SomeGuy
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The trigger is the thing methinks.

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Don't forget about caps Onyx vs Area 51 RW test.Awesome..thanks. That pretty much seals the deal for me. Think I'll be leaving monos alone for good after this run. Really enjoying the simplicity of white right now..
Very true. But I think a better comparison would be xgs 190 vs rw. They both seem to yield similarly. The cxas even more so.Don't forget about caps Onyx vs Area 51 RW test.
Somewhere around that it was over 1GPW of unseeded buds with some seeded buds having a few hundred seeds total maybe 300 if that.THNX BT, if I read your post right, you got over 1.25gr/W on your last round? How was the smoke?
yeah not a perfect comparison. Butt On the other hand keep in mind that the onyx uses warm white xml2s which has almost the same spectrum as the warm white cxa's, and we at least know from the comparison that at least one led light system out grew the onyx plain warm whites.Very true. But I think a better comparison would be xgs 190 vs rw. They both seem to yield similarly. The cxas even more so.
Cool white cxas mixed with red? Maybe but I think I'd still avoid the complication given similar end quality. Just wait for a different cob..
Hi supraNice work Cap looks like it will be a damn fine yield!
EF, sorry to hear that I steered you in the wrong direction for your build (I use the method of, sanding heatsink to 1000 grit US, using high performance thermal grease, pressing hard for 30 sec to create vacuum and thin even layer, add kapton tape to stop lateral movement.) I have installed and retired many hundreds of 20mm stars and COBs. If I had drilled them all to mount them, I'd still be working on it or I would have never got the projects done. Also, my heatsink surface would be drilled with thousands of holes but they currently have none which I appreciate. I have changed my 20mm setup 2 or 3 times and have already changed my COB setup 2 or 3 times and added 20mm to them. So in my case drilling and mounting them all would have been a nightmare. Flattening the heatsink surfaces however, was a job that only had to be done one time and continues to serve its purpose, so I believe it is a more worthwhile investment of time although not completely necessary to grow good bud.
The SOLERIQ test has nothing to do with comparing vacuum method vs COB holders, it has to do with screwing the COB directly VS screwing the COB holder. (That said, I am very skeptical that COB holders provide superior cooling over the vacuum method.) I am not defending the "screw down the COB directly" method and the article itself states: "screwing with too high torque can cause the CoB to bend which can have an adverse effect on the thermal interface." However there are problems with this demonstration I would like to point out.
The thermography scan cited did not contain enough information to determine anything conclusive. They failed to show the thermal scale and we have no idea how much power they are pumping through the COB. The more heat you run through it, the more the thermal interface comes into play. We have no idea how long they let the test run, did they allow enough time for thermal stabilization? Did the thermograph automatically adjust its thermal scale in each experiment or were they done side by side or with a fixed scale? Also, I would never advocate the use of a thermal pad regardless of mounting method and the test showed poor performance no matter which way it was screwed down with a thermal pad so I ignore A and C. And finally, we have no idea how they prepared the heatsink surface or what the surface is made of (could be plastic). It seems they used a relatively poor performing thermal grease (~6K/W, only half of the PK3 we use).
In summary, I would put my recommended mounting method up against any of these with full confidence that it would be the best thermal performer and would hold up with time. The only downside, it is not pretty, but it was not meant to be. Also, my method should not be used with stars smaller than 16mm because the vacuum pressure is not high enough to be reliable. I have sold lamps using the vacuum method to folks that trusted me and I want to reassure them. Again, this test has nothing to do with my argument, but I call BS that D would outperform B to any significant extent in practice. I accuse the experiment of being poorly designed or intentionally skewed but I am open to being proven wrong
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This is true but the Onyx runs the XML2s at about 2.1A and the A51 runs high efficiency reds at ~700mA if I recall. You can imagine the effect that must have on overall efficiency.yeah not a perfect comparison. Butt On the other hand keep in mind that the onyx uses warm white xml2s which has almost the same spectrum as the warm white cxa's, and we at least know from the comparison that at least one led light system out grew the onyx plain warm whites.
Thank you for your response, I really only need about 250-300W of cobb I think, as I am only using a 36"x20" tent right now but plan to upgrade to a 3'x3' soon, would it be possible you could send me a pm on what it would cost to put a unit together that size (for some reason I cant find the pm button lol) whenever is convienent for you...tksHi Predd, unfortunately the supply of (cheap) top bin CXAs has dried up currently so that has put a damper on things lately. But where there is a will there is a way. There is a big batch of CXA3590 3000K BD top bin for a fair price that could be used with the big Mean Well drivers for an extra large build. Another option is the CXA3070 Z2 bin which are still available and very affordable and could be used for a medium sized build. Although the top bins are awesome, I performed one quick experiment to measured the qualitative output of the Z2 vs Z4 vs AB and I did not see as large of a difference as I would have expected so that is some encouragement for Z2 or Vero29 builds.
Thanks guysAlso as I chose the HLG-185H which can handle five 3070's and I only have 4 on each driver (2 per heatsink) I was thinking about adding two 18v CXA1512 to the sting (1 per sink) to better max out the drivers. Either that or 12 XM-L2's (6 per sink) and was wondering if SupraSPL had the 1512 numbers so I can compare the two. I think the XM-L2 are probably the better choice but wanted to see what people though.
I didn't realize this but I can mount Vero's this way? I am using the Ezmate harnesses. This would make life a little less worrisome. The drilling and tapping is actually easier than I thought, but still a pain in ass.Yes the 3590 will fit on an Arctic 11 unless you use a COB holder in which case I am not sure it would fit. You said you use a thermal pad and grease? I would advide just the grease and squeeze it good to make a solid vacuum. Here is how I mounted the 3590s on Arctic 11. The tape is not to hold the COB onto the heatsink it is just to keep it from sliding sideways.
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Do you have a link to your passive heatsink? How hot do the heatsink get once it stabilizes? Yes the 3590 should be a lot brighter at 550mA than the 3070 would be.
http://www.rakuten.com/prod/nofan-cr-95c-copper-icepipe-fanless-cpu-cooler/246361829.html?Hi Super,
First here is the link to the passive heatsink for CR-80EH
http://www.quietpc.com/nof-icepipe?gclid=CMe84Kvc0cECFRMatAodRkQALQ
When I tested it with the 3590 running at 550ma in a closed box 60cm x 30cm with two pc fans running at 6V each and 20cm below the light, I ran it for 1 hour. When I opened the box and touched the heatsink close to the cob, it felt warm and I could hold my hand on it. PS. The fans are used to circulate the air for the plants and not to cool the heatsink.
Also did another test of running the cob without the pc fans, and after 1 hour it was still not hot enough for me not to be able to keep my hand on the heatsink. I think the secret was I was running my extractor fan 1 min. on and 5 min. off cycles.
As to the running of the unit and power consumption, I want to have a setup which is good enough to give me a good result, so for the 3070 I was going for 700ma. So I guess I am asking what would be a good current to run the 3590 for a similar result. Looking on the web I can pick up a cheap 1.05amps 42V driver so that is where I am heading at the moment.
By the way do you have any suggestions as how to connect the cob tc terminal to the driver so it can auto shutdown if the cob temps get too high. I know it can be done but not sure what I need and how hard it would be.
Building the cobs this way would give me a better feeling of doing the job right and not have to worry about blowing the cob up.