Do organics take longer to finish? 2 Parts

Part 1

It seems to me that since making the switch to organics my finishing times are much longer. Back when I was using GH 3 part synthetic nutrients, an 8 week strain was certainly done at 8 weeks or shortly thereafter. But now, it seems like I could let them go another week or two past that to get to the same level of ripeness of my trichomes as I used to see.

Has anyone else found organically grown plants to take longer to finish?

Part 2

Also, I've always wondered; does a plant have a genetically predisposed length of time that it will flower for no matter the conditions? I'm going to try and make this as clear as possible, but it's going to be tough so humour me for a minute....

For example, let's say that you have an Afghan kush clone that you know finishes in 56 days (trichomes 100% cloudy) when grown un-stressed. But lets say you let it get rootbound, and you decide to transplant it into a bigger pot while you are three weeks into flowering. Obviously, this will put the plant into shock, and may take a week for growth to resume. Now here is the big question: Would those lost days of growth eat into the limited flowering window of the plant? Or does the flowering time just extend to whatever it needs - barring environmental concerns like frost and freezing temperatures.

I guess ultimately this comes down to one of two things. Either A) - the plant has a predetermined duration of blooming, and once it reaches that duration, it's not going to grow or mature past that point regardless of how long you keep in under 12-12

Or B) The plant will take as long as it needs to finish, extending it's ripening period as necessary. If you stunt your plant for a week or two, it's no worse than hitting the pause button. Growth with resume and pick up right where it left off.

Interested in any opinions and personal observations.

Thanks in advance.

it take practice but organics in soil properly is as fast as most hydro sytems. my WW finishes in just under 70 days.

i dont think using organics or not is going to change your finishing time. finishing time is in the genetics and is sometimes not dead on the money as listed but itll be very close

polyarcturus said:

it take practice but organics in soil properly is as fast as most hydro sytems. my WW finishes in just under 70 days.

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good to know! im a few weeks out from being finshed with mine and i was wondering about how long it would take. which breeders WW are you growing??

I've seen plenty of growers with crappy looking plants because of stress or low light level that are far beyond the time it should have taken to finish up with unripe wispy buds. I would say the plant takes the time it needs to flower and will likely perform differently under different conditions.

Pipe Dream said:

I've seen plenty of growers with crappy looking plants because of stress or low light level that are far beyond the time it should have taken to finish up with unripe wispy buds. I would say the plant takes the time it needs to flower and will likely perform differently under different conditions.

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So the question is; these crappy wispy buds you see, do they ever fill out if given long enough? Or do they just kind of stop bulking up and won't move past that leafy state no matter how long you give em?

i grew out a super silver haze from greenhouse that was awful. At 8 weeks it was barley gettin any bud density. I let it go 16 weeks. Viirtually nothing happened from weeks 10-16. Total waste of time and space. This is the only time I've tried this though, so I can't make a judgement on that call alone.

Same thing with a pakistani kush. Got stunted with some cold weather for two weeks, and stopped mid-flower. When the warmer temps resumed, so did growth, but not by much. In fact, even though the plant was alive and healthy, I saw nothing really happen after 8 weeks, even though 2-3 of those weeks were spent with the plant cold-shocked into stasis. After my experience with the SSH, I chopped it at 9 weeks, so I never did figure out if it would mature properly.

i had one that bloomed in waves i dont know if thats what your taking about or not??

"I wouldn't call either of these organic since organic usually infers it came from something that was once a living organism."




that's not what "organic" means. in the usage of gardening, it refers to being free of synthesized fert's and pesticides.

I wouldn't worry about the time they finish that much since it will probably be on the same range. What you should consider is how potent the buds will be and how many of them you can get.

Vindicated said:

Bloom fertilizers tend to be heavy in potassium (a metal) and phosphorus (a type of mineral or crystal). I wouldn't call either of these organic since organic usually infers it came from something that was once a living organism. I'm only guessing, but maybe the plants were getting to much nitrogen during the transition from the vegetative cycle to flowering cycle. Normally I'd think genetics, but excess nitrogen is another possibility.

As for your second question, my answer is no. If you measure a large group of identical plants, yes you will notice a similar patterns of growth at every stage of the plants life, however, all living things are effective by genetics and environmental factors. Take the germination process as an example. The average time is 2-5 days, but 10 days isn't unheard of. Why? This is mother nature's insurance policy. If a short lived storm comes, and the rains only last a few days, the ones that germinated early die while the late bloomer gets another chance. Flowering is no different. All strains of cannabis will flower more or less around the same time, but not to the day or minute. Overall health plays a role in every stage of life.

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exemplary!

apreminin said:

I wouldn't worry about the time they finish that much since it will probably be on the same range. What you should consider is how potent the buds will be and how many of them you can get.

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the best of both worlds is the goal man big buds fast yeilds, both can be acheived with some knowledge, some skill ,and the right conditions, meaning if the plants happy and in good health it will grow as fast as genetically/environmentally possible.


first time i ever double quoted makes me fell like a troll lol.

....when I grow hydro, the plants grow faster, and the buds are way bigger! ....this is a fact in my garden.

Buggins said:

So the question is; these crappy wispy buds you see, do they ever fill out if given long enough? Or do they just kind of stop bulking up and won't move past that leafy state no matter how long you give em?

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no they dont fill out they just finish as a crappy bud of just leaf and hair. but that from crappy light conditions, not from organics or not.