DaGambler's 4k HPS 99 Plant Hempy Grow

DaGambler

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I was wondering why you choose to harvest all at once, instead of a staggered harvest... like say every 2 or 3 weeks...
good question man... (and what ur doing is deffinitely working for you !!) i've considered it many times... i guess its basically because i am lazy. the way i do it now i only have to stay focused and "get'r done" for about 10 days every couple months. the rest of the time all i have to do is water the clones every other day... and water the moms every other day or every third day.

i think its also about economy of motion... or... economy of scale. i poke holes in all the clone cups at one time. i prepare all the medium at once. i take all the clones at once. i only have to mix up the clone solution once. I harvest all the plants at once. I think i'd go insane if i had to do all that stuff every few days. It'd be like a never-ending to-do list. and i already have a full-time 9 to 5 job.

but ever since i was like 18 (the last 16 years)... i've had this recurring dream of walking down a dark path in a secret marijunana garden... a garden in which the plants are all neatly arranged by height... and go from shortest to tallest (different ages). sorry, just felt like sharing :D
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GypsyBush

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Oh I hear that!!!

That is a nice dream...

I am walking better, but no where near ready to get back to what I do for work...

So I guess I am thankful to have something to keep me busy on an everyday basis...:lol:
 

DaGambler

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hell yeah man. if this were my only past-time... (and i didn't have a bunch of other crap consuming my time) i think i'd lean toward ur style of doing things.
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Smokiethebear

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a 400+ cfm fan should cool those lights well enough... but the question is how you will climate control the rest of the room. if you are growing -in- the attic you might be in for a real fight in the summertime. if so, then try just leaving the intake side of the first bulb unattached... so that it cools the room as well. Fresh air will still be pulled in the intake vent ... and pushed directly out the exhaust vent from the ducted lamps. Just exhaust through the carbon filter non-stop via this method... and one fan alone would do the trick. That's if your attic doesn't get ridiculously hot.
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Nahh the grow room is a spare bedroom I wanted to cool the light with out having to use 2 carbon scrubers(thats why I was going to intake and exhust through the attic) but the more I think about it I like your way better...So you think I should scrub the air on the exhust side and not the intake side of the hoods?

PS I know your grow journal isnt the place for this questions but you seem to know what you are doing so I wanted your point of veiw
 

Old Frog

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but ever since i was like 18 (the last 16 years)... i've had this recurring dream of walking down a dark path in a secret marijunana garden... a garden in which the plants are all neatly arranged by height... and go from shortest to tallest (different ages). sorry, just felt like sharing :D
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Dream realized, just look at that video again... Mark it dude. ;)
 

DaGambler

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Nahh the grow room is a spare bedroom I wanted to cool the light with out having to use 2 carbon scrubers(thats why I was going to intake and exhust through the attic) but the more I think about it I like your way better...So you think I should scrub the air on the exhust side and not the intake side of the hoods?
going up into the attic is a great idea... especially if ur actually going straight up to the vents in the attic that lead outside. it really shouldn't matter where the scrubber is at as long as its in the exhaust loop at some point. just depends on how long the run is ... and how many twists and turns you've got in the ducting ... and how much the carbon reduces the cfm... etc... on whether or not one fan alone will do the trick. some hoods are a lot more aerodynamic as well. cooltubes don't produce much drag at all... especially the 8" ones w/1k HPS lamps... though the 6" ones should work pretty well w/600w HPS bulbs.
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DaGambler

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are u worried u may become ur avatar pic? lol
wouldn't you be ? :D

but i'd never become -that- guy. he has the word "FUN" written on his chin... by his mouth... so apparently that is the 'Fun Hole'...

and 'Property of Jolene' written on his forehead... and the name "Jolene" has the name Jo in it... hmmm...

might as well put me away for murder.

(EDIT: though the resemblance, otherwise, is uncanny :D)
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DaGambler

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And my personal favorite...

"Just because you're paranoid... doesn't mean that you aren't being followed."

heheh, love that NORML poster.
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M Blaze

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And my personal favorite...

"Just because you're paranoid... doesn't mean that you aren't being followed."

heheh, love that NORML poster.
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That reminds me of a quote from a movie but I cant remember what movie its from ''Just coz im being paranoid doesnt mean that people arnt trying to kill me''
 

MediMary

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that norml poster is hilarious, Just stopping through DG..everything lookin top notch man = )
hey dg what other types of growing have you done(aero, dwc, top drip, soil?)

peace n luv..

hey Gypsy B them some nice plants you have as well
 

DaGambler

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aside from Hempy Buckets... i've just grown in soil... and did a short run with a nft gutter setup. (Nutrient Film Technique) DIY'ed some rain gutters to hold 16 oz. cups... had 6 gutters holding 12 plants each under 3k lights.
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shnkrmn

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aside from Hempy Buckets... i've just grown in soil... and did a short run with a nft gutter setup. (Nutrient Film Technique) DIY'ed some rain gutters to hold 16 oz. cups... had 6 gutters holding 12 plants each under 3k lights.
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So how did that work out for you?

I've been wondering too about a comment you made a while back about only getting 1-1.5 oz per plant? C'mon man, you are joking, right? I know I'm pulling 3-4 per plant right now, so what's the difference between you and me? Everything you do looks great, whereas I am a total hack. I probably veg longer but that's all I can think of . . .:confused:

Sincerely,
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DaGambler

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So how did that work out for you?

I've been wondering too about a comment you made a while back about only getting 1-1.5 oz per plant? C'mon man, you are joking, right? I know I'm pulling 3-4 per plant right now, so what's the difference between you and me? Everything you do looks great, whereas I am a total hack. I probably veg longer but that's all I can think of . . .:confused:
it didn't work out for me... i decided to take a break from growing and closed up shop about 3 weeks into flowering. (Many years ago.)

As far as weight per plant... check out Gypsy's thread and you can see that he is often only getting 9-16 grams per plant... no veg time... flower straight from clone. That doesn't mean his gram-per-watt sux az. The question is how much total are you yielding per light... per day. If ur getting a lb. from a 1000w bulb every 73 days ur doing alright. If you can get a lb. off a 600w bulb then ur doing great. Growing more plants just allows you to fill in a 'sea of green' more quickly than vegging the plants for a longer period of time.

How much are you pulling per harvest with the lights that you are using? I don't doubt that your efficiency may be greater than mine... but i usually do alright.

(EDIT: oh, snap, didn't even see who posted the query... :D i follow ur grow dude. looks like you've been increasing ur numbers as of late... I would just guess that i'm not vegging my plants out as long and that they have to fight their neighbors more. my 'per plant' average for the current grow is deffinitely going to go down even further... but then, i'm also running over 2.5 times as many plants this run as i did last run. but i'm still wanting to know what your average yield is per light. heheh. and ur not a 'hack' ... ur one of my Hempy mentors :D how long you gonna veg those girls for in the 5 gal. buckets?)
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DaGambler

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Here is a Very Nice way of determining a gardens true efficiency as explained by - babygro - (thanks man)

"There's a much more sophisticated system for calculating 'grow room efficiency' that does factor in the flowering time as well as lighting wattage -

-=- Grow Room Efficiency Calculator -=-
(Grams Per Kilowatt Hour or "GPkWh")

You need figures for -

Total light wattage
Total flowering time in days
Light cycle hours
Total yield in grams

For example. A 600w HPS system used on a 12/12 hourly cycle in flowering for 60 days which produces 20ozs (560g) of dry bud.

1) Divide total lamp wattage by 1000 to get Kw/h.
600w/1000 = 0.6.

2) Multiply this figure by the hours of the light cycle.
0.6 x 12 = 7.2

3) Multiply this figure by the number of days in flowering.
7.2 x 60 = 432

4) Now divide the gram yield figure by the kilowatt figure.
560g / 432 = 1.29. That's 1.29g per K/w

Experienced growers should be shooting for a GE (Garden Efficiency) rating of 1.0, so anything over 1.0 is very good going."

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So for my last grow i had lets say (4) 1k lights (was down to 3 then went to 5) ... was on 12/12 light cycle ... for 63 days ... and got around 2000 grams.

so '4' 1k lights x 12 hours flowers (48 ) x 63 days flowering ='s 3024

2000g / 3024 = 0.66 gram per kWh ... deffinitely room for improvement. but i'm always happy getting a lb. per 1k HPS light. And my Garden Efficiency would go down even further (a bad thing) if you factor in the fact that i actually take 73 (not 63) days to flip from the start of one crop to the start of the next crop. this would improve if i used supplemental CO2. This formula should really be the Gold Standard for determining a perpetual gardens efficiency, thanks again babygro.

(EDIT: so my GPkWh is actually closer to 0.57 when adjusted to the actual 73 day turnover time... 'cuz it takes a few days to clear things out and start over again... and i run the lights for 24/0 for the first few days. While this method may be fairly instrumental in determing the flower rooms efficiency... it still doesn't take into consideration wether or not you are buying clones... or having to spend money on a clone and veg setup in order to keep your flowering room occupied. If it did... then clone buyers would have a deffinite advantage over those that must grow from seed or clone under additional wattages of lighting. What's -YOUR- flower rooms Gram Per Kilowat Hour efficiency?)
 

shnkrmn

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Yes, I am growing the size of my op right now. Partly because you egged me on!:-P I currently have 5 plants under 2 600s. Vegging under another 600. Started flowering on April 10, they were cloned in late January. So 8/9 weeks vegging. I'll yield 20 oz. Lined up right behind those are 15 more which were cloned April 1, from the current flowering batch. They will have 90 days veg because I wanted to finish my current flower (I hate mixing and staggering grows, I always fuck up the nutrients) and I'll be away the last week of June. Then I come back and chop and put in the15 for my 'October Surprise'. I still have 15 MORE clones, that I haven't put in big containers yet, so I guess I'm cloned up for the rest of the year!

Anyway, the big plant versus small plant question is one I only know one side of; I've never grown small plants and I'm sure I could turn crops around faster that way, but it's a huge shift in thinking. Plus, a sea of green just doesn't take the breath away like a sea of redwoods!

it didn't work out for me... i decided to take a break from growing and closed up shop about 3 weeks into flowering. (Many years ago.)

As far as weight per plant... check out Gypsy's thread and you can see that he is often only getting 9-16 grams per plant... no veg time... flower straight from clone. That doesn't mean his gram-per-watt sux az. The question is how much total are you yielding per light... per day. If ur getting a lb. from a 1000w bulb every 73 days ur doing alright. If you can get a lb. off a 600w bulb then ur doing great. Growing more plants just allows you to fill in a 'sea of green' more quickly than vegging the plants for a longer period of time.

How much are you pulling per harvest with the lights that you are using? I don't doubt that your efficiency may be greater than mine... but i usually do alright.

(EDIT: oh, snap, didn't even see who posted the query... :D i follow ur grow dude. looks like you've been increasing ur numbers as of late... I would just guess that i'm not vegging my plants out as long and that they have to fight their neighbors more. my 'per plant' average for the current grow is deffinitely going to go down even further... but then, i'm also running over 2.5 times as many plants this run as i did last run. but i'm still wanting to know what your average yield is per light. heheh. and ur not a 'hack' ... ur one of my Hempy mentors :D how long you gonna veg those girls for in the 5 gal. buckets?)
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GypsyBush

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The thing that gets me going is the NO VEG part...

I mean I keep moms vegging... but that is just a 400w T-5...

I wanted to grow some trees like MBlaze does...

But that would mean 5 to 6 months without a harvest...

I just cannot justify vegging, at all...

Not when I get to chop an oz a day... without it...

That is my side of the coin... :eyesmoke:
 
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