Do Not Vote For Legalization Or You Are Stupid

mrdrywall said:

i dont want it legalized spent a bunch of dough getting started in growing big demand and if legalized it would be everywhere took massive pay cut at work if it wasnt for my grows lot of my bills would not get paid

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So, you want other people to spend years in prison so you can make money? That's pretty selfish, bro. Maybe you should look at how to adapt with the changing market instead?

i think you bring up very good points about legalizing it, we shouldnt do that it risks hurting a lot of people, but i dont think thaat you should go to jail for just a little bit of weed

Heres a bump of my response from pg.36 ending.
Originally Posted by LegalizeFreedom
I will say it again, marijuana is illegal because of the FDA and Oil industry. It will never be legalized for recreational use. marijuana legalization would cause almost every industry to go bankrupt. marijuana would replace atleast 50% of all the industrys in the world.

Few of the industry that would get knocked off the map or be forced to evolve very quickly...

Pills = 50% of all pills would be useless.
Gas = 100% useless
Clothes = Entirely new processing required.
Paper = Tree harvesting would be null due to marijuana fields producting over 1000% faster and 1 Acre of marijuana is equal to 3 Acres of trees.
Rope = All rope would be hemp much stronger material
Metal = Hemp is 50% lighter and 200% stronger.

Economy = Crashed because of a plant that is too powerful for its own good


True.But just because it would be legal,doesnt mean all companys & people are going to switch from whats been used to make & produce products,foods,medicne etc for years.Most people just want to smoke & dont relly care much for its other many uses.Veg oil & water can be used for fuel & theyre not illegal & haven't replaced fuel commercialy(cant go to the gas station & fill up).

mrdrywall->>"i dont want it legalized spent a bunch of dough getting started in growing big demand and if legalized it would be everywhere took massive pay cut at work if it wasnt for my grows lot of my bills would not get paid"

Id rather get a legal job & not have to worry about geting fired over a piss test.And I could smoke freely without the worry of being busted & not being able to get loans,grants,certain jobs etc.It would make it easier for smokers to keep & hold a job.And what happens when a smoker loses their job or/& gets busted?The dealer has a loss of a regular buyer.& can risk geting pinched,it can be a double loss.

Brody.Will.Grow.Thee said:

we should not legalize it, then have everyone who smokes be open and casual about it. they cant arrest all of us!!

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UUUUUUhhhhhh ok you go first i got your back

If marijuana was that powerful, not saying it's not, then someone would have been able to take over the world by now dude. It's been around for thousands of years and harvested and cultivated by ancient civilizations. There is no evidence that it led to the doenfall or destruction of any economy or civilization when it was legal. In fact if you look at the pattern the legalization and mass cultivation of marijuana has helped any society that it has been used in more then it has hurt them. Look up its medicinal and industrial use in ancient China. Look up how it helped lead to the downfall of the French society during the Napoleonic era, when he outlawed its use and destroyed all the marijuana crops.

Finally take into regard all the people who are screwed every day in this country because a friggin weed is illegal to pull out of the ground and smoke. It's just silly and wrong. It will not take over any other industries or hurt any other business because it has been around forever and it has not replaced those things yet. It should be legal so that our society can advance its knowledge of reusable and sustainable medicine, also so that the people can have access to one of the most useful tools for production known to man.

Listening to someone say we should not vote to legalize is like watching the super bowl with someone who says they never watch football. Decriminalization is not the answer, sure it's a start and that would be amazing but it wont allow us to really get everything we can out of marijuana. Full legalization would allow a new business market to flourish. Seeds could be traded, plants could be cross pollinated and everyone could finally take their bud outside to grow and stop wasting hours of electricity!!!!

katfish32 said:

UUUUUUhhhhhh ok you go first i got your back

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Yeah. Waaaaay back.

Any man or woman that goes to work and pays taxes i feel has the right to come home and smoke a joint. If people were only to grow for personal use, its a harmless crime. Its not hurting anyone, who is the government to tell us what we can or cant do. As long as u pay ur taxes and ur not harming anyone its not a crime. The government just dont want us getting something good out of nothing.

They take our money then tell us we cant do something that is harmless and doesnt hurt anyone. Decriminalise weed and then maker stiffer penalties for hard drugs like coke crack and heroin. It's the hard drugs that are fukking up our cities why dont they concentrate on the real problem.

Decriminalise it and will free up resources to deal with serious issues instead of locking us up for the herb.

Evil

i personally think if you vote to legalize weed completely you are a jerk-off. period.

why do i say that?


its going to be the beginning of the end for the good growers...the ones who actually make quality products and are being rewarded with the cash and giving it to big business and the state (in taxes).

a system like the one in place in california (or maybe one similar but better thought out) would be best.

it makes it available to everyone that gets a card (which is ridiculously easy) and it allows the growers to supply them...not the next big beer/tobacco company of weed...yes it would happen...and the biggest fish in the pond would rack up all the profit and all the good work of the down to earth growers would go unrewarded.

beyond that is they do legalize it to where an ounce and 25 sq ft of growing space is allowed to everyone 21 and over it will in a lot of shitty weed by people out to turn profits...it will be hard to find the good weed when overnight first time growers will be selling weed grown incorrectly...possibly even dangerously...(you never know what someone would put into their grow; harmless or not if they found they can make a killing in profit).

do you really want to run that risk? possibly get weed thats molded that could make you sick or worse, kill you?

not me.

and i dont want to see weed go to a commercial big company.

if you legalize weed you're fucking the people.


i like the idea of real local people growing their own crops and being the suppliers...not a corporate company.

sm0keyrich510 said:

i personally think if you vote to legalize weed completely you are a jerk-off. period.

why do i say that?


its going to be the beginning of the end for the good growers...the ones who actually make quality products and are being rewarded with the cash and giving it to big business and the state (in taxes).

a system like the one in place in california (or maybe one similar but better thought out) would be best.

it makes it available to everyone that gets a card (which is ridiculously easy) and it allows the growers to supply them...not the next big beer/tobacco company of weed...yes it would happen...and the biggest fish in the pond would rack up all the profit and all the good work of the down to earth growers would go unrewarded.

beyond that is they do legalize it to where an ounce and 25 sq ft of growing space is allowed to everyone 21 and over it will in a lot of shitty weed by people out to turn profits...it will be hard to find the good weed when overnight first time growers will be selling weed grown incorrectly...possibly even dangerously...(you never know what someone would put into their grow; harmless or not if they found they can make a killing in profit).

do you really want to run that risk? possibly get weed thats molded that could make you sick or worse, kill you?

not me.

and i dont want to see weed go to a commercial big company.

if you legalize weed you're fucking the people.


i like the idea of real local people growing their own crops and being the suppliers...not a corporate company.

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That's a harsh statement, people are standing up for their freedoms and weed should never be illegal.

Even if it was legal this would not stop growers and if new grower started growing shitty dangerous weed for profit once clients try it and get sick or don't like the quality they will stop buying from shitty growers and the shitty grower will go out of business very fast. I understand your frustration but I think legalization will actually improve quality herb for those that want to buy it from good growers.

It's the same for Alcohol or tobacco, people have the right to grow or produce their own, most don't and would probably make shitting booze like moon shine or something and most won't buy or continue buy shitty stuff. but small companies or individuals can produce very nice wine or alcohol or cigars too that people will keep coming back to buy.

If someone just wants to buy from the liquor store that's their choice. It will be the same for weed, yes it will be mass produced and probably won't be very healthy.

People will still grow their own and those that are underground doing it or are professional medical growers can start businesses and produce good healthy herbs and people will buy from them to get good stuff. You can't profit or build a business around shitty product it won't last.

Currently in Canada the gov't provides medical cannabis which is low quality and it's irradiated which doesn't sound good, so medical growers with dozens of years experience grow their own or grow for others.

So don't knock people for wanting it to be legalized, it's cause more killing and deaths and problems being illegal and it's time to legalize, people are smart and not jerk off's for wanting freedom!!

Don't be so afraid, and live free, fuck the big companies and growers of shit weed, don't buy from them.

I'd rather grow my own quality herb or buy quality herb from other trusted sources for a few extra bucks then buy shitty unhealthy weed from a corporation of harmful growers

Also it's most likely people are growing shitty weed now to turn a profit because there are no standards and people don't have a lot of choices because it's illegal.

When you put a product into the open market the free market will demand top quality for those that want it, for others they can get the shitty stuff, there will be choices for what people can afford or the quality they want just like with alcohol, tobacco or almost any product or service.

Yeah i think the reason why its not legal is because its easily grown by just any one who plants a seed. everyone would be growing there own. the best would sell more. the rest could smoke there own. the government cant profit off something thats so easy for everyone to get. so they make it illegal to profit off of the fines.
They wouldnt spend money to bust someone growing some personal plants if it were legal and would tax the major growers.

im on both sides here . if they do then it would be alot of hustlers money fucked up ... but i could smoke like a chimmney and be free as a bird... but if they dont then we can continue to trap this paper.

i think that the main issue now along with the unreasonable arrests is the violence at the border.. they find like 5 - 7 chopped up bodies every day and it is never the cartel's men - 18,000 innocent lives over the last 3 years of the war on drugs.. it will only become more dangerous - the mexican cartel employs more than 100,000 armed men.. that is more than the mexican army.. by legalizing weed we could cut out over $100,000,000,000 of their yearly budget.. no more gold plated AK-47s and million dollar salaries for the militia..!

Im still in the process of reading this thread. So forgive me if this has been discussed already. We already know if legalized the price in California will drop. But what do you think its effects will be on what will still be a black market in other states? If big corporations start producing product, what do you see its impact possibly in other states where that corporate product is smuggled to.

racerboy71 said:

can you see some of the bible belt states decriminalizing marijuana? i don't live in the south, thank god, lol..

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Actually....the people in the south have been and will continue growing pot on a very large scale. It is like a family tradition, especially in Tennessee and Kentucky. All the mountains and places people never go allow the people in South Eastern Kentucky to grow just under that of what California grows. They are second in the country. Besides the counties and state cannot afford to monitor people the way they can in say California. Southwestern West Virginia is exactly the same way and I believe they rank 4th. It is the Appalachian smoke trail man! lol

I'v been reading this thread and after everything i read i do hope it becomes legal and i think i speak for all of us when i say this but i just want to smoke my bud in peace. Im sure the big corporations are goin to jump on it if it does become legal but look at it this way the ones who do grow good quality herb are going to continue to grow if anything there the one's who are goin to expand there operation first. Iv always grown my own weed its free and easy and like i siad i just want to smoke my herb in peace especially after a long day of work i just want to come home and spark up a blunt of my own high grade bud.

you often see the chart of polls saying that support for pot has grown from 33% in 1998 to 44% in 2008 - but, i wonder how many people answer honestly? is this some narc looking guy in a suit asking you to come over to his van and answer personal questions about drugs? perhaps we have more like 55-60% national approval.. then then remaining 40-56% are not all for prohibtion..

it is going to happen in california this november.. everyone vote and make it a landslide!!

Legalise weed stop putting people in to prison for it. Then concentrate on the hard drugs, weed is different than coke heroin crytal meth. But it's still regarded in the same category.

Right now at this economic crisis more jobs and money can be made by legalising it. People can set up shops and businesses selling weed thats taxed. More police time can be spent on crimes that are dangerous and focus on protecting the public. A grower that grows for just personal use is not hurting anyone. He or she is not affecting or harming anyone else by growng weed.


People who go out and work that buy cannais could gow there own. Leaving the worker more money to spend, money spent on legal taxed products. The price of good weed is extortinate these days. That's whats making a lot of people grow there own as they cant afford to smoke. Or feel that they dont want to pay the extra money,

I think that it will be legalised in the future as a new generation of people will be more open minded than the current. They could legalise it as a test see how it all works out. If it dont work out then culd make it illegal again. You don't know if its gonna work uless u try and if u dont try u never know.

Weed makes a lot of people happy, id rather live in a world where we are all happy and smiling than one where we all miserable fukkers.

All us weed smokers/growers should put our money together and buy are own country and make up are own laws lol. Then we will be able to grow in peace hhehehe.


Evil

its a tough issue weed should not be illegal that said your points are valid and legalisation will help and hurt the economy i have both sides here