Do breeders straight up bullshit us about harvest time or they just harvest under PERFECT conditions?

I've actually noticed some breeders have changed from saying X amount of days to 7-9 weeks or 8-10 weeks for flowering etc. So maybe there slowly coming around to being honest somewhat. Also if it's photoperiod add the 2 weeks in for between flip and start of flower count.
 
Also, I wouldn't call many of the outfits selling seeds breeders. The real breeders like ACE are pretty accurate with their flowering times and usually list them in a range of possible finish times like 8 - 10 weeks, etc... accounting for the differences in growing conditions. There are no absolutes and anyone stating anything as such is talking out of their ass.
 
After all the info I've read, I decided to keep track, but ignore the numbers and just trust my plant will tell me when it's time.

I bought seeds based on strains and the look of the bud, it actually never really crossed my mind to take account of the stated finish times.
 
I started growing to get the high I wanted. I want a good daytime buzz.
I've got projects to do and the couch will be there when I'm 65.
So I prefer a sativa and chop at 3-10% amber for my personal stash.
For profit runs I'll go w an indica and let her go to 50/50 amber to chop.
Induced couchlock every time.

As for times, they do an educated guess. Many mistake the flip from the day they change the schedule as opposed to when flowering physically starts to show on the plant. So there's 2 weeks discrepancy right off the bat.
(Growers mistake) edit: or maybe my mistake on understanding?
Flower period, is it from flip
Or from first physical signs of flowering?
And which do breeders refer to when listing flowering period lengths?
 
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I count from the day I flip the lights. If a strain says 55-60, I'm chopping in 49-55 usually.
I like to chop at about 10% amber as long as my trichomes are cloudy, or most of my pistils turned orange. Personal preference on effect too. I accept losing 10% or more in yield.
I'm going for variety and small size, I rush literally every step besides "removing the dome" on transplanted clones.
My buddies grow the same phenos as me, and they don't think mine feels premature. They go to the last advertised day.

I have tiny ass plants, as much as 20 under 640w.. Everything is as early as possible.
 
Severed Tongue said:
After all the info I've read, I decided to keep track, but ignore the numbers and just trust my plant will tell me when it's time.

I bought seeds based on strains and the look of the bud, it actually never really crossed my mind to take account of the stated finish times.
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I buy based on how the sugar leaves look... Idk how to explain it... But you can spot dense or loose genetics over the internet sometimes. Yielders too.

Kinda weird how sativas LOOK "PRE-1990" then there's the "gdp,blueberry, sour diesel" era, where they have a "look" with huge beehives speed across huge internodes, and now we are into a new "canopy" era. Idk. Just an observation.
 
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Doug Dawson said:
At this point I just don't start counting. It's like trying to guess yield, just let it do it's thing and it will show you when it's done.
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I hear ya, but it's force of habit for me, with feeding schedules, and when I add a little of this & that in the feed. I also document everything, so it helps me narrow things down.
 
kovidkough said:
picking with mostly cloudy/no amber was/is perpetuated by the Europeans and Dutch who unlike most Americans do NOT want any couchlock. they prefer the daytime buzz with a coffee as is the norm in the Netherlands to be social and buzzing about the town. different society different needs. Americans haven't had legalization as long or culturally accepted people "stoned" in public.
Americans tend to be more attracted to the couch lock , face melt shit
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How do u know? I'm asking cause I'm European and I don't have that impression at all(that Europeans seek a buzz where ur functional) and actually quite opposite until a certain age.
As a teen everyone were looking for shit to get u fucked up, locked down, pretty much unable to move. In and around the clicks I knew at least.
 
Seed banks and breeders exaggerate flowering times to appeal to cash croppers for the most part. People who make a living growing are typically trying to turn runs over as fast as possible and don't always care if the plants are 100% ready. It doesn't help that a lot of new growers starting out have grown up in this internet feuled age of instant gratification where there is a wiki for every subject, a YouTube tutorial for every occasion, and anything you want is 2 days away with an Amazon prime membership. Doesn't tend to make for patient, meticulous growers. Everything has to be huge and it has to be right now!
 
NanoGadget said:
Seed banks and breeders exaggerate flowering times to appeal to cash croppers for the most part. People who make a living growing are typically trying to turn runs over as fast as possible and don't always care if the plants are 100% ready. It doesn't help that a lot of new growers starting out have grown up in this internet feuled age of instant gratification where there is a wiki for every subject, a YouTube tutorial for every occasion, and anything you want is 2 days away with an Amazon prime membership. Doesn't tend to make for patient, meticulous growers. Everything has to be huge and it has to be right now!
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Agreed on all points lol...
 
NanoGadget said:
Seed banks and breeders exaggerate flowering times to appeal to cash croppers for the most part. People who make a living growing are typically trying to turn runs over as fast as possible and don't always care if the plants are 100% ready. It doesn't help that a lot of new growers starting out have grown up in this internet feuled age of instant gratification where there is a wiki for every subject, a YouTube tutorial for every occasion, and anything you want is 2 days away with an Amazon prime membership. Doesn't tend to make for patient, meticulous growers. Everything has to be huge and it has to be right now!
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Nailed it.
 
Destroyer of chairs said:
How do u know? I'm asking cause I'm European and I don't have that impression at all(that Europeans seek a buzz where ur functional) and actually quite opposite until a certain age.
As a teen everyone were looking for shit to get u fucked up, locked down, pretty much unable to move. In and around the clicks I knew at least.
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if you look at the trends and strains that Holland stocks its mostly uplifting energetic sativas, it's not that they lack indicas, but it's simply to get a product as fast as you can to the customer. it's all marketing

and I'm talking legal market not what you buy as a kid. the black market and white market trends differ

and the legal market dominates the major of real customers breeders are after. they want big buyers, we home growers are pennies in that business
 
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xtsho said:
Many of the websites use the same photos as well. Especially those that have popped up in recent years that should be avoided. It's likely many are just copying pictures and selling the same seeds as different strains.

The cannabis industry is as unscrupulous as any if not the most. Used car salesman are more trustworthy than much of what goes on in the cannabis world.
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*cough cough Greenpoint cough cough
 
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