Dark Side Of The Moon.....

canndo said:

the point of a plenum is consistancy and control. The op can manage co2 levels to a precise degree and still have small, smooth airflow over the entire growing surface, he can also reduce levels of contamination by placing a filter on the plenum intake and keeping a slight positive pressure in the fruiting chamber. All this makes for optimal yield in the shortest time possible. He can even go away for several days at a time.

and, we agree. That grow should never again be opened if the grower has any intention of growing in his space or house again.

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That is very interesting. Seems like less maintenance then constantly fanning and misting.

JJ05 said:

That is very interesting. Seems like less maintenance then constantly fanning and misting.

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As I said when I first suggested a plenum, the organism we are talking about will grow in spite of the grower, that is why PF Tec works. If you are doing a one off, small scale grow, fanning is just fine, high rh is ok, high co2 will work. But if you are a perfectionist trying to get yourself in sync with fungi Perfecti,then you make it your business to be precise. I am fascinated at the care and attention that so many pot growers lavish on their girls, they want to learn to think like the plant and many - probably including yourself, gain an affinity and sensitivity to their precious plants. Yet I encounter some of these very same people not doing the same with mushrooms. When in fact, you may come to believe that mushrooms, especially magic ones are more intelligent" than marijuana (NOW what sort of posts are we going to get?). I am not faulting you at all, Your grow worked - didn't it. But this guy was just starting out and I wanted him to get into the mindset.

I would have read it but i got high. hows it going all and i can say is there is allot of great info here. Canndo seems to know his stuff. Canndo hit us with more pics bro. while we wait for dank to get his going. do you have that tia mix you was talking about? Show me some magic bro.

DCobeen said:

I would have read it but i got high. hows it going all and i can say is there is allot of great info here. Canndo seems to know his stuff. Canndo hit us with more pics bro. while we wait for dank to get his going. do you have that tia mix you was talking about? Show me some magic bro.

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All I can show you are retreads of pics I published log ago. I no longer grow the magic ones, concentrating on legal varieties now. Let me see if I can find them.

sweet. i love the shrooms. magic and reg. grill one ans serve ontop a steak with grilled garlic and whole onion omg. i love taking and soaking stuff in EVOO not the mushrroom but the rest. im getting hungry lmao im so fing high i dont know what i just said lmao. ill read it tomorrow.

canndo said:

All I can show you are retreads of pics I published log ago. I no longer grow the magic ones, concentrating on legal varieties now. Let me see if I can find them.

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canndo said:

As I said when I first suggested a plenum, the organism we are talking about will grow in spite of the grower, that is why PF Tec works. If you are doing a one off, small scale grow, fanning is just fine, high rh is ok, high co2 will work. But if you are a perfectionist trying to get yourself in sync with fungi Perfecti,then you make it your business to be precise. I am fascinated at the care and attention that so many pot growers lavish on their girls, they want to learn to think like the plant and many - probably including yourself, gain an affinity and sensitivity to their precious plants. Yet I encounter some of these very same people not doing the same with mushrooms. When in fact, you may come to believe that mushrooms, especially magic ones are more intelligent" than marijuana (NOW what sort of posts are we going to get?). I am not faulting you at all, Your grow worked - didn't it. But this guy was just starting out and I wanted him to get into the mindset.

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Oh man I never thought you were putting me down. You make very good points and I love reading what you have to write brother! I took some SERIOUS time learning cannabis! I have to admit, I kinda rushed into mushrooms. I would say intelligently speaking Cannabis and Mushrooms would be on the same frequency being they are both gifts of nature that serve different purposes however both heal and teach. Heres one grow I am very fond of, started from seed outdoors. You really hit home with the points you made. I now want to perfect a method that suits the mushrooms as their natural environment would vs them growing in spite of the conditions I give them. I bet Dank will have an awesome first grow! How do you feel about monotubs? Should I make one or build a different style fruiting set up?

canndo said:

I have never seen cobweb grow on anything but overly wet casing, and then, as you suspect, on fruit.

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hmm. I luckily have not seen any yet so I dont really know anything about it just something I read. It seems similar to another something I read saying that the spore vendors' grows provide a vector for fungi viruses to distribute and grow endemically with hobbyists.

technical dan said:

hmm. I luckily have not seen any yet so I dont really know anything about it just something I read. It seems similar to another something I read saying that the spore vendors' grows provide a vector for fungi viruses to distribute and grow endemically with hobbyists.

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I suspect that most spores
come from a central location. Think about it
it is illegal in all states to grow mushrooms and one can only get ongoingly fresh spores from fresh fruit. These sites are all open and public it is unwise and unlikely for these public stores to be closely associated with live growers, so if they are replenishing their stocks then they must surely be either flaunting the law or their spores are eminating from some place where growing fruit is less frowned upon. Perhaps offshore. Could it be that each enterprise has its own offshore facility? Or have they simply managed to evade detection for years?

JJ05 said:

Oh man I never thought you were putting me down. You make very good points and I love reading what you have to write brother! I took some SERIOUS time learning cannabis! I have to admit, I kinda rushed into mushrooms. I would say intelligently speaking Cannabis and Mushrooms would be on the same frequency being they are both gifts of nature that serve different purposes however both heal and teach. Heres one grow I am very fond of, started from seed outdoors. You really hit home with the points you made. I now want to perfect a method that suits the mushrooms as their natural environment would vs them growing in spite of the conditions I give them. I bet Dank will have an awesome first grow! How do you feel about monotubs? Should I make one or build a different style fruiting set up?

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use modular fruiting chambers and a plenum. This sort of system is infinitely scalable, contamination resistant and adaptable to any sort of growing area, closet, bedroom, shed, house or even larger areas.

technical dan said:

hmm. I luckily have not seen any yet so I dont really know anything about it just something I read. It seems similar to another something I read saying that the spore vendors' grows provide a vector for fungi viruses to distribute and grow endemically with hobbyists.

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the only thing uglier than cobweb mold is mites. Or maybe one of the cancer causing molds. Get those and you will have to consider moving. Once in a while you may encounter a person who bears a personal microflora load that is like an ongoing curse. What ever they touch, no matter what their personal hygine, they will ruin your environment. I find those who brew beer tend to be culprets.

JJ05 said:

I manage air control by fanning 4-5 times a day. I can let my humidity drop into the 90-95% region if I dont mist the perlite as frequently as I do. Heres a pic of a terrarium setup I seen and boy oh boy...its fucking SCARY!

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I would be afraid to open that terrarium! Id literally throw the entire thing away lol! WTF is that stuff!?

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Thanks. Well, the reason I went with the setup like I did/have is because I didn't want to have to keep opening the terrarium up just to fan allowing possible contaminates to get a foot hold is all. Maybe one day when I get a few grows under my belt I would go on and stop using the cakes and just go with bulk bags. I was wondering how some go about it anyways. ?: What do they do when growing larger scale ?: Do they just squirt the spores into the medium in the huge bags and let sit (and use the bag as the terrarium) ?: Need to do more studying. Also, I was wondering about one part of taking the spore prints. ?: I have some propylene glycol. Will that work to put the prints in and use in my syringes when making them up ?: Or will I need to purchase or make some agar ?:

st0wandgrow said:

Ok, I didn't even get past page 2 before the questions started forming in my melon ..... so I apologize if this has been covered already, but would mushrooms do well in a marijuana grow environment? With the CO2 that they put off it seems like a great companion to grow along side herb.

I'd like to try shrooms again. I only did them one time, and ate an 1/8'th by myself per the advice of my buddy ..... and holy shit was I messed up. I couldn't even move after a while. Trippy and amazing, but too overwhelming for me. I'm thinking if I were to try them again a more modest amount might give me an all together different experience (maybe?).

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Thanks 4 stopping in and checking out what I have going thus far. Much appreciated. Maybe on your next trip, just don't eat as much, and maybe you wont have such a bad experience. I sure know all about BAD trips. Sheww.. lol

JJ05 said:

That is very interesting. Seems like less maintenance then constantly fanning and misting.

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Yeah the constant fanning & misting is what I was trying to eliminate.

canndo said:

As I said when I first suggested a plenum, the organism we are talking about will grow in spite of the grower, that is why PF Tec works. If you are doing a one off, small scale grow, fanning is just fine, high rh is ok, high co2 will work. But if you are a perfectionist trying to get yourself in sync with fungi Perfecti,then you make it your business to be precise. I am fascinated at the care and attention that so many pot growers lavish on their girls, they want to learn to think like the plant and many - probably including yourself, gain an affinity and sensitivity to their precious plants. Yet I encounter some of these very same people not doing the same with mushrooms. When in fact, you may come to believe that mushrooms, especially magic ones are more intelligent" than marijuana (NOW what sort of posts are we going to get?). I am not faulting you at all, Your grow worked - didn't it. But this guy was just starting out and I wanted him to get into the mindset.

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Thanks for all your help bro. I would LOVE to see any of your work, being old or new. I don't mind even if its regular Mushrooms. Post away..

canndo said:

I suspect that most spores
come from a central location. Think about it
it is illegal in all states to grow mushrooms and one can only get ongoingly fresh spores from fresh fruit. These sites are all open and public it is unwise and unlikely for these public stores to be closely associated with live growers, so if they are replenishing their stocks then they must surely be either flaunting the law or their spores are eminating from some place where growing fruit is less frowned upon. Perhaps offshore. Could it be that each enterprise has its own offshore facility? Or have they simply managed to evade detection for years?

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Its gotta be that they are maybe avoiding detection, you would think. lol

Why can't I see any pictures

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canndo said:

the only thing uglier than cobweb mold is mites. Or maybe one of the cancer causing molds. Get those and you will have to consider moving. Once in a while you may encounter a person who bears a personal microflora load that is like an ongoing curse. What ever they touch, no matter what their personal hygine, they will ruin your environment. I find those who brew beer tend to be culprets.

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Cancer causing mold! Holy shit...what do we look for?

canndo said:

I suspect that most spores
come from a central location. Think about it
it is illegal in all states to grow mushrooms and one can only get ongoingly fresh spores from fresh fruit. These sites are all open and public it is unwise and unlikely for these public stores to be closely associated with live growers, so if they are replenishing their stocks then they must surely be either flaunting the law or their spores are eminating from some place where growing fruit is less frowned upon. Perhaps offshore. Could it be that each enterprise has its own offshore facility? Or have they simply managed to evade detection for years?

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I always wondered how vendors contstanlty keep a fresh supply of spores lol

rocko369 said:

Why can't I see any pictures

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Hmm. I have NO clue as to why your not able to see the pictures. Just so you know, you have to be logged in to view pictures. I hope that helps.

JJ05 said:

I always wondered how vendors contstanlty keep a fresh supply of spores lol

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Hey.. I believe you may have missed my ?: How, and or do you make agar ?: Also will the

• propylene glycol work for making the spore syringes, or do I need the agar ?: Thanks again.​
  
  
  
  

Ok guys/gals. In case you may be new to the thread here. I went ahead and made up 3 new cakes day before yesterday. Out of the 6 total jars/cakes I started with, 3 out of the 6 look to be contaminated. The other 3 are working on colonization now. Slowly but surely The 3 new strains I decided to go with was as follows: Golf Coast, more Golden Teachers being the 2 jars that had GT ended up being contaminated. Also last but not least Pes Hawaiian. I went with the BRF + V I made up for 2 out of the 3 jars, and the last jar#3 I used more of the WBS as the mediums. I am really liking how fast the growth has come on the jars/cakes made up of the WBS & popcorn! Colonization sure started a hell of allot quicker in the jars I made vs the "pre - sterile" jars that came with the kit.

Anyways, here's the pictures where I prepared the last 3 jars/cakes and inoculated them. Spores: Golf Coast,Golden Teacher, & Pes Hawaiian. After sterilization of the 3 new jars worked on stove door made sure to sterilize w/heat after and between each inoculation Popcorn/ 24K spores. previous pre -sterile cake from kit/Mexican spore Wild bird seed cake/24K spores


Again guys, thanks 4 following, and all the help is much appreciated. Couldn't/ didn't have time last night to get to work on the new fruiting chamber. I will be hopefully getting that going this evening. Should still have plenty of time by the looks of the 1st jars/cakes before its ( fruiting chamber) is needed.

~Dankster~420 said:

Hmm. I have NO clue as to why your not able to see the pictures. Just so you know, you have to be logged in to view pictures. I hope that helps.

Hey.. I believe you may have missed my ?: How, and or do you make agar ?: Also will the

• propylene glycol work for making the spore syringes, or do I need the agar ?: Thanks again.​
  
  

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Sorry brother! I did over read it. Agar is WAY beyond me. I havnt even taken a spore print yet but I may with my current harvest. Have you taken any spore prints as of yet?

Here is my current set up. Took this just now for ya.

IgnacioKa said:

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Whats green tea got to do with Shrooms ?: lol

JJ05 said:

Sorry brother! I did over read it. Agar is WAY beyond me. I haven't even taken a spore print yet but I may with my current harvest. Have you taken any spore prints as of yet?

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It's all good buddy. I have yet to grow my 1st Shroom So all of this is new to me. Although I have been studying my arse off! I will go ahead and read up on the making of the agar, and or if the

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JJ05 said:

Here is my current set up. Took this just now for ya.

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Looks good. However, I have been trying to figure out the reasoning behind why growers make all the holes in their fruiting chamber if they are trying to "keep out contaminates", and also keep the rh higher. lol I know here I have a hard time keeping my rh around 60%. But with the reptile fogger I have found it brings the rh up around 75% on up to 94% if ran long enough.

~Dankster~420 said:

Whats green tea got to do with Shrooms ?: lol

It's all good buddy. I have yet to grow my 1st Shroom So all of this is new to me. Although I have been studying my arse off! I will go ahead and read up on the making of the agar, and or if the

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  • propylene glycol will work for making the spore syringes. I will post my results so you can have that for reference if you ever do plan on taking prints in the future .
    

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Looks good. However, I have been trying to figure out the reasoning behind why growers make all the holes in their fruiting chamber if they are trying to "keep out contaminates", and also keep the rh higher. lol I know here I have a hard time keeping my rh around 60%. But with the reptile fogger I have found it brings the rh up around 75% on up to 94% if ran long enough.

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Well its a shotgun fruiting chamber. RR created it.

"The theory of operation for the shotgun mushroom fruiting chamber is that natural air currents travel from areas of high pressure to areas of low pressure. Cool air has the molecules closer together than warm air, thus cool air is at a slightly higher pressure than warm air. When we put several inches of damp perlite in the bottom of our terrarium, we create an area with a slightly cooler temperature than the air above, which is exposed to lights that create heat, and our mushroom substrates, which are often at up to a few degrees warmer than the surrounding air due to thermogenesis.




This temperature differential, however slight, results in enough of a pressure gradient that it causes air to flow up through the perlite, absorbing moisture as it travels, and into the relatively lower pressure air within the fruiting portion of our fruiting chamber.


This air then exits through the holes in the upper section of the terrarium, carrying the excessive CO2 produced by our mycelium out with it. With this design, no electrical or mechanical equipment is required. Regular misting helps to keep our brf cakes or other substrates moist, and also serves to replace the moisture that evaporates from the perlite. "

This was from http://www.mushroomvideos.com/Terrarium-Tek


It does work, check out these beauties! Heres another shot of my current mushies.