Doc's Dank Seeds

Southerner

Southerner

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Dr.D81 said:
All right now back to fem vs reg debate which was not what i was after but guess that is about like asking about defoliating. We'll next break I will put my two cents in
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Honestly, I think you should do the fem thing. There aren't a whole lot of US based fem breeders and it seems the few there are have no problem getting rid of stock. Fem seeds definitely have a place in growing and I see that space increasing. Not everyone has the room to grow out 10 plants and have half of em be males. Newer growers can be intimidated about the idea of sexing as well, even though its pretty simple(with experience). Also, as more states jump on legal there will be more people setting up small grows, where plant count can be a liability. For what its worth fem seeds are better for the environment in terms of indoor growing as well; a lot of resource waste goes into growing males that end up chopped up in the compost if you arent interested in breeding.
 
chronicals77

chronicals77

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Dr.D81 said:
Well first @chronicals77 so like I said I made the call on the last couple packs and they where the grey type. I get a lot more of those with the fems it seems and there has to be a cut off some where. Now after the cut off I tested germ in the no goes and had a great germ so I stand behind they will be fine. I am not complaining ether but grey is not white and back off the flash a bit and I bet they don't look so bad. I will definitely like to know what happens though as I real don't want to ever seem as though the all mighty dollar is all I am after.
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I dont have a flash on my Samsung Illusion. That was taken in regular living room lighting. Anyway, a response is what I was looking for as it seemed maybe you were ignoring the issue. Just because I only bought one pack to see what the product was like doesnt mean I wont buy many packs later of a strain I like. You asked for feedback and all feedback should be considered.

Now that you mention grey seeds, these do look more grey than white but still have no other color to them. I have seen solid colored beans before but they were all black pure sativa landrace beans. As long as you understand that I cannot pop them for 3 months and still stand behind your product and your word thats all I care about. When it comes down to it, how big of a deal is it to replace 4 seeds really? You probably have that many stuck between the treads of your shoes.

I only brought it here because these thing are being discussed here, you asked for feedback, and you havent responded to my email.
 
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oldman60

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I won't even complain when a few bean don't pop, it's normal. I wish I could get
100% germination but it doesn't happen hell if every pip germed we'd be overrun
with weed ok,ok not a bad thing but here's my point I never expect 100% germ
ever and I pop about 25 seeds at a rip then cull.
On to fems vs reg: FEMS but you know me by now lol.

:peace:
 
chronicals77

chronicals77

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oldman60 said:
I won't even complain when a few bean don't pop, it's normal. I wish I could get
100% germination but it doesn't happen hell if every pip germed we'd be overrun
with weed ok,ok not a bad thing but here's my point I never expect 100% germ
ever and I pop about 25 seeds at a rip then cull.
On to fems vs reg: FEMS but you know me by now lol.

:peace:
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Considering what seeds cost YOU should atleast expect each and every seed to be a quality seed. Sometimes even the best of seeds won't germ but only the best quality seeds should be packaged and that's just something that comes with breeding and selling seeds. I personally dont think its fair that bank put 100% of the responsibility on the breeders. It should be a joint partnership. "joint, funny" The breeder IS 100% responsible for what goes into a package but the bank is profiting by selling those seeds. Think about it, $10-$15 per seed. That's not cheap by any sense of the word BUT quality seeds are worth it. The people that shrug off subpar beans have more money than I do.

On topic, I am a feminised fan. I will grow regs but I will choose fems everytime if they are available just for the convenience. Regs are stronger and more stable but require more time, more materials, and disposal if you dont breed. Its really a no brainer, any good business person fills the demand. Fems are the majority. Once nationwide legalization is reality seeds will be a thing of the past except for preservation and clones will be packaged and shipped nation wide.
 
chronicals77

chronicals77

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BobBitchen said:
Some of Doc's dank..
Soaked Monday
Paper towel Tuesday
Peat pots Wednesday
Pushing above ground Thursday
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Why all the steps? I soak my seeds in a shotglass of ph'd water, I shake the jug to disolve oxygen and I replace the water once a day. Once I see a tap root I put the seed in a root riot/rapid rooter or a small pot of hydroton and done until transplant. So water to planting, thats it. Easy peasy japanesey!
 
chronicals77

chronicals77

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BobBitchen said:
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Why the extra(papertowel) step then? Just change the water once a day with fresh oxygenated water(i add hydroguard to the water)and wait for the root. What ever works for you I suppose. I just dont like the paper towel method I guess because most people soak it until its dripping wet and it only needs to be slightly damp. A few drops of water goes a long way. I see new growers using paper towels, soaking them to death, and there sprouts are damping off before they even make it to a pot or plug. Using a soaked papertowel theres no way to disolve oxygen into the water daily. Sometimes I will even fill 2" baskets with hydroton and put the seed directly into the pebbles and the baskets go into my DWC cloner. Within 3 days they are above the soil level. That's my favorite method.
 
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oldman60

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chronicals77 said:
Considering what seeds cost YOU should atleast expect each and every seed to be a quality seed. Sometimes even the best of seeds won't germ but only the best quality seeds should be packaged and that's just something that comes with breeding and selling seeds. I personally dont think its fair that bank put 100% of the responsibility on the breeders. It should be a joint partnership. "joint, funny" The breeder IS 100% responsible for what goes into a package but the bank is profiting by selling those seeds. Think about it, $10-$15 per seed. That's not cheap by any sense of the word BUT quality seeds are worth it. The people that shrug off subpar beans have more money than I do.

On topic, I am a feminised fan. I will grow regs but I will choose fems everytime if they are available just for the convenience. Regs are stronger and more stable but require more time, more materials, and disposal if you dont breed. Its really a no brainer, any good business person fills the demand. Fems are the majority. Once nationwide legalization is reality seeds will be a thing of the past except for preservation and clones will be packaged and shipped nation wide.
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You have been assured they aren't sub-par trust the man we all do.

:peace:
 
chronicals77

chronicals77

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oldman60 said:
You have been assured they aren't sub-par trust the man we all do.

:peace:
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Now that I got a response I feel better about it. He mentioned the grey seeds and them being viable and the ones I recieved do appear more greyish. In 3 months when I go to germ them, IF I get one out of 5 I will be all over it! Lol.
 
Javadog

Javadog

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Dr.D81 said:
I have a Question and would like everyone's opinion. At this point I am still hashing out how to model my company. Now I most importantly want to produce the finest product I can. I also understand this is a customer service busyness and that is way I am letting seed banks handel the order and shipping end. That frees me up more to do what I do and not have to sweat making to post office. To get back to my point the only thing people are buying are fems so question is do I need to be trying to release reg beans or just stick to making fems? I will still be breeding with males but would select females to cross and or self. You look at DNA, CSI Humbolt, and a bunch of others who only make fems.
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The kicker, in part, is the question of how to select males for good offspring.

Remember the Weed Church episode we were all talking about? IIRC Chimera
made the example of trying to breed women with big tits: easy to pick good females
but how to pick good males?

==> This problem goes away when making femmed beans.

Now, I think that you nailed it there: make males to maintain your own genetic stock.

I would not want to rely too much on forced/odd genetics.

But if it is only the Fs that are moving then make Fs. :0)
 
Eastcoasttreez

Eastcoasttreez

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I think you should definitely make both regs and fems. Maybe 70%fems 30%regs because that's what the market calls for. Me personally I love regs because I love a good male but I also like fems once in a while too. As for chronica bro you can't really bitch about them not germing until you at least tried. If you get one good female out of a 5 pack you should be happy. Think about all that good nug that one good female could give you and it only cost you 55bucks. Personally I would of private messaged doc about the issue instead going on about it on here but hey that's me personally. I'm sure you'll find fire in that pack and in the end you'll be happy.
 
Javadog

Javadog

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Dealing with the concerns of customers is clearly part of the business...
.....and a place where Doc can stand out.

But I still think that I might prefer to use "Doc's Lab OR" to hang out with Doc,
so that I do not feel moved to interfere in these interactions.

Anyhoo, I am going to have to jump on something....does that outfit ship
to anyone in the US? (my card expired)

Take care.

JD
 
Holiday928

Holiday928

Member
Dr.D81 said:
We also got with Belle Isle and had a talk about price and they are dropping them to $30 a pack to be more competitively priced. Now I have to go get some plywood:)
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New member here. I've been wanting to grow for a while and I came across this forum looking for a trustworthy place to buy seeds. I see you're well respected and that you're a breeder and I was wondering if you could ease my mind by letting me know if I can trust ordering your seeds from Belle Isle and if there's any other great places to buy from here in the states.
 
Friction1957

Friction1957

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Eastcoasttreez said:
I think you should definitely make both regs and fems. Maybe 70%fems 30%regs because that's what the market calls for. Me personally I love regs because I love a good male but I also like fems once in a while too. As for chronica bro you can't really bitch about them not germing until you at least tried. If you get one good female out of a 5 pack you should be happy. Think about all that good nug that one good female could give you and it only cost you 55bucks. Personally I would of private messaged doc about the issue instead going on about it on here but hey that's me personally. I'm sure you'll find fire in that pack and in the end you'll be happy.
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Couldn't agree more
 
Vnsmkr

Vnsmkr

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Holiday928 said:
New member here. I've been wanting to grow for a while and I came across this forum looking for a trustworthy place to buy seeds. I see you're well respected and that you're a breeder and I was wondering if you could ease my mind by letting me know if I can trust ordering your seeds from Belle Isle and if there's any other great places to buy from here in the states.
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http://oregoneliteseeds.com/t/docs-dank-seeds
 
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