Detection questions& concerns with flower room set up and grow. All help appreciated.

My friend is about to set up his flowering room which is about 8ftx8ftx8ft.
Just needed some advice on the set up or any additional input anyone could add would be greatly appreciated. He plans on using soil.

I first will address the most important questions he needs to be answered and then i will explain the further lay out of the room and its design. Thanks again.

*Firstly, he hopes to use 2 x 1000 watts HPS. If he lives in a large 2,500 sq ft (could be more- worst case scenario) house with at least 4 bedrooms (could even be considered 6 cause of extra rooms). Does anyone think that this could be a problem for heat detection or electricity wattage? He plans on air cooling the lights with at least a 300 cfm inline fan and exhausting the system with a can100 fan and carbon filter.

* The biggest question and concern is about the cops? obviously not wanting to get caught.. does this set up sound safe and if not what do you recommend doing? what can he do to prevent thermal detection and or electricity detection from the power company and 5-0. obviously he will be adding a few circulation fans.

*Secondly how many plants do you think he should do in this space for maximum yield and what techniques do you recommend using?

The plants will be vegged in a separate cabinet then placed into the flowering room.

These will be grown in soil and he hopes to produce maximum yield. He basically has a set plan but would like to know further advice. Here it goes:

Room- Walk in closet will be coated in flat white paint to be ultra reflective. Any other suggestions?

Lighting - He was thinking 2x 1000 watts hps that will have air cooled reflective hoods and will be cooled by a 200-300 cfm inline fan. What do you think and any suggestions on particular brands?

Ventilation - 2 fans maybe more depending on suggestions. He will cut holes in the door of the closet to properly fit fans. One exhaust fan near the top of the door probably a can100 with carbon filter which will exhaust around 700 cfm like one mentioned above and one in-take fan near the bottom probably moving around 300 cfm will be connected to the air cooled reflectors or hoods of both 1000w lights. How many cfm's do you think are required to properly control heat, odor, and proper airflow throughout the room? Also any particular brands suggestions will be appreciated. A portable ac unit may be added to cool down closet if need be. Oscillating fans 2-3 will be added in the room to properly circulate airflow throughout the room. Also a humidifier will be added to help control humidity.

Odor control - Will add a carbon filter to exhaust can100 fan model to the top of the door. Will probably just by the package deal. Or will purchase ozone generator or machine or whatever they are called to control smell or maybe both. What do u suggest for this size room? Any particular brands would be much appreciated.

That pretty much sums it up. If you have any more questions feel free to ask.

All advice or suggestions will be appreciated. Even critiques or negative views. He wants to do this the right way as he will go for ultimate yield and he wishes to also just have a fun and enjoyable experience through this journey. I know all of you are the right people to ask. Thanks for all your help, it is greatly appreciated.

Brick Top said:

Your "friend" can at least somewhat offset the increased electrical usage by cutting down on the usage of electricity for other purposes. If your "friend" has an electric water heater tell him to put a timer on it so it only runs for an hour or so early in the morning so he has hot water for a morning shower and then for it to run again for an hour before bedtime so if someone wants to shower then.

Heat – A/C temperatures can be changed by around two degrees to help save some electricity too.

Many electrical appliances will leak a small amount of electricity when not used so anything that can be unplugged because it is seldom used can be unplugged.

Tell your "friend" to only use lights in rooms he/they are in and then keep them to a minimum and to turn off as many lights as possible. Switching to CFL’s for lights in rooms will also help somewhat.

To beat thermal imaging tell your "friend" to use C-3 anti-detection film. C-3 is a specialized type of Mylar that exhibits the same properties as the 2mm thick Mylar, but in addition to reflecting approximately 92-97% of the light, it also is 90% infrared proof, making a grow room all but invisible to IR scanning. This can also be attached in the same manner as Foylon or Mylar, and the same caution should be used to avoid creating hotspots in the room.

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Thanks for all your help. what do you mean exactly though by avoid creating hot spots in the room? and how would i prevent that?

Thanks again for all the other helpful tips

i may be way off here but why such a huge grow space?
that could yeild massive amounts of " ".....the elctric company can measure where your light source is used mostly as well, perhaps and i'm not sure but that could be a HOT spot? they can detect wattage and time schedules for example if your friend is using a timer for 12/12 dead give away the time comes on at say ^ and goes off at ^....ya know :common sense: and for that size room almost a dead giveaway. So unless your friend is growing outside i would suggest a smaller room period! a three by three is plenty room for substantial grow.mylar helps in keeping areas cooler than say a nice coating of white paint. Just my three cents....good luck!!!

LADYF** said:

".....the elctric company can measure where your light source is used mostly as well, perhaps and i'm not sure but that could be a HOT spot? they can detect wattage and time schedules for example if your friend is using a timer for 12/12 dead give away the time comes on at say ^ and goes off at ^....ya know :common sense: and for that size room almost a dead giveaway. !!

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what???
1)The electric company cannot, i repeat, cannot measure where your pulling juice from, no way no how...
2)there are electric companies which have meters that can record times of usage so you're partly correct there... one easy way to tell is if a meter man comes and reads meter every month then ur ok. If the do it through the internet then some steps need to be taken to keep spikes to a min...
3)size of room has nothing to do with electric usage, and i'd say for a house that size that 2kw for lighting is not going to create any issues...
4)the hot spot he was referring to comes from bending mylar or foylon whatever and it creates a spot that reflects so brightly it causes a "hot spot" and burns the plant leaves...
5)to get by infared detection i would just get the c-3, or they make a type of insulation sold at your local hardware store that can be put up on walls, reflects 97% of heat signature...

not trying to be a dik in this post at all but your reply seems very silly and is bad info... i'm not a pro but i don't comment if i don't know wtf i'm saying..

when you make posts put them in the right forum. dont post a million of the same thing everywhere.

i would really like to know if the "c 3" that has been mentioned does really stop thermal imaging detection from the helicopter that flies above your grow room? also what is c3?

Luv2Gro said:

what???
1)The electric company cannot, i repeat, cannot measure where your pulling juice from, no way no how...
2)there are electric companies which have meters that can record times of usage so you're partly correct there... one easy way to tell is if a meter man comes and reads meter every month then ur ok. If the do it through the internet then some steps need to be taken to keep spikes to a min...
3)size of room has nothing to do with electric usage, and i'd say for a house that size that 2kw for lighting is not going to create any issues...
4)the hot spot he was referring to comes from bending mylar or foylon whatever and it creates a spot that reflects so brightly it causes a "hot spot" and burns the plant leaves...
5)to get by infared detection i would just get the c-3, or they make a type of insulation sold at your local hardware store that can be put up on walls, reflects 97% of heat signature...

not trying to be a dik in this post at all but your reply seems very silly and is bad info... i'm not a pro but i don't comment if i don't know wtf i'm saying..

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You're right on all points aside from #4. A hot spot does not burn plants leaves, it is simply when reflective material is not properly applied to walls, and has folds or wrinkles in it, which reflect light from different angles to the same point, which heats up more than the rest of the room. This leads to uneven temperatures throughout the room which can make it harder to keep temperatures within optimal limits.