Do LED Lights Really Improve Yield?

Unfortunately my personal experience has not lined up perfectly with most "scientific" studies. Seems to me, and I could be wrong. Most of the time people have these studies to prove a point, meaning they have a desired result already in mind before hand, and either subconsciously or purposely, exaggerated anything that supports their predisposed ideals, while ignoring anything against them.
 
Hello all,

I've watched a few friends used HPS for years, but I'm considering using LED. There’s a lot of hype about higher yields and better energy efficiency. Is it worth the investment? Would love to hear real-world experiences.

Inputs would be appreciated.
Is it worth the investment?
Depends on why you grow and what is your goal and situation. And also how much youre willing to invest in effort and money. Leds have gotten a lot cheaper than they used to be.

Leds require a bit more of the grower in my opinion - you need to have tighter control over environment and understand how to really push your plants. Main issue is if its too cold in your grow area, if you have to add a big heater while dropping your lighting watts the energy efficiency as a total may not be that great. But you can definitely yield better with leds than hps, both totals/per area and g/w of lighting.

Some people take issue with the quality of led grown weed some dont. Seems like some strains and cuts lend themselves better or worse to leds.

Some growers find that mixed HID and leds give them the best results - in this case youd want to make sure to have your lightsources properly mixed; not one hps on one side and another side with leds: hid grown crave cold while leds crave heat.
 
I gave LED a try. Honestly, I’m glad I did lower power bills, less heat, and my yields didn’t suffer. I wasn't sure either until CropKings and RocketSeeds gave me some good suggestions.:p:p
 
Unfortunately my personal experience has not lined up perfectly with most "scientific" studies. Seems to me, and I could be wrong. Most of the time people have these studies to prove a point, meaning they have a desired result already in mind before hand, and either subconsciously or purposely, exaggerated anything that supports their predisposed ideals, while ignoring anything against them.
same here, most of the studies i read i end up laughing by the end, same with this one posted.
 
Is it worth the investment?
Depends on why you grow and what is your goal and situation. And also how much youre willing to invest in effort and money. Leds have gotten a lot cheaper than they used to be.

Leds require a bit more of the grower in my opinion - you need to have tighter control over environment and understand how to really push your plants. Main issue is if its too cold in your grow area, if you have to add a big heater while dropping your lighting watts the energy efficiency as a total may not be that great. But you can definitely yield better with leds than hps, both totals/per area and g/w of lighting.

Some people take issue with the quality of led grown weed some dont. Seems like some strains and cuts lend themselves better or worse to leds.

Some growers find that mixed HID and leds give them the best results - in this case youd want to make sure to have your lightsources properly mixed; not one hps on one side and another side with leds: hid grown crave cold while leds crave heat.
for me, taste test, i can normally tell it its grown in water or soil, its why i generally dislike hydro weed
 
for me, taste test, i can normally tell it its grown in water or soil, its why i generally dislike hydro weed
Never grown in water so not had the chance to do proper blinds tests and clubs around here dont generally list grow media.

But incidentally done a lot of side by sides in coco with different tuned led lights- up to the point where you started to notice patterns in the taste. In blind tests it was impossible to miss which light had added violet/uv and what was just plain white. Also quite easy to recognize which bud had been grown with green heavy and which was grown with a full and wide red supplement in comparison to just the standard 660nm red spike.
 
im reading over these documents, these trials looked solid was wondering if they used clones, seeds, ect. seems like they used tissue cultures for the testings which is good. edit seems like different wordage a few times, some times they say rooted cuttings
Most research is done on "clones" since that removes genetic variation from the equation. If they refer to "rooted cuttings", I'd assume that to be the same as a clone.

I can think of only one paper that was done where they didn't run CO2 and, amazingly, that study took light levels up to 1800µmol.
 
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Most research is done on "clones" since that removes genetic variation from the equation. If they refer to "rooted cuttings", I'd assume that to be the same as a clone.

I can think of only one paper that was done where they didn't run CO2 and, amazingly, that study took light levels up to 1800µmol.
the problem with testing is it takes so much to prove anything, while they could have proved alot they also only tested 1 set of genetics, and personally i would rather of them tested tissue culture and not clones, since even tho same genetics it also varies depending on cuts since they wont all be the same
 
Research shows that spectrum has little to do with yield. As the percentage of blue photons increases, yield decreases (see attached).

In terms of LED's increasing yield, I think the attached paper documents that HPS results in higher yield but the cost of running an HPS over N years is so much higher than an LED light that using HPS can't be justified on a cost basis.

The main issue with spectrum its impact on plant morphology—blue makes plants short and compact, red "encourages growth" (red diodes are very electrically efficient), and far red tends to increase stem elongation so it can help offset the impact of blue photons in a "white" LED.

Many LED are sold as "HPS replacements" and they have a PPFD map with a lot of light in the center but a rapid fall off once you move off center. That allows a company to create a "750 watt" LED at a low price. Growers coming from HPS don't know about PPFD maps so they don't know the difference.

Companies light Spider, Mars, and Migro (and Growcraft, before they went belly up), put the engineering into creating lights that have a more even PPFD map. The engineering and the additional diodes are cost drivers but they, unquestionably, can produce a higher yield.

Most growers don't get the extra yield because they don't give their plants enough light to maximize yield (bud quality and yield quality increase as PPFD increases, though they max out at lower levels). That's a huge issue—if you want to just grow some weed, a lower priced light, with. "hot spot" PPFD map will save you a few hundred dollars. If you want to go for a light with an even PPFD map and will turn up the dimmer, assuming that your grow environment is sound, your chances are very high of at least meeting the seed seller's estimates, which tend to be in the 450-650gm/sqare meter range.

There is no magic to that. We know how cannabis reacts to light, in terms of yield. There's scads of research on that and the results are consistent. It takes 9 photons to make 1 molecule of carbon so if you only provide a modest number of photons, a cannabis plant cannot grow as well as a plant that gets a lot of photons (as long as light is the limiting factor and all other things being equal).

The Frontiers paper is a few years old and is unusual because the research was done in ambient CO2.

To your question—I think in the "Decreasing Blue Photons…" paper HPS will produced more weed but the electricity required is much higher. (I've never even entertained the idea of using HPS.)

I grow for crop yield, crop quality, and bud quality. My buds plants are big, the yields are high but the buds are not the small, cute bud of the month buds. If I was growing in a 4' x 4' tent, in ambient or enhanced CO2, I'd go with a a pair of Spider Farmer G4500's, which are for 2' x 4' tents, and would add a set of Spider Glow R80's to the G4500.

The two light setup gives you some redundancy, they're light and easy to maneuver, and they allow you to improve the light cast because you can set the lights at different heights. The R80's add 80 watts of 660nm light which helps boost the percentage of red light. I've run a few sets of lights through chatGPT and the spectral balance of those lights is really quite something.

I added the R80's to my Growcraft X3 flower light last year and got just the light I was looking for. If I were to continue to grow, I'd DX my Growcraft and go with the G4500. I simply can't find a better combination of spectrum (to shape the plants), PPFD output, and PPFD map unless I go to something like the behemoths at grandmaster.com which are far more expensive (though I'd go with them if I was going with CO2 and wanted to put that kind of money into a grow setup).

Long answer but we're all well served by a significant discussion.
Heres 1 Bud/Branch actually., 58 grams dried-trimmed from a 2010 Barneys Farm G13 x Haze, grown in 14 gallons Promix BX, and got 22oz. All I did was bend it over, and shake it a bit everday, to create physical stress. No Defoliation. No Topping, of any kind. After it got growing good, I just bent it over, and trained it to grow into a huge bush. 1 plant took up the whole 4 x 4 at 45 day veg. 4x stretch after flip. I didnt mess with the growing tip either. I bent it starting about 10% from the top, as messing with the tip with slow forward growth, and force lowers, but bending it, already blasts the lowers, and I rely on the stretch, which can also reduce veg time.

This branch was about 21 inches long. There were 22oz worth like this.
Was also started as clone, vegged under 1000w Hortilux HPS 45 days.

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