Doing Things Right, Getting Low Yields?

Uncle Ben said:

From what I'm gathering, no one in this thread has a clue about plant nutrition.

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Maybe you could share some since you where here. Because pointing the finger sayin no one knows shit really doesnt help much. Uncle Ben I have learned alot from you about reading your plants over the years, but i think you are getting bitter in your old age.

Unnk said:

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to give you a referance veged about 2 months with 2 600 watt mh's about 6 weeks into flower and no co2 supplemented just a 1000 watt hps on a light mover

4 plants in there

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In response to both of your replys, The height of the light never really crossed my mind (st00pid), Im going to be lowering that shortly per your advice, thanks. Your little buggers are looking lush man! So to clarify you had 4 plants under 2x600 watt mh's (1200w total), then moved them under a mobile 1000w HPS?

some quick ?'s for ya:
How tall are those plants right now? strain?
Whats your average yeild?
Hydro or soil?

Thanks in advance for any responses Unnk and others

Dirtfree said:

Maybe you could share some since you where here. Because pointing the finger sayin no one knows shit really doesnt help much. Uncle Ben I have learned alot from you about reading your plants over the years, but i think you are getting bitter in your old age.

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I read the thread you suggested uncl ben, Thanks for that!

Wetdog said:

You need 100% pitch black. Pretty damn dark doesn't cut it. Fix that and your ventilation first.

Wet

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Roger that. The responses I have received have convinced me im actually NOT doing things as well as I thought. This has made me re-evaluate my whole setup, and decide to re-vamp as soon as I cut these ladies (about 4-5 weeks), so im not pulling a weight vest. That will include making my own false door for ventilation, lowering lights, picking up a more reliable ph reader, re-doing my feeding schedule start to end (nutes almost gone anyway), and educating myself on general plant health, stages, and functions of the plant.

Any suggestions on feeding schedules or nute lines? Gotta be organic, and im trying to give as little as possible to these guys to let them do their thing as they have for thousands of years, the quality I most want my product to have is the complete "natural, pure" feeling you get when you medicate, as opposed to a high from the dankest OG grown hydro with all the extra nutes. Dont get me wrong now, I love that "steroid" product as I liek to call it, but to me theres nothing that compares to that "natural" almost "spiritual" aspect of medicating with something nature intended us to use in its *almost* natural state. Sshort rant, but if you can dig what im saying and know how to get those results please just shoot some advice my way. I appreicate it and check back often!

yep subs super soil i mixed and let sit for 40 days 7 1/2 gal pots those are Dina fem blue hash wich usually yield me 3-5 o's doing this

Yes 1200 w of mh then 1000w of mobile hps becuase i have a 5 week cycle that 1000 on the mover covers a 4 by 8
one 4 x 4 for each cycle

as well ith the SS i just do straight water from veg to harvest besides acouple sucanat feedings

this thing is a monster its a Hash Plant Haze under same conditions with alot of training the top of the plant is under the rim of the container hard to really conceive the shape of this plant as its main branches are stuffed wiht side branches like the second pic

Unnk said:

yep subs super soil i mixed and let sit for 40 days 7 1/2 gal pots those are Dina fem blue hash wich usually yield me 3-5 o's doing this

Yes 1200 w of mh then 1000w of mobile hps becuase i have a 5 week cycle that 1000 on the mover covers a 4 by 8
one 4 x 4 for each cycle

as well ith the SS i just do straight water from veg to harvest besides acouple sucanat feedings

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Hmmm peculiar haha I always wanted to say that. That super soil looks like some gnar-gnar shit, I wanna give that a shot in my re-vamp. With the SS since there is so much good stuff in it you just go straight water? thats a cool concept, and natural like I babbled about previously.

FYI compared to your 3-5 per plant, I was pulling right around 1 per plant :X. If I can get my shit square I can cut down on number of plants to grow, because im growing for myself and only need enough to get me through to the next harvest. Im not looking for tons of buds here. Safe to say I live my life in the fast lane harvest to harvest hah.

These 2 strains of hashplant you have, did they come from seed? Im going to look into those. Hows the smoke, ive never even tried any strain involving the words "hash plant"? TRied tons of Og's and Kush though being from LA, I gotta see whats up with these hash plants. Tell me a little more if you can...Pm's work if you dont wanna get into too much detail on this board

Uncle Ben said:

From what I'm gathering, no one in this thread has a clue about plant nutrition.

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I used to look up to and respect this man. Sad.
What happened, why so hostile?
You are now simply a troll.

Talk about dropping in status.

bigger pots 3 gallons wud do nice

Dirtfree said:

Maybe you could share some since you where here. Because pointing the finger sayin no one knows shit really doesnt help much. Uncle Ben I have learned alot from you about reading your plants over the years, but i think you are getting bitter in your old age.

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There was a mention of about 4 snake oil products with a total disregard or understanding of what's in them. That's what noobs fall for (labels, cute names), that's what vendors promote - dependency.

UB

rrmcmaho said:

.....with the suggested amt Botanicare Grow, and some Botanicare liquid karma. ........As far as nutes during flower Ill make a schedule which uses a combination Botanicare Bloom, hydroplex, snowstorm, and gravity (last 3 waterings before flush. To be honest I dont know the ppm, .....

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Might wanna tho in a tad of Eye of Newt.....

I was going to mention the light being too far away but you know that already.

I´m all for going the cheap and good route vs. the hyped expensive stuff. Got any recommendations for hydro UB, a link or something for nutes ¿

read up on your soil food web people

krok said:

I used to look up to and respect this man. Sad.
What happened, why so hostile?
You are now simply a troll.

Talk about dropping in status.

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LOL....

If you've had 2 runs with unsuccesful yeilds I'd go for different genetics. It also appears you jammed too many plants in there, I'd run a trellis at this point and lst them, get that light right on top of them, make sure theres no light leaks and try again.

Mellowman2112 said:

I was going to mention the light being too far away but you know that already.

I´m all for going the cheap and good route vs. the hyped expensive stuff. Got any recommendations for hydro UB, a link or something for nutes ¿

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Let's start with the basics - what plant material have you grown before giving a go with pot?

Hydro will not guarantee you success, neither will organic nutes. Only your understanding of what makes a plant tick. If you need fast and easy answers, you'll fail.

Organic nutes are usually overpriced and if you're into the green thingie, think twice. If your organic stuff didn't contain chemicals, it wouldn't provide any nutrition, which like I said comes in the form of chemicals aka salts.

Dyna-Gro is a high quality, complete and reasonably priced food.

...and for the record, I'm not interested in status or reputation. That's kid's stuff.

UB

for all the lazy people that wont use google lol

Tahmi.Guhnn

LOVE the quote man!!!lol

Uncle Ben said:

Dyna-Gro is a high quality, complete and reasonably priced food.

UB

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Marketing and ad's in High Times and the like and the various fan boys on sites like this have done an outstanding job.

Whenever I mention something like Dyna-Gro, or Jack's Classic, or even something as simple/cheap and effective as Dolomite Lime, it is ignored or scoffed at, simply because it is simple, cheap and effective.

Seems like if there isn't a cute name, a fancy label and a big price tag it just can't possibly be any good for growing anything.

Guess I was lucky to have started growing 'stuff' before there was an internet. Orchids and ferns first, mj came later.

Wet

i dont care what setup you have if you dont control the ph and ppm you will be disappointed.

I will concur that that light is too far away and the door needs to be closed during the dark cycle and that will help to increase his yield. as far as nutes go, different strokes for different folks.