted of committing a state crime.

I must also point out that a Member of Congress who is incarcerated is arguably entitled to be released from incarceration in order to attend Congress while it is in session. This is thanks to the legislative immunity clause in Article I Section 6 of the US Constitution, but there is no similar provision for the President.

Two incarcerated men have run for President in US history.

In 1920, labor leader Eugene V. Debs was serving a ten-year sentence in an Atlanta penitentiary when he lost the Presidential election. Two years earlier, he had spoken out against American’s involvement in World War I, and he was eventually convicted of violating the Espionage Act of 1917. The prosecution argued that Debs’ anti-war speech obstructed military enrollment.

Debs had previously run for President four times. His fifth and final campaign featured a campaign button that encouraged people to vote “for President Convict No. 9653.” Debs earned nearly one million votes in the 1920 election. And the man who beat him – Warren G. Harding – commuted Debs’ sentence in December 1921.

In 1992, Lyndon LaRouche became the second person in American history to run for president from a prison cell. His running mate – American Civil Rights Movement leader, Reverend James Bevel – did the active campaigning. And, classical violinist Norbert Brainin performed a benefit concert on LaRouche’s behalf in Washington DC.
If he runs again, Biden will just have to beat him again, and far more easily since Trump will not have a federal goon squad to line up against peaceful protestors that are being used by cover from his legion of domestic terrorists to scare the public.

I really hope Americans send the Republicans a message though in 2022 and the Democrats can run a full field of candidates against a Republican field in 2024 that doesn't include the usual suspects like Cruz/Paul/Trump/etc.
 

rkymtnman

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CunningCanuk

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It would be great watching the trumps throw each other under the bus. Kinda like musical chairs except the last one to sing loses.

I despise the larvae as much as the father.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Allen (the weasel) Weisselberg will roll over on Donald, it will be rat fest 2021 when the indictments start dropping. When they make a squeal deal the feds hold all the cards and they are required to tell of any other crimes they have knowledge of or participated in etc. Once these fuckers start stabbing each other in the back and cutting throats it will be a prosecutors wet dream.
 

rkymtnman

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Allen (the weasel) Weisselberg will roll over on Donald, it will be rat fest 2021 when the indictments start dropping. When they make a squeal deal the feds hold all the cards and they are required to tell of any other crimes they have knowledge of or participated in etc. Once these fuckers start stabbing each other in the back and cutting throats it will be a prosecutors wet dream.
yep, weisselberg popped up during the mueller probe and i haven't heard much about him since. but i think he's like 80 and he's not gonna do hard time for dotard.
 

topcat

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Weaselberg has finally reached the news again.
He'll sing like a rat.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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It looks like NY state is gonna lead the way on indicting Donald and company, but all the evidence they gather will be turned over to the feds eventually and they will refer any federal crimes they find, this will lead to new investigations, grand juries and subpoenas for yet more information.

The statue of limitations for tax crimes is quite long and dates from the last time ya screwed the government and goes back from there a long long time, if the tax violations were continuous over the years.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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If he runs again, Biden will just have to beat him again, and far more easily since Trump will not have a federal goon squad to line up against peaceful protestors that are being used by cover from his legion of domestic terrorists to scare the public.

I really hope Americans send the Republicans a message though in 2022 and the Democrats can run a full field of candidates against a Republican field in 2024 that doesn't include the usual suspects like Cruz/Paul/Trump/etc.
If Biden performs (so far excellent), they get a handle on disinformation, bust Trump for crimes and pass HR-1 it should be a slaughter, it should have been a slaughter of the elephants in 2020 though. With the slate of candidates a Trumpified republican party will vomit up in 2022, there might be some hope, but racism and bigotry run deep in America. I think it would be wise to keep Donald off the ballot, even if he is in prison, use the 14th amendment after he is convicted or impeach the fucker again. Disclosing his taxes won't be enough, we will have seen them by then anyway. Without Donald on the ballot and in prison a lot of his racist base won't even bother to vote.
 

topcat

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For Individual 1 to contemplate. Wait, that's too many syllables. To think of. That's simpler, more his style.


Edit; life is good, again.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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this is how i want to see trump and family leave the US.


the pic is worth a 1000 words. lol.
They could be entering NK that way, cause it's about the only place on earth Uncle Sam can't reach out and touch them. Vlad is expecting a shit storm and might "retire" early, looking to pull the strings from behind the scenes, the last thing he needs is Donald and clan on his doorstep. BTW I've noticed Donald and family haven't done much foreign travel lately, I wonder why?
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Ya know what would be nice? To see the FBI bust and purp walk Donald off the stage mid lie at the CPAC convention! Talk about a shit storm! :lol:
 

printer

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They could be entering NK that way, cause it's about the only place on earth Uncle Sam can't reach out and touch them. Vlad is expecting a shit storm and might "retire" early, looking to pull the strings from behind the scenes, the last thing he needs is Donald and clan on his doorstep. BTW I've noticed Donald and family haven't done much foreign travel lately, I wonder why?
Russia taking him might be an option. Great for publicity, an ex-president now living in Russia.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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What the Manhattan DA May Be Looking for in Trump's Tax Returns | Zerlina

Bloomberg Opinion's Tim O'Brien joins Zerlina Maxwell to discuss what the release of Trump's tax returns could mean for the former president, and the likelihood of the ex-President getting put behind bars.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I'm afraid I have to disagree with Michael, Donald is stupid, he lacks "operational intelligence" and is developmentally truncated in certain key areas. Donald is smart enough to be dangerous though and if he had a brain he'd be a lot more of a threat, he'd still be POTUS FFS.
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Michael Cohen: The Former President “Actually Thinks He’s Like a God. Like a Pagan God.”

Donald Trump’s former “fixer” and personal attorney, Michael Cohen, joins Ali Velshi to discuss the legal trouble Trump the citizen might be in, and the continuing delusions of his former boss. “He’s not stupid. He may be crazy, but he’s not stupid.”
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Five elected investigators are turning their attention to Trump

Former President Donald Trump is facing mounting legal trouble from five separate investigations in New York, Georgia and Washington DC.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Oh, oh, subpoenas are coming in Georgia! It has begun...
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Citizen Trump In Trouble? Criminal Probe Moves To Grand Jury

A criminal probe of Trump is heading to a grand jury in Georgia this week. The Fulton County District Attorney is seeking subpoenas for witnesses and documents in the investigation into whether Trump and his associates committed election fraud. MSNBC’s Ari Melber is joined by NYU law professor Melissa Murray to break down the crimes the DA is investigating, including solicitation of election fraud and conspiracy.
 
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