Do you add to flower time after correcting a nute issue?

First time growing HSO Blue Dream and one of the phenos stretched extremely quickly post-flip and is a nutrient hog that fell far behind her peer pheno. She developed a pretty severe mag deficiency during weeks three and four of flower. Corrected the mag issue and nute issues and she is turning back to a proper shade of color and on the mend.

My question related to the bud stunting. Bud site formations were coming along slowly and seems a few weeks behind her peer. Even though the issue is on the mend and the bud structure seems to be advancing, just well behind her peer. Time is not an issue. If I allow her to take an extra week or two after the standard flowering period range to fill out, is that reasonable and helpful? Or will the plant slow down and start to degrade by attempting the extra flowering time - thus defeating the point?

Thanks

Soil/BioCanna/Indoor

No harm in letting the plant finish. It will just take a little longer.

Just watch the trichomes, they tell all.

No wine before its time ... Like he said ^^^

Watch it for nanners. I've run a few HSO BDs from seed, fem seeds, and they've all thrown balls with any heavy stress. I've been cloning off the more stable pheno I have for over a year, but it'll still throws nuts if I'm not careful and abuse it. Hopefully you don't have to deal with it.

WTF is this "time" thing anyway?

I never count days, weeks or whatever...

They are done when they are done...
Learning just what done is? Takes more time then many think...

I run about at least 2 weeks to even 4 weeks longer then any damn breeders report......The plant tells me they are done!

PS trich's don't always tell you when a plant is done! There are strains that either hardly amber to no ambering at all! Just look at the pic's - these have no amber and are both at week 11

Swollen calyx's and receded pistils tell me more then trich's....

DONE GG#4 over 29%


Gelato 33 over 34%

Dr. Who said:

WTF is this "time" thing anyway?

I never count days, weeks or whatever...

They are done when they are done...
Learning just what done is? Takes more time then many think...

I run about at least 2 weeks to even 4 weeks longer then any damn breeders report......The plant tells me they are done!

PS trich's don't always tell you when a plant is done! There are strains that either hardly amber to no ambering at all! Just look at the pic's - these have no amber and are both at week 11

Swollen calyx's and receded pistils tell me more then trich's....

DONE GG#4 over 29%View attachment 4278062


Gelato 33 over 34%View attachment 4278063

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I totally agree, but it's nice knowing an approximate finish time for new strains until you figure them out. I don't really want to have to start checking trichs at week 8 if it's a known 10+week strain. I'm not a fan of touching developing buds if I don't have to.

Dr. Who said:

WTF is this "time" thing anyway?

I never count days, weeks or whatever...

They are done when they are done...
Learning just what done is? Takes more time then many think...

I run about at least 2 weeks to even 4 weeks longer then any damn breeders report......The plant tells me they are done!

PS trich's don't always tell you when a plant is done! There are strains that either hardly amber to no ambering at all! Just look at the pic's - these have no amber and are both at week 11

Swollen calyx's and receded pistils tell me more then trich's....

DONE GG#4 over 29%View attachment 4278062


Gelato 33 over 34%View attachment 4278063

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LOL beautiful plants, you are the last of the Time Lords so you do have that special skill set the rest of us lack infinite grow space in that TARDIS helps too.

Seriously though you're right. Landrace Sativas don't go cloudy or amber, they are clear at harvest and can act more like perennials than annuals etc... Like @WeedFreak78 I use the grow time as the earliest estimate and get the loupes/handheld microscope out about a week before. But it's the overall look of the plant combined with trichomes when I harvest. Let me hitch a ride in the TARDIS and I'll be more experimental

I hear Daleks have some crazy bud, really knocks your block off. Dalek would be a good strain name. "Hey man, you ever try that Dalek?" "Yeah, it really exterminated me!"


Your issue could also just be pheno related. Might just not be a good producer.

Renfro said:

Just watch the trichomes, they tell all.

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There was a time someone could negative rep you for this, luckily democracy prevailed or id be on minus 6000 likes too.

But yer weak info

Once the blooming starts the plant is on a countdown, dictated by dna, to complete its life cycle.

If during that cycle its development is stunted or shocked or delayed that is just too bad. You dont get that time back. The clock is ticking, meaning that it will finish on time, its time, no matter what you do. So whatever growth is lost, is gone forever.

You can keep it alive as long as you possibly can but it isnt going to grow anymore than what its dna had already decided before you popped the seed.

Humans arent that much different

Karamelo 41 percent DONE 16 days past breeder suggestion


GG4 36 Percent 37 days NOT DONE done at 77 days

Gquebed said:

Once the blooming starts the plant is on a countdown, dictated by dna, to complete its life cycle.

If during that cycle its development is stunted or shocked or delayed that is just too bad. You dont get that time back. The clock is ticking, meaning that it will finish on time, its time, no matter what you do. So whatever growth is lost, is gone forever.

You can keep it alive as long as you possibly can but it isnt going to grow anymore than what its dna had already decided before you popped the seed.

Humans arent that much different

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Correct on some points and not on others!

There is NO DNA "set amount of days" the plant grows or becomes mature for our use!

This is variable by environmental conditions.

Dr. Who said:

Correct on some points and not on others!

There is NO DNA "set amount of days" the plant grows or becomes mature for our use!

This is variable by environmental conditions.

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Well thats why i qualified with "ideal" conditions.

Also, finishing time is subjective. Everbody has a different idea of what they like.

But in my experience if you keep a strain going to long in flower it just keeps deteriorating. I once kept some northernlights going for 13 weeks waiting for amber trichs... they never really came and the plants just started dying... or rather the leaves crusted up and started dying. I thought i went wrong somewhere... but when i finally chopped the roots were still completely white and in excellent healthy. A bit root bound but not as bad as other plants ive had...

I didnt see any reason why the plants should die off as they did, but they did... they were just done. So... i got the sense it just lived out its life cycle after bloom started.

Did the same with some AK47. They just started dying off a bit sooner than the NL.

Anyway, so... how do you explain why a plant can be kept in veg indefineately but once you flip it eventually begins to deteriorate once the flowers reach a certain point?

Gquebed said:

Anyway, so... how do you explain why a plant can be kept in veg indefineately but once you flip it eventually begins to deteriorate once the flowers reach a certain point?

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It cant support dna replication as effective at the end as the start leading to a slow breakdown maybe and some dna errors mutations and unraveling of code.

Im no botanist but... i do know of the terms annuals and perennials... it seems cannabis is an annual... and i thought i read somewhere that annuals have a ticker on them...

But i couldve read that wrong... was a while ago...

Dr. Who said:

Correct on some points and not on others!

There is NO DNA "set amount of days" the plant grows or becomes mature for our use!

This is variable by environmental conditions.

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Gquebed said:

Im no botanist but... i do know of the terms annuals and perennials... it seems cannabis is an annual... and i thought i read somewhere that annuals have a ticker on them...

But i couldve read that wrong... was a while ago...

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To completely oversimplify, there are genomics and epigenomics at play. It's the age old discussion of nurture vs nature and they both play an important part. Essentially our genetics have something of a road map with inherent expectations. Nature by interfacing with the epigenome can switch things off and on. Somethings are hard coded (color of our eyes) and others have more environmental influence possible (our immune system).

Things work similarly in plants. This is an interesting discussion of plant telomere history and biology.
http://www.plantcell.org/content/16/4/794

curious2garden said:

To completely oversimplify, there are genomics and epigenomics at play. It's the age old discussion of nurture vs nature and they both play an important part. Essentially our genetics have something of a road map with inherent expectations. Nature by interfacing with the epigenome can switch things off and on. Somethings are hard coded (color of our eyes) and others have more environmental influence possible (our immune system).

Things work similarly in plants. This is an interesting discussion of plant telomere history and biology.
http://www.plantcell.org/content/16/4/794

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I watched a doc on human dna. It explained that at the moment of conception dna from the parents combine to begin creating a dna sequence for the offspring. It is basically an algorythm for development and life. Environmental factors can have an effect on such but given an ideal environment the code will be followed as written. Including mutations. Sometimes there is a "bug" in the code and things go wrong, but that is the fault in the code. It also explained plants are similar...
Very interesting stuff... and disturbing to know our fates are written and cant be changed much.

However, the dna can be rewritten. They have begun to cut and paste dna code into things...

Wish i could recall the name of the doc...

Gquebed said:

I watched a doc on human dna. It explained that at the moment of conception dna from the parents combine to begin creating a dna sequence for the offspring. It is basically an algorythm for development and life. Environmental factors can have an effect on such but given an ideal environment the code will be followed as written. Including mutations. Sometimes there is a "bug" in the code and things go wrong, but that is the fault in the code. It also explained plants are similar...
Very interesting stuff... and disturbing to know our fates are written and cant be changed much.

However, the dna can be rewritten. They have begun to cut and paste dna code into things...

Wish i could recall the name of the doc...

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Transcription, messenger and translation RNA can rewrite DNA within limitations, so mutations and alterations can occur. I agree it is very interesting.

Gquebed said:

I watched a doc on human dna. It explained that at the moment of conception dna from the parents combine to begin creating a dna sequence for the offspring. It is basically an algorythm for development and life. Environmental factors can have an effect on such but given an ideal environment the code will be followed as written. Including mutations. Sometimes there is a "bug" in the code and things go wrong, but that is the fault in the code. It also explained plants are similar...
Very interesting stuff... and disturbing to know our fates are written and cant be changed much.

However, the dna can be rewritten. They have begun to cut and paste dna code into things...

Wish i could recall the name of the doc...

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There are different types of mutations, this is important.

Human life is the length of time our dna can replicate before breakdown and mutations. Somthing about telemeres there you should read.

Environment stresses or forces faster replication why its applicable a lot.

Phages have been re-writting bacteria since the dawn of evolution, not hard and very common. Us humans have a xyXY dominant recessive (no idea were trans and self defind genders think they differ here) but plants can be far more complex which is why no one has ever cracked the hermie problem or genetics i guess.

Oh and im getting to that age where im hoping i dont have shit genetics or some recessive alzhimers (stupid word for dyslexics again) disease hidden away somewhere