DMT Extraction Guide: Questions

ANC

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I would suggest something like a whiskey bottle with a metal lid, they work well for me, there is no gas buildup, the chemical reaction actualy produces a slight vacuum not a buildup....

The lye reaction is very exothermic, rest the container receiving the lye in another one with cold water, add lye in like half spoon ammounts at a time, keeping your face far away, and you should be fine.
Keep vinegar on hand to neutralise any skin exposure.
 

shepj

Oracle of Hallucinogens
Keep vinegar on hand to neutralise any skin exposure.
I don't mean to be a dick.. but I have to call you out here.

Water should be used. I don't think you want that reaction on your skin.
 

AchillesLast

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I would suggest something like a whiskey bottle with a metal lid, they work well for me, there is no gas buildup, the chemical reaction actualy produces a slight vacuum not a buildup....
Why do you prefer the long neck bottles? You mentioned that in your guide that I have open and you kind of reference to why. Is it because by your plan, you fill the whole (let's say...) whiskey bottle with your very potent base water mix. Then clear some room in the bottle (so now maybe its 4/5 full), so you can add the bark. Shake the bark around for a bit, and then add the naptha. Let settle, pull naptha off with syringe and then freeze.

Sorry I had to type the whole thing out, because I was having a hard time visualizing the steps after adding the bark in my head and just wanted to make sure that was basically right. I know that there's wait time involved etc. but that's the general premise.

And I have a question on your cooling method. A lot of other guides I've read suggest putting the naptha pulls directly in the freezer as low as it can go. But you suggest letting it cool on its own for a bit (until it gets milky) and then putting it in the freezer. Has that helped your yield?

Last question, how does the naptha remove itself from your final product? Does it evap during the crystallization process? Or do you need to wash the product (I've read in Noman's a step at the end where you wash a certain part (either the crystals or whats left) with ammonia).

I'm referring to Noman's Tek (http://wiki.dmt-nexus.com/Noman's_tek) final steps which refer to a recrystallization process which seems to be the way to go to get a really pure product in the end.

Sorry lots of questions!
 

ANC

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I use the vinigar like explained, the only reaction is acid neutralising a base... whereas water feeds the reaction between lye and the skin... which is why its so dangerous in your eyes.
A thin necked bottle makes a taller column of solvent which is easier to pull off.

I normally mix my lye and water in a seperate container, then fill half of my bottle with it, add bark, then top up leaving enough space in the neck for solvent.

I would say the majority of the naphta evaporates, especialy with the Neon brand I'm useing lately... alternatively you can further recrystalise with MEK, but that also has to evap... somewhere along the line you are just gonna have to do it if you want to. Nothing in life is risk free.

The reason for freezing slowly is to not capture impurities inside the crystal structure.
 

AchillesLast

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Hey thank ANC! You've been super helpful. I'd rep you more but I can't haha. So basically by slowing crystallizing, you allow the naptha/other impurities to evaporate leaving the DMT crystals. That's tight.

Yeah you're right I am gonna have to just do it. Well I purchased my bark, so let's see what happens. Hopefully its not bunk!
 

AchillesLast

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OK so back to this thread, SWIM went to the store to go buy materials for doing this project. But he couldn't find pure Sodium Hydroxide, it also had some Sodium Nitrate in it. Is this OK to use for the extraction, or does it need to be pure Sodium Hydroxide?
 

AchillesLast

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Alright so I wanted to update this thread.

I finally had the time and energy now that school has finished to tackle this project. A friend and I took it on yesterday and can't believe the results we got. For about 120g of dense powdered bark we got about 90mg. We haven't done the full measurements yet, but have estimated such. Updating later tonight with pics of the pure white spice we collected. The crystals are light and fluffy and extremely white.

This spice was created with a combination of Noman's Tek and Shepj's tek [modified Lazy Man Tek](where he stirs the lye/bark in milk containers).

Thanks again for all the guidance within the community. And now that I've researched and tackled this process, I really understand what is happening so please feel free to ask questions of your own here.

I'll definitely update again when we hit hyperspace.
 

brokali

Member
On the nexus there's a tek that uses calicum hydroxide (pickling lime/kalkwasser) imo is the safest and definately the easiest of the ones tried by swim. Its Q21Q21s tek. Swim usually gets 1 to 1.3 grams from 100 gram prepowdered bark
 

AchillesLast

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Yesterday was the day. The first time I hit hyperspace, and let me tell you what an amazing, beautiful and mysteriously frightening experience.

I first had wanted to extract this substance to use as an entheogen during my meditation sessions. So I started the evening off with my typical routine, working myself into a trance by which to ready my mind for the 0 to 60 mindfuck it was about to take itself on. As my trance got deeper, I ready myself more and more, until I finally ripped the bong. We loaded the bong with a little bit of weed, then placed a large (35mg+) DMT dose, sandwiched by another layer of weed. By barely tapping the flame over the weed, I achieved three solid bong rips, that as I reached for the third hit the buzzing in my ears began until I reeled back into the ethereal plane.

My closed eye visuals started with 3D fractal images that keep zooming deeper and deeper into each other, morphing, expanding and enveloping me. My physical body had melted into a plane of a pure light and energy as I dwelled in between two worlds. Creatures started to appear on the edges of my "view", they would move about me very quickly, speaking without speaking. I had the foresight to understand what they were doing, not why or how but I understood that I just needed to watch and enjoy they show they were making for me with their different shapes, colors and ideas. At some point during this energizing experience I sat up and centered myself as I caught a glimpse of my physical hands, I brought them to my prayer mudra and said an "om" which centered me almost, reminding me of the physical manifestation that overlaps all the energy that is present in everyday life. I slipped back into a state of pure awareness and understanding. I was at peace in this place, it felt like an orgasm.

Suddenly, my eyes jolted open and I was in my room but it was still not my living room. The open eyed visuals were so intense I that my typical MC esher-esque lizard drawings were appearing everywhere, morphing and stacking itself. I saw bugs and thick blobs that looked like macro-bacteria on everything in my room. This is when I started to get scared, because my rational mind started to kick in a bit more at this point and I remembered I had smoked this drug. But I also realized I was very fucked up still. From different trip reports I had read, I had assumed the trip would be entirely closed eye visuals from which you eventually "wake up" from. I did not realize that the opened eyed visuals would be so intense and I thought I might have permanently fucked myself up. This is when I reached out to my friend and asked through the haze "I'm I dead?" I felt like I was re-living my life and at that moment I was watching myself live/die in my own apartment. My friend answered back "You are here, you are with me here" But there was a mirror separating us. I sat back up into a full lotus position and could see myself reflected in he mirror on the opposite side of my meditation candle. The walls of the light were so intense, I felt like I could touch the different mirrors that were around me, infinitely reflecting in each other. I was still pretty fucked up, my opened eyed visuals were insane but I gave my friend the safe word "hyperspace," which meant I was coherent enough to realize I was fucked up but coherent enough to pull myself out of it a enough to talk.

Since it was both our first time, and I was the first one to smoke it, of course my friend had apprehensions about the experience as I started to rave like a lunatic. I wasn't trying to ruin anything and give him to much but I wanted to tell him everything that happened, because that was a wild ride unlike any other I've been on.

In the end, I highly suggest this substance, I think it is my new favorite drug. I loved the immediate take hold affect where I hit the bong and basically everything on this physical plane melted away. One of my favorite parts of psychedelics is coming out refreshed and renewed from ego-death type experiences, and I loved that this drug had a pretty quick "come-down," enough to give you the afterglow and renewed sense of self without having to experience the the ego death for several hours. If you don't already believe in some "higher power" outside of yourself, this completely reaffirmed my beliefs in a nirvana type afterlife where we are nothing and everything all at once. Every emotion, every memory, every person, pure cosmic consciousness experienced all at once. It felt so right and so pure to melt into that ethereal plane, smashing and foregoing the ego to live forever in the moment. No ultimatums, no plans, no reason, just be.
 

ANC

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I ALWAYS stress to newcomers to DMT to keep their eyes closed, you will KNOW when it is finished...

Thanks for the report, awesome to have another person for whom the lights are going on.
 

ANC

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The thing with the eye opening early is that it tends to lead to negative experiences if you are not accustomed to it.
During the lab tests they did for The spirit molecule, they actualy had to go and buy some eye shutters like those you get on the plane, to stop people opening their eyes prematurely.

I have to add, that you seem to have a good synergy with the DMT, some people have to work at it very long before it will reveal anything more than the fractals and patterns.
Just so you know, your friend is not neccesarily going to go through the veil like you did, especialy when I consider the smallish dose.

What you guys should try is to load 50mg, and hit it after each other without reloading it, it works 9 out of 10 times, especialy once the pipe has been used a few times.
There seems to be a hyperspace side bonding when shareing a DMT smoke I can't quite explain, except my friend and I share a freakishly odd amount of visuals when we do.
 

PNW.DANK

Member
Hah, this thread makes me warm and fuzzy inside. I researched erowid and attempted my own extractions a few years ago without success but the process was very enlightening. Alkaloids are amazing compounds.

One burning question: phalaris arundinacea. Why do you use mimosa when this grass is so common? The tryptamine content may be somewhat lower but that's not applicaple when it's free.

powerful shit,
weak of mind beware.
_dank
 

AchillesLast

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Thanks for enjoying the trip report! After I went to hyperspace I have been stuck on dmt-nexus.com and reading to see if my experience was similar to others. Tomorrow I am going to start a sketch with an image of hyperspace that I seem to have stuck in my mind. I went back again to hyperspace today and I had a very similar experience, however it had a darker tinge to it. It was a lot harder for me to "find" myself when I came out of it. I think it was because a part of me did not want to let go as much and go as deep down the rabbit hole as I did last time. I didn't ready myself enough. Much respect to the power in this substance though. I had two other friends join me for the second time around. One of them was from the previous trip (whom I believe was VERY close to breaking through the first time) and the other, a newbie. We loaded another 35mg+ bowl expecting to use it all on the newbie, however he could not finish the bowl before the effects took hold. And two passes around the circle, 2/3 of broke through to hyperspace again on the same bowl. Amazing. What potency.

[on the side: a few sprinkles of powered mixed with a bowl of greens is a great way to get some insane open-eyed visuals without going all the way in. Just exploring the fractals. It lasts a minute or so, but you gotta remove yourself enough to get past the uncomfortable feeling you can get from being between worlds.]

Also thank you ANC for the remark about DMT being somewhat favorable to me. I have felt a VERY strong connection to the substance since my experiences. I feel that there is a very powerful energy alive in this molecule that I would enjoy to learn with and maybe eventually come to call an ally.

PNW.DANK: I am not familiar with phalaris arundinacea but since it's a grass you're going to have to do the A/B tek. By using mimosa hostilis you can do the STB tek, which does not require the acid step to break down the plant material. Instead you basically go right to extraction. And yes the grass is free, but mimosa bark is really cheap if you're going to extract it yourself. You will be amazed by how much spice the bark can yield.
 

ANC

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Containing DMT is one thing, seperating it from all the other alkaloids and fats is another matter, don't think I saw a phalarsis tek yet... Although I have read reports of running it through a weat juicer and taking about a teaspoon of the juice just like that.... I honestly can't say if it would work, it would need to have alkaloids to assist in oral uptake too then, similar to mimosa.

When you have done the DMT a few time you will learn that the only fear and darkness is that which you bring into your mind yourself.
Fear is a very base animal instinct, and there is almost nothing in life worth fearing.... you will learn that part on your own very soon... especialy once you learn to let go, empty your mind, quiet the little voice inside and take a few backflips through hyperspace in pure bliss... just fall into it like you fall into sleep. You can't make yourself sleep at night, you can only give yourself over to the experience of sleep. Switch off all the lights, put on some shpongle if you can' handle doing it in silence just yet.... and just DO IT. It has no teeth, it can not bite, it can not harm. It will only destroy that which you are NOT.
 

AchillesLast

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I shall not fear
fear is the mind killer
fear is the little death that brings total obliteration
Instead I will face my fear
I will allow it to pass over and through me
then I will turn the inner eye to see its path
where the fear is gone, there shall be nothing
only I shall remain.

If anyone is into Dune...that mantra rings even more truth after my experience.
 

ANC

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The spice extends life. The spice expands consciousness. The spice is vital to space travel.
 
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