Did Ron Paul Win Iowa, Nevada, Minnesota, Colorado and Missouri?

CinnamonGirl said:

I don't understand the benefit of 100% illegal over some states legal. . . a place where peace loving pot-smokers could go and live without fear. . .life is short. . .I don't think there is enough time for me to wait for everyone to agree. . .why do I have to get anyone's permission to grow a plant is just confusing.. at least with Ron Paul, whether or not it is actually true, there seems to be a micron of hope that there is someone out there who still believes that people are the best managers of their lives--not the government.

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deprave said:

Nope, he is not even in the 2% actually, he makes only like 200 grand a year, hardly a millionaire....the one percent is over 700 grand a year I believe. THe other canididates are 5 times richer at the minimum . Ron Paul also doesn't get congressional bennifits and he vowed to take 39k a year as president. Ron Paul has one house its worth 280 grand.

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Catchin22 said:

It's not in any way opposed to the American dream (not that the statement is merely a talking point) at all, in fact it's very much in favor of it. It wouldn't even necessarily need a large bureaucracy at all. Don't take everything at face value. Higher tax rates are a great solution and don't require any more burden to implement. Warren Buffet one of the wealthiest people in the world is in large favor of much higher tax rates on the well off. Anyone making over 2 million or more a year should be paying 50% in tax.

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Catchin22 said:

You're making asinine assumptions. Not once did I mention tariffs. China being a labor abundant country has nothing to do with it, you go on to say our manufacturing sector alone is as large as Chinas entire economy... You have a lot to learn about China.

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Catchin22 said:

You're in denial about capitalism. That's just as dangerous as a pure state of communism, if not more so.

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Dan Kone said:

If you count the dividends Ron Paul receives every year from insider trading he makes much more than $200k a year.

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lifegoesonbrah said:

They don't even pay their fair share now because of loopholes in our tax system, they certainly would avoid paying 50% without complete oversight. (big ass expensive bureaucracy) You actually think that the Mitt Romney's of the world would actually pay a 50% tax?




Well, the only ways that I can think of to restrict imports is either tariffs, quotas, or subsidies. Tariffs would increase price levels for consumers. Quotas would restrict supply, therefore increasing price levels for consumers. Subsidies would increase government expenditure, increasing tax rates. I wouldn't have to make assumptions if you would be specific. How and why would we restrict imports? What do I have to learn about China?




lol. I am so dangerous with my crazy free market ideals.

A wise and frugal government which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government. – Thomas Jefferson (1801)

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Dan Kone said:

If you count the dividends Ron Paul receives every year from insider trading he makes much more than $200k a year.

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lifegoesonbrah said:

Based on what?

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Carne Seca said:

The hell you say! Can you point me to a link? I would love to read that little tidbit.

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abandonconflict said:

You are crazy with the free market ideals. You are basically saying "have faith". Have faith that corporations won't be in bed with politicians and have even more autonomy?

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abandonconflict said:

What is free about a market where corporations have the upper hand over consumers? Yeah let the corporations decide what to shove down everyone's throats. Stop hindering them from raping the environment. Yeah that will fix everything. All because someone says that competition breeds innovation.

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abandonconflict said:

I don't see anyone pointing to facts about the free market unless they are arguing against free market principals. Even Paul is basically saying to have faith that the free market can fix the economy.

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Carne Seca said:

The hell you say! Can you point me to a link? I would love to read that little tidbit.

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Congressional financial-disclosure forms report holdings only in wide dollar ranges (for example, $15,001 to $50,000). If Rep. Paul owned gold bullion, estimating his investment performance would be fairly easy. But he doesn’t; he owns gold-mining stocks instead. And since the size of each stock holding is disclosed only within a broad band of valuation, there’s no way an outside observer can derive a long-term rate of return for Rep. Paul’s portfolio (or for any other member of Congress, for that matter). We did ask for comment, but his office didn’t respond.

There isn’t much doubt that Rep. Paul’s portfolio has outperformed the U.S. stock market as a whole. Ten years ago, the ​

NYSE Arca Gold BUGS Index

, a basket of stocks in mining companies, was at $65; this week, it’s at $522. That’s roughly a 23% average annual return; over the past decade, by contrast, the Standard & Poor’s 500-stock index, counting dividends, has returned some 2.9% annually.​

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Dan Kone said:

He makes his money short selling and then takes the profits and invests it in real estate.

Congressmen can make a shit ton of money shortselling and always make the right bets because they get information the rest of us don't have access to.

Then he invests in start up mining companies (which is pretty safe bet when you know which mining companies are going to be permitted to mine where in advance). It's like having a slot machine that pays out every time.

I'll look for a link.

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Dan Kone said:

Here's an interesting little tid bit



So Ron Paul's portfolio out performed S&P's by nearly 1000%. lol. Yeah, that's legit.

Unfortunately congress has rigged the rules so you can't tell exactly what they are doing or how they are doing it. But when you see someone beat S&P averages by nearly 1000%, well either he's the luckiest person in the history of the world or he's using insider information. There is no amount of skill that produces a result like that.

He's stock portfolio is worth somewhere between $2.5-5 million dollars, no one knows for sure. But if he's getting insane dividends like that, you can bet it's growing fast and he's making much much more than $200k per year. If he's getting ~23% return annually on more than 60% of his portfolio, well it's pretty easy to figure out that this is a significant amount of change.

http://blogs.wsj.com/totalreturn/2012/01/05/how-weird-is-ron-pauls-portfolio/

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Dan Kone said:

Here's an interesting little tid bit



So Ron Paul's portfolio out performed S&P's by nearly 1000%. lol. Yeah, that's legit.

Unfortunately congress has rigged the rules so you can't tell exactly what they are doing or how they are doing it. But when you see someone beat S&P averages by nearly 1000%, well either he's the luckiest person in the history of the world or he's using insider information. There is no amount of skill that produces a result like that.

He's stock portfolio is worth somewhere between $2.5-5 million dollars, no one knows for sure. But if he's getting insane dividends like that, you can bet it's growing fast and he's making much much more than $200k per year. If he's getting ~23% return annually on more than 60% of his portfolio, well it's pretty easy to figure out that this is a significant amount of change.

http://blogs.wsj.com/totalreturn/2012/01/05/how-weird-is-ron-pauls-portfolio/

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Dan Kone said:

He makes his money short selling and then takes the profits and invests it in real estate.

Congressmen can make a shit ton of money shortselling and always make the right bets because they get information the rest of us don't have access to.

Then he invests in start up mining companies (which is pretty safe bet when you know which mining companies are going to be permitted to mine where in advance). It's like having a slot machine that pays out every time.

I'll look for a link.

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timeismoney1 said:

Ron Paul 2012!!

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Dan Kone said:

If you count the dividends Ron Paul receives every year from insider trading he makes much more than $200k a year.

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lifegoesonbrah said:

You first accused him of insider trading now you're trying to accuse him of doing well with his portfolio. Maybe he set up a good retirement for himself through investment and that is why he is refusing to take the congressional pension.

You Paul haters can't find any dirt on him. you got nothin!

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abandonconflict said:

Then why does the GOP pretend he doesn't exist?

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