Curious after effects (lack water) Have you ever seen this? what to do?

Hi there,

First of all I'm happy to be finally registered. I spent a lot of time on this forum as a reader and found a lot of extremely useful stuff.

I'm now having a slight issue and do not know what to do with it... If there is anything to do...


I have a small indoor 80 cm * 70cm box with a 600W ups.
There is 2 White Rhino in hydro (dripping system) in this box and everything works perfectly. At least when I'm around.
The issue is that I had to leave the country for 1 month and had to leave my babies alone.
I managed to prepare everything but my calculation were wrong and the 2 Rhino lacked water for probably a week.
When I came home only the bud were alive (nice bud though after 5 week of bloom) and the big leaves were dead.

I decided to leave as is and try at least to get something from the 2 rhino.

I'm now a few days to cut them. Trychromes looks fine for me but one of the 2 plant start doing curious stuff. It's like there is new buds growing on the existing ones. I have attached a picture and hope one of you will be able to tell me what to do.
Is this a kind of second bloom due to the stress and death of most the plant? since the plant is ready to be cut do I need to cut it anyway or to leave it grow more?
The fact is that I would love to leave it growing a little more since due to that stupid lack of water and death of big leaves the bud produced an enormous amount of small leaves and I'm definitely not a fan.

Any questions welcome of course and if more pictures needed just ask.

Thanks again in advance .

Lonesomecowboy



PS: Sorry for my poor english, I'm a foreigner and still learning

That's called crowning and it happens to all plants if you let them keep growing after they are done If i'm remembering correctly can be genetic.notice how all the points sort of resemble a crown...also a form where those start to grow long with only one or so on each bud that's called fox tailing and can be genetic or a sign of environmental issues

It looks like your plant is re-vegging. Im guessing the plant kind of freaked out from the stress and now that you are caring for them again it has bounced back a bit. Did you increase the amount of light they are receiving? That is the typical way to reveg but stranger things have happened. Can you add some more pictures? Otherwise like I said look up re-vegging and that should answer many of your questions. BTW I would cut that fucker now but that's just me. A revegged plant wont create anymore bud until it is put into "flowering" again.

^^foxtailing or crowning could be the issue as well. Like I said can you post some more pictures?

Cowboy,
I don't have anything else to add regarding the bud situation...BUT. 600 watts for that small space is over 100 watts/square foot. Very intense lighting. A 400 watt would still give you around 62 watts/square foot which is close to perfect.

Is your light dimmable? Just a thought.
JD

Dimming your light affects bulb life...if his temps are in check what's wrong with extra light?

reveg.....

Sorry I had a busy afternoon.

That is really cool to have at least something to look at. I haven't had the time to look for foxtailling crowning or reveg but will do tomorrow morning. However I've ever thought plants were doing this when they were too old. I won't be surprised if the lack of water had forced the plant to speed up the end.
I'll post more pictures too. It's dark and I don't want to stress them more.

About the light yes I know, it's a bit hard. But it's dimmable, electronic and at 75%. Temperature is around 26° during light period and 20 21 during night.
The water however is an issue. It's around the same temperature than the room. I'm currently working on a micro Pelletier cooler but nothing is done.
PH is 5.55 and EC currently at close to 0. 1500 last week.
It's supposed to be my last days before cutting and it looks ready at the magnifying glass despite the curious look of the plant.

I'm on a 12H period, and haven't change since I switched from 18H end of november.

Greenhouse seeds from which the seeds come speak about 9 to 11 weeks of flowering. I'm at 9 and wonder if those little stupid stuff growing on the bud could do something better within 2 weeks...


I'll post much more pictures tomorrow.

Cowboy

Again it may be just genetic...the plant finishing up and squeezing that last bit of growth in..I wouldn't be surprised since its greenhouse, shady company..

You can hold off chopping those will likely just get longer and continue to put on some weight id only let it go another week tops though

Kermit2692 wrote: Dimming your light affects bulb life...if his temps are in check what's wrong with extra light?

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My advice was specific to the op, LonesomeCowboy. Heat issues would be easier to manage...though he seems to be on top of that.

Unless you have a grow really dialed in, the plant probably can't use all that light effectively.

True, an experienced grower who's maxing out nutrients and using CO2 can use that much light and possibly more.

But for a casual grower, it's wasted electricity, stress on the plant (risking light bleaching) and not much actual gain. Or at least that was my thinking...
JD

Many thanks to you all.
The way I see it, this looks to be foxtailling. At least compared to other pictures I have found.

Seems to be due to temperature in most cases but I don't have such problems, I guess 26 27 is perfect.
At 100% my light produce certainly too much or at least my dark box is too small in heigh and the top of the bud turn white.
I switched to 75% due to this. In case of I also have a bag of CO2 in the tent. That's a small bag releasing CO2 continuously for 6 months and sized for the volume of the tent. Not sure this really helps but I thought in case of high temp it could not be bad.

I know about the 600W being largely too much for the space I have, but bought this expecting to use it in an another configuration next year after moving. I already have a 400W waiting for me where I used to live.


The real question now is what to do with this. I can pretty much do anything. For me it's kind of lost anyway.
The issue I have is that trychs looks to be good for me. no clear ones, 70% blur, 30% orange.
Even if the foxtail seems to produce mostly clear or blur ones I'm afraid of leaving the plant growing more. Me be good for dry ice hash anyway you'll tell me.

What would you do?? Tell me if you want to try anything

Here's a couple more pictures. Tell me if you want to see more and what you want to see if this is not enough.
It should be quite high res so do not hesitate to zoom. Anyway may be enough to see the damage...





EDIT: Just look with a magnifier (don't have pictures of this sorry). Trichs looks to be ok on old bud but not on foxtails (mostly blur but still 30% clear). And it looks that the foxtails start growing for the oldest ones but new ones are coming. Apparently never ending story....

Lonesome,
I vote harvest now...rather then allowing old bud to degrade while waiting for the new trichs to mature.
JD

Ya you surely can take it now..again I wouldn't let it go more than another week tops..id you see bleaching then ya your light may be too close or something..even one plant properly spaced under a600 should not normally bleach..you would definitely see improvement between a 4 and 6 so is try to raise it if possible next time and use it at 100 percent though it sounds like that's your plan anyway...plant looks nice for being neglected

kermit2692 said:

Ya you surely can take it now..again I wouldn't let it go more than another week tops..id you see bleaching then ya your light may be too close or something..even one plant properly spaced under a600 should not normally bleach..you would definitely see improvement between a 4 and 6 so is try to raise it if possible next time and use it at 100 percent though it sounds like that's your plan anyway...plant looks nice for being neglected

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I can't do much more with the light. Can't raise it more in this room. It's a modified 80cm*80cm*1.80m shortened to 80*70*1.80 to fit in a closet.
The hood is too large and heigh since it's planned to fit in a larger room ultimately.
So 40cm heigh of hydroponic module, 40cm of hood and lost space on top of the hood due to the 90° tubing stuff means it remains anyway only 100cm of growing space. I know I could have scrog but I'm barely spending 1 week per month at home. Not manageable. I'm just stuck until I have more time and space. Or my automation system I'm working on...

Last harvest got white on the top due to light at 100% and I had to throw probably 10gr of it but I got 320gr of perfect dry bud. I can't really compare with this one since I nearly killed them last week of december, but it's apparently working better with the 75% and I bet my year salary that it would have been better than the last one.
The bud you see on the picture were nearly the same size after 5 week of flowering when I came back after the forced dry.

I have a 400W at home but now dark room and was planning on buying a much larger one (150cm minimum*??*2m) before going back to put a 400w in the small tent (growing room) and a 600w in the large tent (flowering room).

Anyway thanks that's reassuring

I plan on harvesting this week-end. It's less than one week of pure water now.
Speaking about this, 1 week of pure water is the minimum in soil but what about hydro. Since my medium is clay pebbles do I really need this? It does not seem that the clay keeps any nutrients. The EC is pretty much the same than the tap water I put in after a day.
So I was wondering how much time the plant needs to process the last part of the nutrients stored somewhere? or do I need to starve them on purpose to add something to the taste?

Is there a way to modify the post, change the title and make it more useful for everybody?? I can edit the first post to group all photos and info but can't change the title and would like to edit tags or keywords.
I do not know how the admins wants to work here but when I was looking for an idea about my issues I could not found anything and would like to make this useful for the average me looking on this forum.
Anyone with enough power to help me please?