Did I do something wrong when cloning?

Situation420

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If he has a dome and fills up the tray with water to just touching the bottom of the cubes everything will be perfect. That is how the trays are designed to be used. Also your not supposed to remove the other cubes from the tray and keep your environment sterile to avoid mold and algae.

Also, how can you overwater when you can cut clones and suspend them in oxygenated water for 2 weeks and they will still grow and not get moldy. Its the lack of oxygen from stagnate water that overwatering causes not the mere fact that there is too much water.
 

joe macclennan

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wtf ever doood

Not gonna argue with some fool on the net bout this.

I use that exact same tray w/insert and a dome and only water the cubes before cloning and at about day 5-7 depending on size of clones.

I consistently take 7-13" clones successfully with roots at 7-14 days.

I can say for a fact that the drier you keep the cubes the better off you are.
 

Situation420

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I'm trying to give him advice that is easier for him to use. The risk of underwatering is far greater that overwatering with clones. I appreciate you calling me a fool when all i am doing is trying to help the kid out. I use those exact trays and have a 100% success rate with my clones doing what I told him. I don't care if you used thousands of rapid rooter cubes that means nothing. There are people that do the same thing thousands of times a day and still are not as good as others that do it once. Its about improving on what you do daily not doing the same thing over and over. Check out Kaizan method

Hey also you can't go by the amount of days for your clones. You have to look at the roots. If the rootmass is starting to go through those holes in the bottom then its time to transplant into a mild nutrient based solution with beneficial bacteria and rooting enzymes.
 

joe macclennan

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after reading a few of your previous posts in other threads it is obvious you are just the argumentative type. So I am done here.

To the op. You have two entirely diff. points of views here.

One, water the fuck out of em and hope you don't start growing mold on the stems inside the cube.

Two, start letting them dry out and force them to look for water and nutrients by making roots.


I can say from experience that if you keep the saturation level to a minimum I have seen roots in as few as 5 days. When oversaturated it often takes two weeks or longer. Sometimes they will not root at all. Kind of a basic principle of cloning.

My success rate is pretty high as well. I am not going to claim 100% like some but 80-90% is not out of the question.

good luck.
 

Situation420

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you cant oversaturate them if you just fill the water level to the bottom of the cubes in the trays why is this hard to understand?
 

Situation420

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you cant overwater rapid rooter cubes if you allow for the proper drainage. Thats what makes them so good to use. They hold the perfect amount of moisture
you took that out of context buddy, I said you cant overwater them if you provide the proper drainage
 

ogderp

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Ok I did what you said and cut the fan leaves back even more and I left the dome off for a few minutes. I put just enough distilled water in the tray to cover the whole surface when I was putting it togetherimage.jpg

, so probably 1 cm in depth at the most. I'll hold off on watering them for at least a few days and hopefully things will get better. Here's an updated pic as well.
 

Situation420

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Thats looks perfect! once you put the dome back on. So you ended up filling the tray until the water just touched the bottom of the cube ? This way it constantly draws up water to keep the cubes perfectly watered.
 

joe macclennan

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One more thing og, clones require very little light to set roots. you may want to back off your light. I run 56 watts of t5's to light up 16 sq ft of cloning bench. This is almost too much.

edit: I don't care what this guy says. It is completely unnecessary to fill up the bottom of your tray with water, and will retard root growth. Proper humidity and temp. Is far more crucial.
 

Situation420

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yea true joe i was thinking the same thing too but once he puts on that dome that is covered in humidity hes gonna lose almost 50% of his light he used
 

joe macclennan

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still looks pretty bright to me. What size cfl?

edit: 9 watt cfl should be plenty I would put it 15-24" up.

Again, they need very little light to set roots. Too bright of light will cause wilting as well.

The moisture on the inside of the dome looks good.
 

Situation420

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moving that light another 6 inches away cant hurt... actually you light is definitely too close and powerful. I looked at the picture again and you can tell because the top of the dome is dry meaning that there is too much heat hitting it. back it off until you start to see moisture form on the top of the dome as well
 
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