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smokingbluntsadailyroutin said:

well said my man

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dont sidestream what dude says cause chances are you're one of the ones in the regular gym fuckin up. smokin blunts is bad for your health btw.

an did any of you nay sayers even watch the games? an if you dont watch the crossfit morano vid the owner of the crossfit gym that he goes to says he's not gonna benefit from just random wod's when he comes so he tunes workouts just for him an then he goes an does the wod with the rest of the group so that argument of they say do this wod cause we said so if very false

You clearly have a lack of understanding what strength coach is or means. That is fine, i understand. Look up strength and conditioning specialist and check what they duties entail. Did you know your crossshit crap methodology and philosophies came from well respected strength coaches? No you don't.... You only go with what is given to you already, while we as strength coaches have to develop our own methods and philosophies through experience developing athletes and general pop.
quit trying to twists my words man, i clearly told you prior to what strength coaches are...

And also, have you ever heard of strength endurance or sub maximal or the conjugate system? Your comparisons of actual strength training, you know, where you use 85%> of one rep maximum to build strength and if that will help you run a 5k, it is very doable.

And actually, your xfit stuff, all of it came from strength and conditioning principles...


You have yet to provide any substantial proof that xfit works for everyone. And you still dont understand that injuries happen with bad coaching, of which you can find at almost every xfit "box". Many do not have the proper training the main lifts they pride themselves on and do not know how to teach the skill.


Also, many of my physical therpay/athletic trainer/sports medicine doc friends hate xfit. They always et people in with blown out backs,shoulders,hips and knees thanks to the volume of work and the poor exercise selections.

blazinkill504 said:

ima try an break this down for you two so you can maybe understand you're doin the same shit you accuse me of which is "not seein the big picture" i mainly think its cause you two like i said do mainly strength shit so you only wanna hear what comes out of your own mouth. after this if it hasnt sunk in then it never will.

first off lets not take some truth an make it into what you want. i hurt my neck while doin a handstand pushup yes. was it because of the actual movement? fuck no i was comin off the wall an i thought i was gonna hit a machine so i tucked in an kinda rolled out an landed on my neck. nothin to do with the movement itself. an im pretty damn sure gyms get sued too so that holds no ground.

was this crossfit?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAKa5MCIKAY
this dont look like crossfit either
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVAVG7_pw9M

i could continue to show more but i think you get the point that injury occurs no matter if its crossfit, powerliftin, or strength trainin so dont pretend that shit doesnt happen. yea i train EVERY aspect of every kinda program, but i dont see the big picture lol. take the time to actually read an let this shit sink in before you reply please. you point out weaknesses in crossfit yet you dont seem to bring to light the weaknesses of just trainin one way. you do nothin but strength shit an you wont be able to bend over or turn to wipe your ass. little to no flexibility is hand an hand with strength/bodybuildin/powerliftin trainin.

lets be honest most go to a gym to either look good or be strong. i doubt either one of you will deny that. people that lift nothin but weights are tryin to be in shape? so you dont consider them good examples means they arent? lmao im sorry dude but thats a bit egoish considerin they are in the nfl an you arent. they do it on the off season to stay fit an ready for when they have to hit the weight room. you are now puttin words in my mouth when you say that i think an athlete can do nothin but crossfit an destroy in football or any other sport. thats just flat out dumb of course they have to do workouts specific to what sport they do. it does help them with their endurance an explosiveness tho thats why knon marono said in the video below he'll be in the nfl room, but he's gonna make it to the crossfit box as much as he can cause it is helpin him with his job.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fe2-Tnw-65E&feature=relmfu

if the military dudes arent gettin way into it why are they makin their own wod's? of course once again they keep their pt tuned to what they will need to do in war an they use crossfit to kick their overall endurance up a notch.

we both know better that walkin isnt gonna get you in a all around shape like crossfit so i dont even know why you mentioned that. now i know you are either lyin about you doin crossfit or like i said had shitty trainers because every new member takes BABY steps before they get into the actual real workouts thats why they have levels for ppl that they have to go thru before they even do the full wods so they dont get hurt like that.

the strength shit is more aimed at oly because he seems to just focus in on strength trainers when he posts. so you're sayin a dude can go to a gym an do strength shit an cause of that it'll raise his endurance enough to run a 5k non-stop. thats just laughable. so if a person does just mainly crossfit you're tellin me he/she wouldnt get any of those health gains just cause they arent only doin strength trainin? c'mon now.

i dont do p90x an i never put that into the mix thats you two. you cant deny the shape of crossfitters so i dont have to argue that.i read everythin you say an take into account both of yalls words, but based on yalls responses yall dont read jack shit of what i say so once again calm down with all that crazy talk.

id also like to see these examples of these heavy lifts followed by long endurance shit cause ive never seen that in any crossfit workouts. the last heat in the games dudes were cleanin 95lbs an goin to ring dips. keep in mind 90% of they are over 170lbs. thats reaaaaaal heavy man i tell ya. an id also like for you to look at the dudes doin these games an show me how their form is soo terrible? i can walk into a crossfit an see randoms havin bad form just like i can walk into a gym an see MANY more havin bad form. im the on bein one sided tho? lol

let me show you why i wanted to get into crossfit. it wasnt no cult hype or none of the shit yall are namin. it was this video watch it if you dont watch any other an then tell me crossfitters have no structure
http://games.crossfit.com/video/days-life-rich-froning

id also like to add that my mon-fri workouts are mainly strength driven. monday:legs/biceps tuesday:chest/abs wednesday:back thursday:triceps/abs friday:legs/shoulders all with barbell and or on a home gym. i am well versed in my liftin experience an ive been doin this shit for 10 years. i also have kickboxin drills on saturday, run atleast twice a week an do a crossfit wod twice a week. i wanna be ALL AROUND fit an in shape. if you look at every kinda trainin programs they have what would have you be the most well rounded? to me its crossfit an if you would like to show me another id be more than glad to check it out. i doubt you will tho because no trainin program specializes in no speciality. jack of all trades an by that you benefit in all aspects strength,flexibility,endurance,gymnastics,powerliftin.

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Yeah, i watched some... The message i got from it was,

Xfit says its ok to take performance enhancement drugs to beat your competition. And the last part of your statement makes no sense man...

How is it false? That is a xfit trainer, of course he ain't going to follow the wod, their heads are bigger then the biggest hot air balloon... If they modify a wod to fit a client, it is still the wod... Not something tailored specifically to meet the needs of that client.

Many things go into program design...

Does your xfit tell you about muscle imbalances and how bad they are and how to correct them and how to spot imbalances during assessments?

blazinkill504 said:

an did any of you nay sayers even watch the games? an if you dont watch the crossfit morano vid the owner of the crossfit gym that he goes to says he's not gonna benefit from just random wod's when he comes so he tunes workouts just for him an then he goes an does the wod with the rest of the group so that argument of they say do this wod cause we said so if very false

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oh so they're all on steroids now....wow haha

actually if you read thru my posts you'd know i said more than once crossfit workouts are just from lifts already made they just put them together in another way. i also fully understand what a strength an conditionin coach is. you apparently dont seem to realize when everyday ppl wanna get into shape they're not gonna go get a snc coach. they're not gonna go to the local football program an be like hey bro coach me up. they're gonna go do somethin that works for them an crossfit seems to be winnin over gyms these days. maybe thats why yall are soo against it takin your clients.

dont talk about somethin if you didnt watch the shit. he did moreno's strength/football specific lifts before all the others come in an then he put him in the group cause thats how moreno likes to train with others so he put him in the wod with others. one of you said an i dont believe it was you, stated that they tell an athlete they're not gonna make a special program for that athlete they just make them do the wods everyone does which clearly isnt the case as video i posted shows.

muscle imbalance is somethin you'd have to ask a crossfit trainer about seein as im not one yet. if you look at an follow the workouts they have you pretty well balanced. the main thing with crossfit workouts is you work from the core out. you're tryin to tell me with all the mobility trainin that crossfit does they will have more of an imbalance in their muscles than a gym rat? you two must have this perception that every personal trainer at the gym is jesus an knows everythin. half to most ive talked to hardly know shit about how the body works an how you should properly train. they copied the answers out of the book to the test an got the cert. that way. atleast with crossfit you have to go to a weekend seminar before you are certified.

ima say this once again which i kinda left out on the last post. we are NOT JUST talkin about athletes doin crossfit which seems to be where your argument mainly comes from. ive already said more than once crossfit wouldnt help a football/basketball/soccer player with their specific sport besides bein able to go for a longer time. they wouldnt work on the specific things those athletes need. we are talkin about the public. regular people that work in an office all day. thats who go to crossfit gyms. im sure if that same regular person stepped into a football weight room an tried to keep up in there they'd get hurt to hell in back to.

im sorry but its hard for me to see how throwin around super heavy weight will get you thru a 5k run. it might help, but the only way to get thru that is to run the 5k or go thru long lastin workouts with little to no rest. not do one lift wait a couple minutes an get at it again.

an just look at the ppl that do crossfit thats proves in itself that it works for everyone who goes into a crossfit gym. what other proof do i need to show. you see that many ripped/in shape ppl at your local gym? fuck no you dont.

the crossfit workouts didnt come from well respected coaches of this day an age it came from the ones who made those lifts a LONG ass time ago so give credit where credits due. even todays strength coaches are jackin what the older coaches made.

look at what you said injuries come from bad coachin! which isnt just at crossfit gyms. have you been to almost every crossfit gym to support that statement dude? as i said before at least you have to go out of your way an are bein physically shown how to do the movements opposed to gettin a book an test in the mail.

oh an just to add the dude who won the games the last two years in a row is the assistant strength an conditionin coach at tennessee tech. the head snc coach is also an avid crossfitter along with rich an puttin crossfit in their football program had them win their first national title ever a year or two ago. so id say thats also proof that the shit works.

Dudes name is Oly-lifter and you're trying to talk about crossfit with him?

it is hard for you to see the benefits of strength training... and as an aside, strength training does not always entail heavy lifting... your perceived belief about strength training is what is preventing you from seeing both sides...

again, you misconception of S&C coaches is making you look like a fool... you automatically link strength coach with football cause of that tennessee tech team no one knows about... xfit is not taking my clients, it is bringing me more clients actually who certainly hate xfit for their lack of knowledge from their weekend cert trainer. it is apparent that you do not know 5% of what Strength and Conditioning and physical training is... xfit is not S&C... S&C is xfit... big difference


if you knew any better, you would know that PED's are not just steroids and steroids are not all PED's...

i will leave you be with your xfit... when you start getting nagging injuries, just think back, no pain no gain... thats what xfit is about...

and as for tennessee tech, who is tennessee tech in the first place? i feel sorry for those athletes having to do pointless work that will NOT TRANSFER over to actual football performance gains....

and a weekend seminar that costs 1000 dollars which is a waste of money and time...

I can see it is pointless to continue since your perceived notion of strength coaches and strength training are tainted by BAD SCIENCE that is xfit...

and xfit is just another fancy word for CROSSTRAINING...

blazinkill504 said:

oh so they're all on steroids now....wow haha

actually if you read thru my posts you'd know i said more than once crossfit workouts are just from lifts already made they just put them together in another way. i also fully understand what a strength an conditionin coach is. you apparently dont seem to realize when everyday ppl wanna get into shape they're not gonna go get a snc coach. they're not gonna go to the local football program an be like hey bro coach me up. they're gonna go do somethin that works for them an crossfit seems to be winnin over gyms these days. maybe thats why yall are soo against it takin your clients.

dont talk about somethin if you didnt watch the shit. he did moreno's strength/football specific lifts before all the others come in an then he put him in the group cause thats how moreno likes to train with others so he put him in the wod with others. one of you said an i dont believe it was you, stated that they tell an athlete they're not gonna make a special program for that athlete they just make them do the wods everyone does which clearly isnt the case as video i posted shows.

muscle imbalance is somethin you'd have to ask a crossfit trainer about seein as im not one yet. if you look at an follow the workouts they have you pretty well balanced. the main thing with crossfit workouts is you work from the core out. you're tryin to tell me with all the mobility trainin that crossfit does they will have more of an imbalance in their muscles than a gym rat? you two must have this perception that every personal trainer at the gym is jesus an knows everythin. half to most ive talked to hardly know shit about how the body works an how you should properly train. they copied the answers out of the book to the test an got the cert. that way. atleast with crossfit you have to go to a weekend seminar before you are certified.

ima say this once again which i kinda left out on the last post. we are NOT JUST talkin about athletes doin crossfit which seems to be where your argument mainly comes from. ive already said more than once crossfit wouldnt help a football/basketball/soccer player with their specific sport besides bein able to go for a longer time. they wouldnt work on the specific things those athletes need. we are talkin about the public. regular people that work in an office all day. thats who go to crossfit gyms. im sure if that same regular person stepped into a football weight room an tried to keep up in there they'd get hurt to hell in back to.

im sorry but its hard for me to see how throwin around super heavy weight will get you thru a 5k run. it might help, but the only way to get thru that is to run the 5k or go thru long lastin workouts with little to no rest. not do one lift wait a couple minutes an get at it again.

an just look at the ppl that do crossfit thats proves in itself that it works for everyone who goes into a crossfit gym. what other proof do i need to show. you see that many ripped/in shape ppl at your local gym? fuck no you dont.

the crossfit workouts didnt come from well respected coaches of this day an age it came from the ones who made those lifts a LONG ass time ago so give credit where credits due. even todays strength coaches are jackin what the older coaches made.

look at what you said injuries come from bad coachin! which isnt just at crossfit gyms. have you been to almost every crossfit gym to support that statement dude? as i said before at least you have to go out of your way an are bein physically shown how to do the movements opposed to gettin a book an test in the mail.

oh an just to add the dude who won the games the last two years in a row is the assistant strength an conditionin coach at tennessee tech. the head snc coach is also an avid crossfitter along with rich an puttin crossfit in their football program had them win their first national title ever a year or two ago. so id say thats also proof that the shit works.

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lol valid point im just tryin to make em see just cause it isnt the type of trainin they do or see as good doesnt mean it doesnt work an isnt safe.

oly dont post to my shit if you're not readin it seriously i wrote out my trainin routine which is mainly strengh oriented. you're just sayin the same shit over cause you have no argument to what im sayin. lol i can injure myself doin anythin on this earth so even if i do get injured while doin crossfit it doesnt mean the shit you're sayin is right. i could be benchin an have the bar fall on me. does that mean strength trainin is bad for me? no it means i was slippin with my form which once again can happen in any type of trainin.

you just trainin the way you do is preventin you from seein both sides bro think about that. i lift weights you dont or have never done crossfit so if anyone isnt seein it from both its you.

an yea its totally worth the 400 bucks to have the books an test sent to your house to be a cpt....you really learn a lot that way an its totally worth the money! lol

funny how you assume things man... I ve been doing this for a long time buddy... ive seen both sides and from my experience, I can tell you xfit is not a good choice if you have other viable options open to you...


Yeah, I have no argument... lol.... This is my specialty man... I eat and shit this stuff all day... I research more on these subjects in a day then you will ever do, ever...

I butt heads with people like you every day, I will encourage your training and hope you break your PR's every day like they do in xfit... if you don't, well then we will know that you are all talk... go for it the xfit way man... they rock and they will soon be taking over the entire industry and make to where if you are not xfit, then you will get shot on the spotl

blazinkill504 said:

oly dont post to my shit if you're not readin it seriously i wrote out my trainin routine which is mainly strengh oriented. you're just sayin the same shit over cause you have no argument to what im sayin. lol i can injure myself doin anythin on this earth so even if i do get injured while doin crossfit it doesnt mean the shit you're sayin is right. i could be benchin an have the bar fall on me. does that mean strength trainin is bad for me? no it means i was slippin with my form which once again can happen in any type of trainin.

you just trainin the way you do is preventin you from seein both sides bro think about that. i lift weights you dont or have never done crossfit so if anyone isnt seein it from both its you.

an yea its totally worth the 400 bucks to have the books an test sent to your house to be a cpt....you really learn a lot that way an its totally worth the money! lol

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I have been using you so called xfit moves way before you even heard about xfit and before xfit ever got heard..

keep your blinders on

blazinkill504 said:

lol valid point im just tryin to make em see just cause it isnt the type of trainin they do or see as good doesnt mean it doesnt work an isnt safe.

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so you use em but yet they're dangerous! you been usin rings to do muscle ups for the past 6 years? or pistols for 6 years? you hit the gym an pop out some overhead squats an thrusters? the only thing ive seen you post thats close to that is some of the routine that you posted you do now with a vest on.

no, quit twisting my words.

what that means is that I knew most of their "moves" way before xfit was heard of or you ever heard of...


funny how you try to construe what I say... not working man

blazinkill504 said:

so you use em but yet they're dangerous! you been usin rings to do muscle ups for the past 6 years? or pistols for 6 years? you hit the gym an pop out some overhead squats an thrusters? the only thing ive seen you post thats close to that is some of the routine that you posted you do now with a vest on.

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man if you could hear me laugh right now... it is so retarded how you assume shit man...LOL


I have been training elite high school athletes since way back homie... several state and national champions...

keep it up man... you crazyyyy

blazinkill504 said:

so you use em but yet they're dangerous! you been usin rings to do muscle ups for the past 6 years? or pistols for 6 years? you hit the gym an pop out some overhead squats an thrusters? the only thing ive seen you post thats close to that is some of the routine that you posted you do now with a vest on.

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those are crossfit moves an your words were "i been doin your so called crossfit moves way before you even heard about it." those are some crossfit moves. im not twistin anythin just takin what you say an correctin it is all. back squats an pullups arent crossfit moves thats why those werent named just now. quit tryin to use me "twistin your words" as a cop out to what you say or what you respond to.

oh yea an high school trainin is wayy better than dude coachin a college team. t tech won a national championship after crossfit was fully implimented into their football program. that doesnt count tho, but your hs championships are legit? lol

yeah bud... thats good for you...

seriously man, you think that these xfit exercises are "new" that is fucking retarded and very laughable...

you know what the stupidest quote i heard today from a xfitter,

"xfit will be in the olympics in 10years." LOL


Im pretty sure it was skilled position coaches who helped that team win...If you would know things about talent in athletes, you would understand... but you do not

im pretty sure the saints do xfit too right...


and it is funny, with training these kids who have gone on to participate in D1 sports, you learn plenty... Im pretty sure you knew that already, that is why you ignored that fact..

blazinkill504 said:

those are crossfit moves an your words were "i been doin your so called crossfit moves way before you even heard about it." those are some crossfit moves. im not twistin anythin just takin what you say an correctin it is all. back squats an pullups arent crossfit moves thats why those werent named just now. quit tryin to use me "twistin your words" as a cop out to what you say or what you respond to.

oh yea an high school trainin is wayy better than dude coachin a college team. t tech won a national championship after crossfit was fully implimented into their football program. that doesnt count tho, but your hs championships are legit? lol

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way to dodge that one too man.

i swear you dont read jack shit of what i say ive said about 3000 times crossfit movements arent new or created from crossfit. you're tryin to bring up a point that makes no sense an thats laughable.

i highly doubt crossfit will be in the olympics, but to be honest its a better alternative than a decathlon. disc throwin, shot put, pole vault, an high jump are real functional movements. lol thats in the olympics tho.

you right the head an assistant strength an condition coaches which you been praisin soo much to help athletes get to where they need to be had nothin to do with that. now is all about the position coaches....

i doubt the saints do it. who even said that shit. you tryin to twist my words bro?!?!?!

i dunno jack shit about trainin football, but dont act like your "titles" you helped them win are valid an the one that dude helped t tech win doesnt mean shit. thats just dumb considerin its college an yours is highschool just cause a few kids of yours went d1. are they startin? they 5 stars? was it directly cause of your trainin or just cause they're super talented?

Again,you demonstrate your lack in understanding of exercise physiology, biomechanics, and strength and conditioning.

Keep at hoss, you obviously are too smart

blazinkill504 said:

way to dodge that one too man.

i swear you dont read jack shit of what i say ive said about 3000 times crossfit movements arent new or created from crossfit. you're tryin to bring up a point that makes no sense an thats laughable.

i highly doubt crossfit will be in the olympics, but to be honest its a better alternative than a decathlon. disc throwin, shot put, pole vault, an high jump are real functional movements. lol thats in the olympics tho.

you right the head an assistant strength an condition coaches which you been praisin soo much to help athletes get to where they need to be had nothin to do with that. now is all about the position coaches....

i doubt the saints do it. who even said that shit. you tryin to twist my words bro?!?!?!

i dunno jack shit about trainin football, but dont act like your "titles" you helped them win are valid an the one that dude helped t tech win doesnt mean shit. thats just dumb considerin its college an yours is highschool just cause a few kids of yours went d1. are they startin? they 5 stars? was it directly cause of your trainin or just cause they're super talented?

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nothin i just said shows my lack of knowin anythin just your lack of a response to my statements.

i dont pretend to know it all that would be you because you do this and that an train this way an thats the right way blah blah blah. when you can open your mind to other things come back an continue the conversation.

HOw do you know i am pretending? Do you have proof of this so called pretending?

No man, you just dont get it nad probably never will. This xfit craze has blinded so many people, it is clear that you are a xfitter.

Do what you want and train how you want, just dont lose faith in your xfit when you get severely injuried.

And i can see you exercise progamming abilities on the other thread, no where close to being functional one bit. That style is old school unproven methods. Tell me, how will biceps curls help you in anything?

blazinkill504 said:

nothin i just said shows my lack of knowin anythin just your lack of a response to my statements.

i dont pretend to know it all that would be you because you do this and that an train this way an thats the right way blah blah blah. when you can open your mind to other things come back an continue the conversation.

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