Dispensary quality? I want to grow my own dirt!
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thenotsoesoteric
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Yeah, reasons like indoor is bug and mold spore free. Or not exposed to the elements so more resin stays intact. Yes if bud is grown in a greenhouse where bugs, mold and elements are controlled then it is just as fire as soil grown plants indoors. But most outdoor growers just have the plants right in the back yard.
My kick is the price issue and calling it medical. Meddy patients should not be limited to this kind of product simply because the indoor or greenhouse grown bud is $50-60 an eight, that is shady. Outdoor should never cost over $150 an oz. Hell, I'm strongly against even charging $45 an eight for even the most bomb of buds.
My kick is the price issue and calling it medical. Meddy patients should not be limited to this kind of product simply because the indoor or greenhouse grown bud is $50-60 an eight, that is shady. Outdoor should never cost over $150 an oz. Hell, I'm strongly against even charging $45 an eight for even the most bomb of buds.
This is the ultimate....if I paraphrase
you are saying outdoor isn't fit to be called medicine and justify that by saying indoor is "pure".
but I do agree with your pricing, to a point. MEDS SHOULD NOT COST OVER $50/OZ
if it is costing that much to produce...get out of the trade
sorry if I sound harsh.
you are saying outdoor isn't fit to be called medicine and justify that by saying indoor is "pure".
but I do agree with your pricing, to a point. MEDS SHOULD NOT COST OVER $50/OZ
if it is costing that much to produce...get out of the trade
sorry if I sound harsh.
PanaceaMMJ
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@Tempe420 these pics look solid.
Bottom line is this, a commercial product is always going to be a step behind an experienced grower who is hoovering over 6 plants in his spare bedroom and can spend 20 hours hand manicuring those 6 plants.
Dispensaries play an important role of legitimizing this industry, at the same time in an ideal world personal cultivation should not only be allowed - but encouraged. We work with a few dispensaries here in Arizona in several diffenet capacities and MOST of them do actually have their heart in the right spot. Sure they want run a successful business, but at the same time are simply trying to run a business in a VERY regulated environment.
Bottom line is this, a commercial product is always going to be a step behind an experienced grower who is hoovering over 6 plants in his spare bedroom and can spend 20 hours hand manicuring those 6 plants.
Dispensaries play an important role of legitimizing this industry, at the same time in an ideal world personal cultivation should not only be allowed - but encouraged. We work with a few dispensaries here in Arizona in several diffenet capacities and MOST of them do actually have their heart in the right spot. Sure they want run a successful business, but at the same time are simply trying to run a business in a VERY regulated environment.
thenotsoesoteric
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I did not say outdoor is not fit to be meds. I'm saying if there is bugs and mold spores in it, then no its not medical, it is fit for street sells only. If you want to call it medical it should be pest, dirt(dust, etc..), and mold free.
All bud label for medical should be 100 percent clean, if you can achieve that outdoor without a greenhouse then bump to you, but most can't prevent natural forces.
North Avalon
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I don't wanna trash my rl forum name in the AZ section.
I have to disagree, our LB collective's grow ops had 75 elite strains and the bud quality was never lack luster, we were in multiple mags and video shoots for our ganja. Everything is hand manicured by trustworthy trimmers who make 15-20 an hr or get paid in meds. The reason everything worked, growers had full oversight of grow spots. Nobody was touching plants who didn't belong and our fearless business leader did not mess with production. She understood that she was not a grower and focused on ways to get patients through the door and to the medicine like $35-$40 caps on eights. Without her the club would never have started but without our bud, it would have never succeeded like it did, she will be the first to admit. No bullshit micromanagement from either end and this collective flourished. Once the city was done stepping on all of the clubs we walked away with hefty pockets and plenty of work with other outfits.
From a brief stint in AZ, the amount of ego that oozes over a plant and the industry is totally nuts, this RIU section is nuts.
Businesses and people with no collective/dispensary/grow background are popping up like wack-a-moles, acting like pros and offering advice and others are eatin it up like a prime steak. A foolish beginner will try to ride the big wave but eventually they will crash and burn, taking down anyone near them.
Lucius Vorenus
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HB DC
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North Avalon
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Dont care to be in the mess, came zenned and left with a bad taste.
Lol ocean front, do you mean that stink pond by the state campus? I kid, I kid, AZ aint all bad.
Namaste
thenotsoesoteric
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That's mature.
Chimone
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Ya, its called Rocky Point
Free of neem and all the other things you indoor folks use to keep things pest free. I go not use any pesticides, All my girls get is homemade compost.
str8sativa
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i wouldnt call neem a pesticide. outdoor can be good but the bud pictured looks like it sat in someone truck for a year. have you ever forgot about some dank in your garage? find it a year later or so and its all yellow and has a shitty smell? thats what that nug looks like with that yellow tint
headtreep
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Azoned you're misinformed. Neem does a whole lot more than prevent potential pests. Do some research
AvonBarksdale
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Good luck on not using a pesticide when you actually get invaded. You might be changing your tune then.
Hi Avon,
...but I do get invaded
thrips, leafhoppers, white flies, grasshoppers, blister beetles...the grasshoppers and blister beetles, there is NOTHING you can do except hope they leave you some. I am not new to gardening here. I have lived down here longer than most of you are old.
the difference is when I get invaded, there is a very good chance a natural check to the problem will appear. In the closed environment of indoors, pest go crazy w/o predators. I have 6 legged pest control...here one variety
....and I am not saying YOU should not try to control them, but to say your product is "purer"....
...but I do get invaded
thrips, leafhoppers, white flies, grasshoppers, blister beetles...the grasshoppers and blister beetles, there is NOTHING you can do except hope they leave you some. I am not new to gardening here. I have lived down here longer than most of you are old.
the difference is when I get invaded, there is a very good chance a natural check to the problem will appear. In the closed environment of indoors, pest go crazy w/o predators. I have 6 legged pest control...here one variety
....and I am not saying YOU should not try to control them, but to say your product is "purer"....
headtreep
Well-Known Member
Again you're misinformed about neem.
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I still highly recommend the use of neem seed oil. Having said that, I bought bag of neem seed meal (aka neem seed cake) and have been making teas with this meal along with kelp meal. The meal contains 1,400ppm of Azadirachtin (same level as Dyna-Gro Neem Seed Oil) as well as the other active ingredients in neem seed products such as triterpenes. More specifically, limonoids such as azadirachtin, salannin, meliantriol, nimbin, nimbidin, meliantriol, deacetylazadirachtinol, salannin, salannol, 3-deacetylsalannin etc.
By not using the oil product specifically, it can also be used on your soils. Especially if you're having problems with gnats, root aphids, etc.
In this instance, the term cake and meal are interchangeable. Neem seed cake/meal is the dried residue after the oil has been pressed from the seeds.
All parts of the neem tree contain the agent Azadiractin (among 60+ others equally important) that provides a defense against molds, nematodes, leaf-eating insects, et al. This includes the leaves, bark, seeds, roots, branches, etc.
The pressing does not remove all of the oil or the active agents. The Azadiractin level of the meal is generally about 1/3 - 1/2 of the PPM level of the oil that was pressed, i.e. if the neem oil tests out at 1500 PPM for Azadiractin then you could figure that the meal/cake would come in at 500 PPM - 750 PPM.
The cake is helpful in any type of organic growing environment. It has a solid NPK profile (if you're one of those who subscribes to that paradigm), a complete micro-nutrient component as well as trace elements, phytohormones (Abscisic acid, Auxins, Cytokinins, Ethylene, Gibberellins) Vitamin C, citric acid, saponin, et al. providing improved conditions for the nitrification process, preventingroot rot and other anaerobic-related problems like root aphids, gnats, etc.
The neem seed cake also triggers a plant's defenses through a number of agents it contains resulting in systemic defense against the invasive powdery mildew issues.
The meal/cake can also be used to make an effective tea during those times of the grow/flower cycle where using the neem oil may not be the best option. 1/2 cup of neem seed meal/cake and 1/4 cup of kelp meal along with 1 tsp. of liquid silica into 5 gallons of water and then bubbled/brewed for 18 - 24 hours. This can be used to irrigate the plants as well as applying as a foliar spray.
I'd recommend the neem & karanja seed meals from NeemResource.com - it's organic. It's Fair trade. It's Inexpensive. It's Effective. And the woman who heads this organization is the most informed individual I've ever talked with on the subject of neem tree products in general.
And her products are from India. There's a lot of neem products coming in from China and Africa. That's not necessarily a bad thing. However, the neem tree industry in India goes back several centuries. The tree is part of the worship of several incarnations of the Godhead including Krishna, Ganesha, Vishnu, Shiva, et al. and it's a part of the culture in the production regions and the industry is tightly controlled by the Parker India Group.
For me I consider neem cake as important as my other 'must have' for gardening, i.e. kelp meal, alfalfa meal and rock dusts. [/FONT] [/TD]
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[TD="class: alt2"] Neem Oil
Neem oil is squeezed from the seeds of the neem tree. Neem oil has the active compound azadirachtin just like the meal but we now use it as a insect deterrent and a fungicide deterrent for the stalks and leaves. With steady application of this neem oil, fungi will never have a chance to settle on your plant leaves.
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Neem oil also controls black spot, powdery mildew, anthracnose and rust (fungus).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neem_oil
These components make the "base" of a quality foilar spray. They can be used with every spraying. There are other ingredients that could be used as the "base" but this has worked for me and others here on ICMAG. You certainly can use other items but know what you are working with and how to use it.
Next post will have information on "secondary" components that can be added to the "base". These "secondary" components can be added for certain situations and general preventatives. Recipes and instructions will be included. [/TD]
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[TD="class: alt2"][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Neem Seed Oil
I still highly recommend the use of neem seed oil. Having said that, I bought bag of neem seed meal (aka neem seed cake) and have been making teas with this meal along with kelp meal. The meal contains 1,400ppm of Azadirachtin (same level as Dyna-Gro Neem Seed Oil) as well as the other active ingredients in neem seed products such as triterpenes. More specifically, limonoids such as azadirachtin, salannin, meliantriol, nimbin, nimbidin, meliantriol, deacetylazadirachtinol, salannin, salannol, 3-deacetylsalannin etc.
By not using the oil product specifically, it can also be used on your soils. Especially if you're having problems with gnats, root aphids, etc.
In this instance, the term cake and meal are interchangeable. Neem seed cake/meal is the dried residue after the oil has been pressed from the seeds.
All parts of the neem tree contain the agent Azadiractin (among 60+ others equally important) that provides a defense against molds, nematodes, leaf-eating insects, et al. This includes the leaves, bark, seeds, roots, branches, etc.
The pressing does not remove all of the oil or the active agents. The Azadiractin level of the meal is generally about 1/3 - 1/2 of the PPM level of the oil that was pressed, i.e. if the neem oil tests out at 1500 PPM for Azadiractin then you could figure that the meal/cake would come in at 500 PPM - 750 PPM.
The cake is helpful in any type of organic growing environment. It has a solid NPK profile (if you're one of those who subscribes to that paradigm), a complete micro-nutrient component as well as trace elements, phytohormones (Abscisic acid, Auxins, Cytokinins, Ethylene, Gibberellins) Vitamin C, citric acid, saponin, et al. providing improved conditions for the nitrification process, preventingroot rot and other anaerobic-related problems like root aphids, gnats, etc.
The neem seed cake also triggers a plant's defenses through a number of agents it contains resulting in systemic defense against the invasive powdery mildew issues.
The meal/cake can also be used to make an effective tea during those times of the grow/flower cycle where using the neem oil may not be the best option. 1/2 cup of neem seed meal/cake and 1/4 cup of kelp meal along with 1 tsp. of liquid silica into 5 gallons of water and then bubbled/brewed for 18 - 24 hours. This can be used to irrigate the plants as well as applying as a foliar spray.
I'd recommend the neem & karanja seed meals from NeemResource.com - it's organic. It's Fair trade. It's Inexpensive. It's Effective. And the woman who heads this organization is the most informed individual I've ever talked with on the subject of neem tree products in general.
And her products are from India. There's a lot of neem products coming in from China and Africa. That's not necessarily a bad thing. However, the neem tree industry in India goes back several centuries. The tree is part of the worship of several incarnations of the Godhead including Krishna, Ganesha, Vishnu, Shiva, et al. and it's a part of the culture in the production regions and the industry is tightly controlled by the Parker India Group.
For me I consider neem cake as important as my other 'must have' for gardening, i.e. kelp meal, alfalfa meal and rock dusts. [/FONT] [/TD]
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[TD="class: alt2"] Neem Oil
Neem oil is squeezed from the seeds of the neem tree. Neem oil has the active compound azadirachtin just like the meal but we now use it as a insect deterrent and a fungicide deterrent for the stalks and leaves. With steady application of this neem oil, fungi will never have a chance to settle on your plant leaves.
Wiki Quote
Neem oil also controls black spot, powdery mildew, anthracnose and rust (fungus).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neem_oil
These components make the "base" of a quality foilar spray. They can be used with every spraying. There are other ingredients that could be used as the "base" but this has worked for me and others here on ICMAG. You certainly can use other items but know what you are working with and how to use it.
Next post will have information on "secondary" components that can be added to the "base". These "secondary" components can be added for certain situations and general preventatives. Recipes and instructions will be included. [/TD]
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