Democrats on board to roll back banking regulations- again

[abandonconflict]

What's the end result?

You would let the Democratic Party off the hook for the destruction of our economic system.

That's your choice. We disagree.

To clarify, the only ones who seem to agree with you lately aside from the other two braindead bernouts are Trumptards.

Here's how Bernie will still win?

 

[PCXV]

William Jefferson Clinton was a democratic President.

Keep spinning, your dizzy bullshit is at least entertaining.

You can hold Democrats accountable without equating them with Republicans. Republicans benefit from rhetoric that equates the parties. Democrats are nowhere near as blatantly misleading and misanthropic as Republicans.

 

[ttystikk]

To clarify, the only ones who seem to agree with you lately aside from the other two braindead bernouts are Trumptards.

Here's how Bernie will still win?

So you're saying that you're close minded.

Confirmation is unnecessary.

 

[ttystikk]

You can hold Democrats accountable without equating them with Republicans. Republicans benefit from rhetoric that equates the parties. Democrats are nowhere near as blatantly misleading and misanthropic as Republicans.

I'm not sure I agree; they SAY they're different but they take the same corrupt cash from the same elites and end up passing the same shit that hurts the 99%.

 

[Fogdog]

To clarify, the only ones who seem to agree with you lately aside from the other two braindead bernouts are Trumptards.

Here's how Bernie will still win?

That's a suspicion of mine too.

Bernie has bent over backwards to coddle prideful whites. If enough Trump supporters could be peeled away from right wing policies against the ACA and what the GOP has convinced their base is "low taxes" and "small government", he might get the numbers to win out. It's not the Democratic party I want. His biggest obstacle is the same one that stopped him in 2016 primary. Black, Hispanic and women voters can't appreciate the deafness he shows to social issues. Still, I'd vote for anybody than a Republican in the general election these days. I'd even vote for old white "not-a-racist" Bernie if he won our nomination. Probably a lot of black, Hispanic and women voters too.

 

[abandonconflict]

That's a suspicion of mine too.

Bernie has bent over backwards to coddle prideful whites. If enough Trump supporters could be peeled away from right wing policies against the ACA and what the GOP has convinced their base is "low taxes" and "small government", he might get the numbers to win out. It's not the Democratic party I want. His biggest obstacle is the same one that stopped him in 2016 primary. Black, Hispanic and women voters can't appreciate the deafness he shows to social issues. Still, I'd vote for anybody than a Republican in the general election these days. I'd even vote for old white "not-a-racist" Bernie if he won our nomination. Probably a lot of black, Hispanic and women voters too.

I'd rather see an establishment demo win than a populist who panders to white nationalists.

 

[Fogdog]

I'd rather see an establishment demo win than a populist who panders to white nationalists.

I don't want it either. It's just that I think you hit on what his strategy is. It could work. White people who aren't overt racists but are uncomfortable with racial issues make up probably the largest voting block in the US. Bernie exudes discomfort with racial issues.

 

[ttystikk]

I'd rather see an establishment demo win than a populist who panders to white nationalists.

This is batshit crazy.

 

[abandonconflict]

I don't want it either. It's just that I think you hit on what his strategy is. It could work. White people who aren't overt racists but are uncomfortable with racial issues make up probably the largest voting block in the US. Bernie exudes discomfort with racial issues.

It worked for Trump.

 

[Fogdog]

This is batshit crazy.

You have more faith in Bernie than is realistic. Bernie has been a very divisive and detached politician his whole career. If he had been reaching out to those who didn't support him or had worked to bring the party together last year I'd feel differently about him. He's not an idiot troll for right wing propaganda like you are but he's not demonstrated any capacity to lead a large government.

 

[ttystikk]

You have more faith in Bernie than is realistic. Bernie has been a very divisive and detached politician his whole career. If he had been reaching out to those who didn't support him or had worked to bring the party together last year I'd feel differently about him. He's not an idiot troll for right wing propaganda like you are but he's not demonstrated any capacity to lead a large government.

You have more blind Faith in Democrats than is rational.

Here's what state level Democrats are doing for the rich, at the expense of the vast majority of their constituents;

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/democrats-push-cut-taxes-wealthy/

There seems to be a pattern here.

 

[Fogdog]

You have more blind Faith in Democrats than is rational.

Here's what state level Democrats are doing for the rich, at the expense of the vast majority of their constituents;

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/democrats-push-cut-taxes-wealthy/

There seems to be a pattern here.

In Oregon our Democratically controlled state legislature recently disallowed deductions at the state level for pass through businesses that would have mirrored and boosted a windfall in deductions under the new federal tax code. Republicans fought tooth and nail to keep Oregon's tax codes for deductions in line with federal ones. The changes made by Republican Congress in DC would have cost the state about 100 million dollars in revenue, all of which would benefit Oregonians with $400,000 or more annual income.

so, no, I don't see Democrats in my state pushing tax cuts for the wealthy. I don't see a pattern of kowtowing to the wealthy by Democrats in Oregon. Quite the opposite.

http://registerguard.com/rg/news/lo...tax-break-sb-1528-now-heads-to-gov.-brown.csp

Gov Brown is gong to sign it. Oregon can't afford that tax cut any more than the US could afford the one Republicans made late last year.

What I see you doing is focusing on negative stuff about Democrats to the exclusion of all the positive. I don't know all the issues in all the other states. From the crap you lay down at RIU, neither do you .There is no way that anybody could understand what iis going on from that article you posted. From the surface and from the writer's tone, it seems fishy. But you know what? Jerry Brown isn't in the pocket of the big business donors. Democratically controlled government in Sacramento is doing a great job bringing back California's fiscal health after years of decline during Republican dominance. I'm willing to bet if I dug into the issue discussed in that article, I'd find the reasons are less than insidious.

That's the difference between a skeptic like me and a cynic like you. You stop when your bias is confirmed. I don't have your bias. I'm not going to do a deep dive into California's tax laws but I also an not jumping in with both feet about "dirty Democrats" over that one article.

The Democratic Party in MY STATE is pretty damn good. We had a hard road scraping dirty Republican dog shit out of office in Salem and now control the state legislature and governor's office. We are taking measures to protect people left out in the cold by depredations made by Republicans to the ACA, we disallowed passing on corrupt tax cuts for the wealthy, all of our police departments in our state have a policy of not aiding federal immigration agents. We only have one Republican Representative in Washington who is a real shithead and the Democrats from Oregon are pretty damn good.

So fuck off with your "all Democrats are bad" It's the Republicans who are the problem.

 

[Fogdog]

I did dig into the issue a bit deeper and sure enough, the "tax cut for the wealthy" that article talked about was propaganda bs. The issue was created by Republicans in Washington when they capped deductions as a part of the tax bill/tax cut for the wealthy they passed in late December. Democrats are serving constituents and communities who are hit by those caps. This isn't some tax cut for the wealthy. It's a response to help constituents harmed by Republican backstabbing of states with a high cost of living. It's a very Democratic thing to do and I'm proud to read that Democrats are responding at the state level to help those harmed by the venal GOP Congress.

Very common propaganda tool of fascism is to claim the "other" is doing what the fasicists are doing. @ttystikk is a useful idiot to the fascists in Washington by repeating their propaganda bullshit.

 

[ttystikk]

In Oregon our Democratically controlled state legislature recently disallowed deductions at the state level for pass through businesses that would have mirrored and boosted a windfall in deductions under the new federal tax code. Republicans fought tooth and nail to keep Oregon's tax codes for deductions in line with federal ones. The changes made by Republican Congress in DC would have cost the state about 100 million dollars in revenue, all of which would benefit Oregonians with $400,000 or more annual income.

so, no, I don't see Democrats in my state pushing tax cuts for the wealthy. I don't see a pattern of kowtowing to the wealthy by Democrats in Oregon. Quite the opposite.

http://registerguard.com/rg/news/lo...tax-break-sb-1528-now-heads-to-gov.-brown.csp

Gov Brown is gong to sign it. Oregon can't afford that tax cut any more than the US could afford the one Republicans made late last year.

What I see you doing is focusing on negative stuff about Democrats to the exclusion of all the positive. I don't know all the issues in all the other states. From the crap you lay down at RIU, neither do you .There is no way that anybody could understand what iis going on from that article you posted. From the surface and from the writer's tone, it seems fishy. But you know what? Jerry Brown isn't in the pocket of the big business donors. Democratically controlled government in Sacramento is doing a great job bringing back California's fiscal health after years of decline during Republican dominance. I'm willing to bet if I dug into the issue discussed in that article, I'd find the reasons are less than insidious.

That's the difference between a skeptic like me and a cynic like you. You stop when your bias is confirmed. I don't have your bias. I'm not going to do a deep dive into California's tax laws but I also an not jumping in with both feet about "dirty Democrats" over that one article.

The Democratic Party in MY STATE is pretty damn good. We had a hard road scraping dirty Republican dog shit out of office in Salem and now control the state legislature and governor's office. We are taking measures to protect people left out in the cold by depredations made by Republicans to the ACA, we disallowed passing on corrupt tax cuts for the wealthy, all of our police departments in our state have a policy of not aiding federal immigration agents. We only have one Republican Representative in Washington who is a real shithead and the Democrats from Oregon are pretty damn good.

So fuck off with your "all Democrats are bad" It's the Republicans who are the problem.

You're just a sucker.

The idea that state level Democrats doing a good little deed lets the dirty dozen Democratic US Senators off the hook for getting Dodd-Frank is an amateur hour shell game. The sad thing is that you actually believe your own line of drivel.

 

[ttystikk]

I did dig into the issue a bit deeper and sure enough, the "tax cut for the wealthy" that article talked about was propaganda bs. The issue was created by Republicans in Washington when they capped deductions as a part of the tax bill/tax cut for the wealthy they passed in late December. Democrats are serving constituents and communities who are hit by those caps. This isn't some tax cut for the wealthy. It's a response to help constituents harmed by Republican backstabbing of states with a high cost of living. It's a very Democratic thing to do and I'm proud to read that Democrats are responding at the state level to help those harmed by the venal GOP Congress.

Very common propaganda tool of fascism is to claim the "other" is doing what the fasicists are doing. @ttystikk is a useful idiot to the fascists in Washington by repeating their propaganda bullshit.

You dug into the issue and missed the whole thing.

Goddamn, you're stupid.

Or, maybe you want to see the economy crash so you can go bargain hunting too? Nah, you're definitely too stupid.

 

[Fogdog]

You dug into the issue and missed the whole thing.

Goddamn, you're stupid.

Or, maybe you want to see the economy crash so you can go bargain hunting too? Nah, you're definitely too stupid.

OK, then

The article you posted talks about this issue as if it's a give away to the wealthy. The issue arises from the cap on deductions that Congress imposed in the recent federal tax bill. Explain the issue. Feel free to use the article you posted and cut and paste important sections that explain how much is being cut, who is getting the tax break and what reasons do Democrats give for this tax break or reasons why Republicans oppose it. For the win tell me how the things Democrats said are false.

I think all you'll do is reply back with is another fact free and cowardly ad hominem at me rather than either explaining what, who and how this is a tax give-away that mostly helps the wealthy.

 

[Fogdog]

You're just a sucker.

The idea that state level Democrats doing a good little deed lets the dirty dozen Democratic US Senators off the hook for getting Dodd-Frank is an amateur hour shell game. The sad thing is that you actually believe your own line of drivel.

You have very little understanding if what's going on in Oregon. That's completely understandable.

All Republicans voted for a bill written and sponsored by a Republican in the Republican led Congress. 16 Democrats voted for the bill to 32 against. That bill would never have seen the light of day in a Democratically led Senate.

Yeah, Democrats to blame. (snicker)

 

[Fogdog]

You dug into the issue and missed the whole thing.

Goddamn, you're stupid.

Or, maybe you want to see the economy crash so you can go bargain hunting too? Nah, you're definitely too stupid.

Well that ad hominem reply is expected.

 

[ttystikk]

You have very little understanding if what's going on in Oregon. That's completely understandable.

All Republicans voted for a bill written and sponsored by a Republican in the Republican led Congress. 16 Democrats voted for the bill to 32 against. That bill would never have seen the light of day in a Democratically led Senate.

Yeah, Democrats to blame. (snicker)

I'm not talking about Oregon, that's your attempt to change the subject.

 

[too larry]

The two parties pay lip service to being different. They point to guns and abortion as proof. But they all work for the same folks. {and it ain't us}