DJ Short Blueberry Grow by Snafu (all organic)

KingHarvest

Active Member
Hey Snafu, Thank you for doing this journal on my all time favorite! Looks like you're doing a great job. I recently ordered DJ Short Blueberry as well and I'm looking forward to seeing your results. Sorry about #5 being a hermaphrodite. I was just wondering what it is about the bud structure of the other females that you don't like as much?
 

Snafu1236

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Hey Snafu, Thank you for doing this journal on my all time favorite! Looks like you're doing a great job. I recently ordered DJ Short Blueberry as well and I'm looking forward to seeing your results. Sorry about #5 being a hermaphrodite. I was just wondering what it is about the bud structure of the other females that you don't like as much?
Thank you for the kind words! I am happy to have you aboard. You came on at a nice time.

Yeah, sucks that #5 hermie'd but that's the dice you throw working with cannabis genetics.

Good question on the bud structure, and simple to answer. The buds on the other plants aren't nearly as big or smell as good. Hopefully this changes as we get further into flowering.
 

Snafu1236

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Cloning in process, oh man, I'm gonna be busy (in a good way that is..).
They say blueberry is difficult to clone. It's not, so don't be fooled. Just understand that it can take up to twice as long for roots to emerge when compared to other genetics.

For example, my Mr Nice Seeds "Medicine, Man" (originally White Rhino in the 1990s) pheno that I have been running for a little while now pops roots in less than five days. DJ Short's Blueberry can sometimes take 3-4 weeks. No joke. Some people will call that false, stating the plant will die in that amount of time.

But then I say, have you forgotten how to foliar spray? :D
 

KingHarvest

Active Member
I used to have a Blueberry plant that was given to me as a clone but never really liked it because it was too leafy. I had the same experience where it seemed to take forever to clone. They would eventually root but it usually took at least three weeks and they looked pretty stressed by that time. What do you foliar spray your clones with?
 

UnderCoverAgentOrange

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give it another 2 weeks for that smell to really kick in trust me..also when you start to flower these all the bud sights turned lightish green if you look back before flowers even form as shown in your pics but this also happens to me so basically im asking is..is this particular to the strain? i researched it and it could of been due to my cold temps the 72 hrs i left them in the dark before 12/12 but i see it on your plants also so just curios
 

Snafu1236

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give it another 2 weeks for that smell to really kick in trust me..also when you start to flower these all the bud sights turned lightish green if you look back before flowers even form as shown in your pics but this also happens to me so basically im asking is..is this particular to the strain? i researched it and it could of been due to my cold temps the 72 hrs i left them in the dark before 12/12 but i see it on your plants also so just curios
Hehe, thanks....I'm not too worried about the smell kicking up:)

Yes, lightening around the areas of future bud sites when a cannabis plant is sexually mature is actually quite typical. In my experience, I see it in the plant in general, and is not strain related.

However, this lightening becomes much more apparent on darker-leafed strains. In this particular case, Blueberry has a darker shade of green pigmenting its leafset, thus making future bud sites appear lighter than normal.

Colder temperatures could influence a darkening of the leaves, which would also make bud sites appear lighter. So, I do believe the cooler effect your plants experienced probably did have an influence.

But, who knows:)
 

Snafu1236

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looks fucking good man
Thanks man...things are coming along nicely. Got a hermied plant on #5, but I seem to be effectively controlling the amount of nanners coming out...at least for now.

Looking forward to seeing the buds begin to progress into their latter stages soon.
 

Snafu1236

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I used to have a Blueberry plant that was given to me as a clone but never really liked it because it was too leafy. I had the same experience where it seemed to take forever to clone. They would eventually root but it usually took at least three weeks and they looked pretty stressed by that time. What do you foliar spray your clones with?
I don't, actually, unless I really have to.

But, in the rarer cases that I do, I use a variety of things depending on the strain, growing condition, condition of clone, etc. There's lots of factors to take into account.

So, some examples are: water(not distilled) pressed seaweed, molasses, compost teas, vitamin B1(superthrive or something).....really anything depending on the condition.

If i was to buy a bottled something, I tend to gravitate towards House & Garden Magic Green...that stuff is actually pretty cool and works great on clones...thus lasting forever.

Of course, everything is diluted down to basically nothing...I mean I use maybe a drop of one of the above in a gallon of water. Somehitng like that.
 

Justcallmedude

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Man I hate to just keep saying how awesome this thread is, but i think this is the first account in a long time that I can remember hearing anything about foliar spraying; all be it's text is in the case of a rare clone that takes a while too root, still great stuff Snafu. Is it too early to be ready for the finish? lol
 

YNPirate

Member
Glad to hear about your recovery snafu. :lol: I gotta say this thread has made me come out of lurk-mode for the first time on RIU. That should speak for itself. Everything looks amazing and it's great watching the progression!

I noticed earlier in the thread you said you had run a Barney's Farm Vanilla Kush. Not to diverge too much from the topic at hand, but I'm curious how that turned out for you and whether you topped or trained her, and if so how she responded?
 

Snafu1236

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Glad to hear about your recovery snafu. :lol: I gotta say this thread has made me come out of lurk-mode for the first time on RIU. That should speak for itself. Everything looks amazing and it's great watching the progression!

I noticed earlier in the thread you said you had run a Barney's Farm Vanilla Kush. Not to diverge too much from the topic at hand, but I'm curious how that turned out for you and whether you topped or trained her, and if so how she responded?
Thank you for your kind words, and I am happy you've stepped into the light!

I have run Barney's Vanilla Kush, and currently have her cloned. I found a gem...she turns black around five weeks...working name is Black Vanilla:)

She responds well to topping and loves a good SCRoG. To view her, go here: https://www.rollitup.org/organics/490083-organic-vanilla-kush.html
 

Shrubs First

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Grow Journal
01/08/12
DJ Short Blueberry


01/08/12 Summary

***This grow is updated every Sunday***

  • 5 DJ Short Blueberry Plants sprouted from seed on 10/30/11; Today is Day 69 from seed
  • 3 Confirmed Females; 2 Males Culled
  • Flower Day 8
  • All Organic; Multiple growing methods

01/08/12 Notes


Since I updated just a few days ago, I decided to not update today with new pictures. However, I do wish to catalog the female plants thus far as a "Review Update", because I just noticed this thread is getting over 12+ pages without a single blueberry bud shot
However, this should show beginners that Cannabis growing is an art form and not a race.


Blueberry #2
(Seedling Stage and Topping)


Vegetative Stage


Flowering Stage




Blueberry #4
(Seedling Stage)


Vegetative Stage


Flowering Stage




Blueberry #5
(Seedling Stage)


Vegetative Stage


Flowering Stage


Hopefully we'll begin to see some bud formation beginning soon, hopefully in time for a 'prettier' update next week!

Lovely garden goin on man. Really enjoy seeing the green!
 

Snafu1236

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Thanks Shrubs, and, again, thank you for all of the solid input you have given me and the RIU community over the years.

For anyone reading this, Shrubs First is, in my opinion, one of the best growers in the RIU community, hands down. A true botanist.
 

YNPirate

Member
Wow, Snafu, that Vanilla Kush you've got there is something else!! You're absolutely right when you call her a gem. :leaf: Props! I'm hoping to be so lucky!
 

Snafu1236

Well-Known Member
Grow Journal
01/29/12
DJ Short Blueberry


01/29/12 Summary

***This grow is updated every Sunday***

  • 5 DJ Short Blueberry Plants sprouted from seed on 10/30/11; Today is Day 90 from seed

  • 3 Confirmed Females; 2 Males Culled

  • Flower Day 29

  • All Organic; Multiple growing methods

01/29/12 Notes ***NOTABLE DAY***: Today is exactly 90 days from seed/Plants are 3 Months Old exactly today

Good morning and happy Sunday!


Now that I am feeling a lot better, I am grateful to be able to do what I enjoy most...grow beautiful and exotic cannabis plants. It's amazing how easy it is to take for granted health and wellness...until you don't have it anymore.

But, I digress.

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The plants are doing well.

I am not extremely happy with the reworked genetics of DJ Short's Blueberry strain; the loss of his original male has made it difficult--if not impossible--to find the original Blueberry phenotype; more on that later. Furthermore, it is to my dismay that all Blueberry plants are showing signs of hermaphrodism now. All the Blueberry Phenos pictured in this thread are now hermaphroditic, as well as Blueberry #6 and BB#9 (both BB6 & 9 are not pictured in this thread).

It is important to note that his original Blueberry strain also had a relatively high propensity for hermaphrodism, especially the crinkled-leaf Blueberry muffin phenotype that everyone looked for. However, this tendency typically reared around week 6 of flowering and was generally easy to manage and control. These genetics I am working with now are all showing hermaphrodism around 3-4 weeks of flowering and is much more intense on throwing bananas than other, former seed packs I have gotten in years past.

Some would say that it is because of the intense topping and training they underwent at such an early age. However, topping and training truly do not "stress" a plant. As humans, we tend to anthropomorphize things that we don't truly understand, in an effort to help explain the world around us. In other words, it's easy to relate to everything on human terms, because we are humans ourselves.

However, plants are not humans and don't "stress" like we do. Plants have limiting factors, and when any one of those is reduced or instigated positively or negatively than all other limiting factors are equivalent to the least limiting factor. That last sentence easily gets reduced into a simple term "Stress", but it is really not stress in how we relate to it on human terms. It basically just limits the plants life-process capabilities.

Aside from past experience of this same exact method, as well as breeder recommendation for topping of this strain, the Blueberries in this thread are still producing male flowers. It is interesting to note that Blueberry #6 and Blueberry #9 were grown from seed and were never topped or trained, yet both are hermaphroditic.

Some will say that it is because light leaks are present in my setup. However, this is negated because I am also running my Black Vanilla (Barney's Vanilla Kush) clone and my Medicine, Man clone right next to the above Blueberry plants and they show ZERO bananas. Light leakage is not the issue.

My determination is that THIS 10 PACK OF DJ Short's reworked genetics of his Blueberry strain have a tendency to hermaphrodite in week 3 of flowering. This is not an all out determination of his entire genetic line...it is possible it is on this lot of seeds only. Furthermore, I do not believe I have found the true Blueberry Muffin, crinkle leaf phenotype that I was searching for. A lot of the Blueberry smell and taste comes out with a proper cure, long after harvesting. However, I have had experience with the Bluberry Muffin pheno and you usually see signs of her around this time in flowering.

I am not calling this judgement 100% right now. These are only early and somewhat premature observations at a very early stage of flowering. I just thought it was important to explain what I have been seeing firsthand as we are getting deeper into flowering, in hopes of helping any future Blueberry growers out there if they experience the same things.

Cannabis genetics are not a perfect science. It is important to note that Subcool, breeder of TGA Genetics and a moderator here on RIU, as well as a EXCELLENT cannabis grower, also has a documented grow on DJ Short's new Blueberry genetics and experienced extremely similar traits as me, such as week 3 hermaphrodism: Subcool's DJ Short Blueberry Grow

I am not attempting to flame DJ Short's Blueberry Strain Genetics at all. I am merely posting what my experience and observations have been thus far, and referencing an excellent organic grower, Subcool, who has experienced very similar traits as I have.

I do believe DJ Short's genetic line is of an extremely high caliber. I am starting to believe, however, that the original Blueberry muffin phenotype--the one that won the 2000 cannabis cup--is becoming increasingly more difficult to find in his current Blueberry genetic line, almost impossibly so. More testing and packs are needed to give this a more accurate assessment. However, I can not find one grow journal on the internet from DJ's new Blueberry genetic seeds that has found his Blueberry muffin phenotype from years past; I have only found journals from clone cuttings.

Hopefully I will be proved wrong.

On to the pics!



Blueberry #2: SCRoG/Week 4 Flower


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Blueberry #4: Staked/Week 4 Flower
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Blueberry #5: Staked/Week 4 Flower
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Snafu1236

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As a small addition to help anyone visiting, I wanted to post what the current breeder description is, and see if we can find this phenotype in the coming weeks.

Sex : Regular
Type : Indica, Sativa, Indica / Sativa, Mostly indica
Flowering : Photoperiod Genetics : Mostly Indica
Flowering Time : Medium Outdoor Harvest : N/A
Height : Medium THC Level : Medium
Characteristics : It produces a notable and pleasantly euphoric high of the highest quality

DJ Short Blueberry was developed from different new genetic lines, genetics that are unique to Europe. Not only Blueberry, but also Blue Velvet and Flo are developed from totally new genetics. These seed strains are of the highest quality and have not been grown in Europe before.

DJ Short Blueberry is a mostly Indica (80% Indica, 20%Sativa) strain, that dates to the late 1970`s. A large producer under optimum conditions. The Blueberry is a dense and stout plant with red, purple and finally blue hues, that usually cure to a lavender blue. The finished product has a very fruity aroma and taste of blueberry. It's cannabis seeds produce a notable and pleasantly euphoric high of the highest quality and is very long lasting. Medium to large calyxes. DJ Short Blueberry has a long shelf life, stores well over a long period.
 

Snafu1236

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They look great man but damn sorry bout the hermies... That's sucks..
It's not really a huge deal...cannabis' natural tendency is to hermaphrodite sooner or later. I plan on keeping the plants, I am effectively controlling the nanners for the moment.

I don't get super-personally attached to my plants, so I am not too disappointed. This thread was more of an exercise in education for RIU as to how to properly grow organic Blueberry, as well as how to properly setup a RIU forum thread.

I found myself getting annoyed with the caliber of threads here, so I figured instead of bitching about it, I'd try to lead by example.

I just wish I could take better pictures as well as have a better camera :)
 

Snafu1236

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One last thing...in order to prove the efficacy of these Blueberry plants, I plant on running a bunch of clones soon for a slew of tests.

I will be looking to see if they herm again for one. I will also be doing a few tests on Mycorrhizal innoculation, temperatures, nutrients, etc., because Blueberry is a great plant to test on as it responds quite quickly to any change in growing environment or methods.
 
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