DiY LED - Cree CXA3070

Good point guys. Your reasoning about corn syrup and powdered milk have convinced me. Your product is better, and healthier, than all hydroponically grown weed. In fact, take it a step further. We're scum, and love to cut corners, so we grow inferior product to save money on our nutes!! Poisoning babies.

I wouldn't eat hydroponic tomatoes either, but that's just me.

They don't have poison in them. Hydroponic tomatoes are better. The higher the EC, the smaller, but juicier and more nutritious the tomatoes are.

I'm not going to let your negativity stop me from putting up a small dwc strawberry setup, just for personal consumption. That's exactly one of the things I've been looking to do, specifically because I want good strawberries. I'll specifically let everyone know they're hydroponic, in case they don't really want to eat them.

Rrog said:

I wouldn't eat hydroponic tomatoes either, but that's just me.

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Well, not sure many would agree with that at all, but have at 'em brother!

Church- curious do you think it's good to have your gut full of bacteria?

You'd die without bacteria in your gut. Plants don't care how they get their ions.

Soil needs bacteria to convert NH3 to nitrites, and then nitrates, but not if you provide those nitrates directly, and don't provide any NH3.

Work time.

Rrog said:

Well, not sure many would agree with that at all, but have at 'em brother!

Church- curious do you think it's good to have your gut full of bacteria?

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Back to LED talk for me, but you might someday want to read up on bacteria. You won't die without them, but you won't flourish. Plants are simpler, but the biodynamic relationship is still there. Food is only part of it.

Lol on the hydro dude and trying to convince us otherwise.

I think hydroponics has its place for man kind, especially if we keep buisnesss as usual.

But having said that, buisness as usual means keeping up the destruction of the ecology, and destruction of human health. Yes your product is poison,yes synthetic agriculture is part of the problem of destruction of ecology.

I think its a honer to have a member like rrog in here, i would look into his history, or shit look into mine, and supras and you will see organic grown herb that will make any other herb look like boo boo. Ive said it before and ill saay it agian, ive yet to have a hydroponic grown product that made a impresssion on me.
Tomatoes grown in chemicals, disgusting, cannabis grown in chemicals, eh pretty maybe, but disgusting when inhaaled and exhaled.

But once agian, buisness as usual will win in our society, its up to us sustainable organic growers to keep wht little nature we have left and sustain it instead of exploiting it

I am sure there are some expert hydro growers out there that have mastered their craft and produce fine buds (although I am with FFH I have not come across any hydro buds worth mentioning). But then there are hordes of chem growers buying nutes from the hydro shop and are just relying on bro science. When it comes to organic soil your main job is to make sure a nice variety of things rot aerobically and nature does the rest. I havent checked ph in years and I don't have to worry about disease, they all share the same recycled soil. Every part of the plant gets recycled even the stems.

So what advantages can hydro bring to the table that are worth "skipping" the biodynamic relationship that has existed for 450 million years? You are more likely to discover consequences than advantages if history is any guide.

Rrog said:

Church- curious do you think it's good to have your gut full of bacteria?

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I always thought your were born with bacteria in your gut that helps you in life. Antibiotics can kill it off and have detrimental effects on the body and you could die without it. there are lots of beneficial bacteria

lots of bad ones also, I'm in the process of growing ghost peppers hydroponically and I will be eating those. I also want to set up a kratky system for lettuce on my balcony but i'm pretty lazy.


Just to bring it back on topic I am diy'in the light on a shelf for the peppers from cree xml2's

You remove the soil and you remove the microbial association. Then no microbes to fend off bugs, bad microbes, and other maladies. Same with people and pets / animals. An un-natural diet will keep something alive, but prone to problems which then require more chems to vanquish

Why shouldn't we believe organic is just more bro science? Appeals to nature are a favorite fallacy in these parts.

Rrog said:

You remove the soil and you remove the microbial association. Then no microbes to fend off bugs, bad microbes, and other maladies. Same with people and pets / animals. An un-natural diet will keep something alive, but prone to problems which then require more chems to vanquish

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Not exactly

Soil that is mistreated (a wide variety of toxins in extremely small amounts) will kill off the good bacteria

My company actually sells SBOs (soil-based organisms) for cats and dogs. I take them too, hence the name PetFlora

I use only Hydroponic Research Veg+Bloom, which includes fulvic acid

Supra, have you seen my buds? The combination of V+B with the BML SPYDR is killin it

When I say "soil," I'm of course referring to a reasonable soil, not toxic soil. The rest of the statement stands

Organic Science was around before bros. Before Monsanto and Dow also.

20 CXA 3070 AB does generate some heat, but I think it's less than a 1,000 watt HID. A single 1,000 watter can't cover 40 square feet either. Can anyone recommend a good free photo hosting site?

Observe & Report said:

Why shouldn't we believe organic is just more bro science? Appeals to nature are a favorite fallacy in these parts.

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You can spend more on organic bottled nutes than chems. I would say that is bro science for sure. But when it comes to recycled organic soil, that is your best chance at getting it right by letting the plant do its thing.

CW, tinypic is an easy way to host and contrary to the name it works great for hi res.

Supra- when I go this route and build a mess of these, I can stay passive cooling?

I use photobucket

TinyPic just gave me the same popup that Photobucket did. Advertising and metrics are making the internet unusable.