Mushead,I understandthe differences,but dude was talking bout the ceremony in the jungle(like he was a shaman himself) and I was comparing the pros and cons..id rather be spun for 20 mins in my home than 20 hours in a swampy jungle..I understand the spiritual side of the ceremony and its appeal to certain people,but its not for me..personally...ever hear about gordon tood skinner(lsd silo bust fame)? Intraveinous dmt,regulated to keep a certain peak or flow,for hours on end..like taking a big rip of deems,every breath,for hours...sounds fun!