crossfit games

sooooooooooo whos watchin em? better question is does anyone follow the new sport?

Thta shit aint no sport man...

I hate crossfit as it is dangerous and a reckless way to exercise.

It has no structure and is not system as they claim it to be.

The wod's are just thrown together haphazardly and are based of ridiculous things. Im gonna exercise the number of reps of my oldest kid... Thats fucking stupid and is left for people who do not have a clie about actual strength and conditioning.

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Just a few bad examples of the bad programming and recommendations made by these xfit "guru" trainers.

There is this one dude who just is bat shit stupid on running/jogging/sprinting mechanics and makes the claim "if you aint runnin this way, you are running blind". Lol

if not many can keep up i see it as a sport. how is it dangerous or wreckless? thats the good part they're throwin together randomly so you're never doin the same shit over an over. it also is done that way so you're all around fit. sure you can throw weight around, but can those same ppl usually get on some gymnastic rings an do a hand stand? not usually same goes with endurance athletes sure they can run, swim, or bike far, but can they throw around heavy weight? not usually. these dudes do it all an the point of crossfit is no matter what it is you go all out an the ability to continue to go all out over an over again.

so ppl who go just to get in shape an are tired fuck up. that happens no matter what kinda workout you do. i cant tell you how many times ive seen bars flyin all over cause someones usin a suicide grip an it slips out their hands an fuckin weights are everywhere. so i dont take that as a "bad example." the second one there really wasnt much wrong with that besides i know you're gonna say "thats not a real pullup" well he's tryin to do it as fast as possible thats why he puts that say or "kip" into the pullup. nothin wrong with it just gettin more of your body/momentum involved. an the last one was just an idiot. who the fuck squats like that?!

I think crossfitters tend to think they're already a beast and don't work their way up.

First day @ CF gonna squat 300, deadlift 500, and press 250. I got this..I'M CROSSFITx. Plus I'll run 10 miles.

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tehgenoc1de said:

I think crossfitters tend to think they're already a beast and don't work their way up.

First day @ CF gonna squat 300, deadlift 500, and press 250. I got this..I'M CROSSFITx. Plus I'll run 10 miles.

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so is that why most crossfitters constantly try to beat their last pr's in the workouts they do?

cross fit is intense and legit as fuck

i dont see the flaw. everyone of you are comin from the angle of to get stronger to get stronger to gain muscle. thats not the mail goal of crossfit. ive had a cpt as well an i agree that switchin it up too soon wont give you the absolute best results muscle gain wise. i also do agree that crossfit prolly has a lot more negative effect on the body joint/bone wise due to the movements. not everyone is workin out to be big in strong tho that is what ppl are seemin to miss. hypertrophy is great like i said if you wanna be a bodybuilder, but not for crossfit. id rather be all around more athletic than just be able to throw heavy weight around for my size. the structure is based on life in general. you never know what life is gonna throw at you same with crossfit you never know what workout is gonna be up for that day. you cant deny that most of the crossfit movements are functional weight liftin movements. the only reason you have a risk for more injury is due to the intensity of the workouts.

id rather be all around in shape an have a random routine than have a set one an just try an be big an buff which these dudes seem is the goal of crossfit aside you. an crossfit is great for people who dont like set routines the randomness is what makes most come back to do more along with the results you get from it.

If you dont see the flaws, youre exactly who they're marketing to. The science is NOT there. Spend some serious time learning about physio(I ahve several cpt and specialty certs ranging from geriatrics, special populations, and aquatic aerobics to trx training, I assure you they dont go in depth AT ALL as far as clinical and advanced science, its mostly basic concept and application, as well as vocab for the national certs. Take an upper division course in physio, maybe applied physio too, neuromuscular science, biomechanics, and musculoskeletal function, and I can GUARANTEE you will no longer endorse crossfit. Theres a big difference between the 40 hour weekend vocational cpt course and 1000+ hours of university studies(one of 13 semesters). I'm not trying to dog you, I know it sounds that way, im just trying to demonstrate a point.

Your response is exactly why I addressed it in a general athletic sense, not specifically for hypertrophy or strength gains. Crossfitters always seem to want to attack bodybuilders, powerlifters, marathon runners, or anyone who doesnt crosstrain. Not everyone is a martial artist or interested in being able to run obstacle courses. And if you deny that the deadlift and squat (2/3 of powerlifting) are functional exercises that are not only used daily, but develop supportive musculature for other movements, you're just ignorant. But regardless of goals, I'm trying to talk about crossfit only, not comparing it to anything else. I bring up points of strongmen from ancient russia for a specific reason, and its not to one-up crossfit. Learn their philosophies on fitness and health in general. I dont care if you hate on powerlifting, any 60 year old man who can put 400lbs overhead with one hand clearly knows what hes doing, especially if he can do it without hurting himself year after year. Records from pre-wwII that still havent been beat, even with all the 'advancements' we have made. Regardless of goals, your physiology doesnt change, and that means that crossfits basic foundation of physical adaptation is not in line with what's most efficient and safe for your body.

Though any program requiring you to increase weight or volume every workout is usually aimed at either hypertrophy or strength gains, not endurance, I understand the hybrid well-rounded concept to the program. And believe me, military training doesnt permit you to be a powerlifter or bodybuilder without seriously suffering anytime you go to unit pt. So crossfit is HIGHLY promoted within the military becasue the overall goals are considered to be the same.

'the only reason you have a risk for more injury is due to the intensity of the workouts.' - honestly one of the most incorrect things I've seen in awhile. Youre saying that doing a single of something like a deadlift or squat is actually less intense than 10 tire flips or 10 pullups on rings? If so, I'm just going to stop there... If not, then you need to start thinking big picture.

I wont deny that crossfit is based on functional movements. I also wont deny its benefits and results as, like I mentioned, I followed it for a few months, and continue to incorporate some of the concepts and exercises into my, and my clients', programs. I will however continue to deny its general safety, efficacy, and proper training fundamentals though. And that to me is enough to ask myself why its being considered revolutionary. And since it doesnt hold up to proven science, it therefore isn't optimal and shouldnt be claimed as such.

you see, the flaw is in the design. For athletic performance, one as a strength and conditioning professional needs to set a structured approach in order to keep achieving athletic performances and successes in their respective coach.

in xfit, there is no structure to the training routines they use and to beat your own pr every workout is setting you up for an injury and disaster in the training room. for weekend warriors trying to push themselves it is alright, but for training serious athletes that need to perform well every time they compete, this approach is not necessary.

what xfit is doing is telling the general population that it is ok to do bad in the weight room and that it is ok to use bad technique as long as you get the number of reps,sets or minutes in, its a good workout... and you cannot judge a workout by how sore or how much you sweat. many in the general pop do not understand simple exercise physiology and as such fall victim to such scams as xfit, trx, p90x, insanity and other hyped up crap...

also, making you max out on each lift then having you perform a 400meter sprint then back to the max lifts, that is just stupid man... their thinking is that working while fatigued is what makes people tough, no it does not... It promotes bad technique and bad coaching as well as putting your athlete in harms way... something I and many other strength and conditioning specialists do not believe in...

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i dont see the flaw. everyone of you are comin from the angle of to get stronger to get stronger to gain muscle. thats not the mail goal of crossfit. ive had a cpt as well an i agree that switchin it up too soon wont give you the absolute best results muscle gain wise. i also do agree that crossfit prolly has a lot more negative effect on the body joint/bone wise due to the movements. not everyone is workin out to be big in strong tho that is what ppl are seemin to miss. hypertrophy is great like i said if you wanna be a bodybuilder, but not for crossfit. id rather be all around more athletic than just be able to throw heavy weight around for my size. the structure is based on life in general. you never know what life is gonna throw at you same with crossfit you never know what workout is gonna be up for that day. you cant deny that most of the crossfit movements are functional weight liftin movements. the only reason you have a risk for more injury is due to the intensity of the workouts.

id rather be all around in shape an have a random routine than have a set one an just try an be big an buff which these dudes seem is the goal of crossfit aside you. an crossfit is great for people who dont like set routines the randomness is what makes most come back to do more along with the results you get from it.

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If you dont see the flaws, youre exactly who they're marketing to. The science is NOT there. Spend some serious time learning about physio(I ahve several cpt and specialty certs ranging from geriatrics, special populations, and aquatic aerobics to trx training, I assure you they dont go in depth AT ALL as far as clinical and advanced science, its mostly basic concept and application, as well as vocab for the national certs. Take an upper division course in physio, maybe applied physio too, neuromuscular science, biomechanics, and musculoskeletal function, and I can GUARANTEE you will no longer endorse crossfit. Theres a big difference between the 40 hour weekend vocational cpt course and 1000+ hours of university studies(one of 13 semesters). I'm not trying to dog you, I know it sounds that way, im just trying to demonstrate a point.

Your response is exactly why I addressed it in a general athletic sense, not specifically for hypertrophy or strength gains. Crossfitters always seem to want to attack bodybuilders, powerlifters, marathon runners, or anyone who doesnt crosstrain. Not everyone is a martial artist or interested in being able to run obstacle courses. And if you deny that the deadlift and squat (2/3 of powerlifting) are functional exercises that are not only used daily, but develop supportive musculature for other movements, you're just ignorant. But regardless of goals, I'm trying to talk about crossfit only, not comparing it to anything else. I bring up points of strongmen from ancient russia for a specific reason, and its not to one-up crossfit. Learn their philosophies on fitness and health in general. I dont care if you hate on powerlifting, any 60 year old man who can put 400lbs overhead with one hand clearly knows what hes doing, especially if he can do it without hurting himself year after year. Records from pre-wwII that still havent been beat, even with all the 'advancements' we have made. Regardless of goals, your physiology doesnt change, and that means that crossfits basic foundation of physical adaptation is not in line with what's most efficient and safe for your body.

Though any program requiring you to increase weight or volume every workout is usually aimed at either hypertrophy or strength gains, not endurance, I understand the hybrid well-rounded concept to the program. And believe me, military training doesnt permit you to be a powerlifter or bodybuilder without seriously suffering anytime you go to unit pt. So crossfit is HIGHLY promoted within the military becasue the overall goals are considered to be the same.

'the only reason you have a risk for more injury is due to the intensity of the workouts.' - honestly one of the most incorrect things I've seen in awhile. Youre saying that doing a single of something like a deadlift or squat is actually less intense than 10 tire flips or 10 pullups on rings? If so, I'm just going to stop there... If not, then you need to start thinking big picture.

I wont deny that crossfit is based on functional movements. I also wont deny its benefits and results as, like I mentioned, I followed it for a few months, and continue to incorporate some of the concepts and exercises into my, and my clients', programs. I will however continue to deny its general safety, efficacy, and proper training fundamentals though. And that to me is enough to ask myself why its being considered revolutionary. And since it doesnt hold up to proven science, it therefore isn't optimal and shouldnt be claimed as such.

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lets get one thing straight off top. YOU are the one comin her attackin the crossfit method. i didnt attack any kind of trainin at all. when did i also ever say squats an deadlifts arent functional? they are two of the most used movements in crossfit. lol i also never said i hate powerliftin an i give nothin but props to anyone who achieves anythin in any kinda sport/trainin so why are you bringin that up? an you're gonna try an tell me throwin 400lbs over your head with one hand is safer than a thruster? lmao you think we just take the heaviest weight we can an try an throw that shit up as many times as we can? ppl start off with fuckin pvc pipes before they even touch a bar much less put weight on one to get their form correct an slowly move their way up. for someone who says they trained it for 3 months you either didnt pay attention or had shitty ppl showin you the ropes cause bad form is never ok. an these dudes in these games im pretty sure compete year in year out an arent injured so that logic is out the window as well.

so its bad for the regular joe, but military dudes are good doin it? once again makes no sense if they both strive for the same goal. the weights you use for the workouts do increase but not with everytime you do it. fuck you may only do a wod once every few months an when it comes back around you dont raise the weight from last time just try to get more work in the allowed time. an explain to me how what i said is wrong about the intensity can cause more injury? if you're tryin to push out more reps when you're tired your form usually starts to go down which would cause injury correct? if you're just sittin there doin one deadlift or squat at a time opposes to doin 10 tire flips then 10 muscle ups for 3 rounds yea i would see you have more of a chance to injure yourself with the larger workload. not sayin you cant injure yourself off one squat its just less likely.

you an oly think trainin your body has to be soo cut an dry i have a plan an i stick to it. thats far from bein true thats how YOU like to train. id love to hear how havin a set routine can keep you from injury opposed to just doin what you feel like that day? cause it makes no difference. why are all of a sudden football players an mma fighters gettin into crossfit if "fundamental/write the shit down" workouts are better for athletes? that proven science line is also bullshit what proven science? you realize most of the crossfit motions are exercises taken from other types of trainin right? irregardless of if you think its revolutionary or not its growin in that fashion an it cant be denied it works.

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lets get one thing straight off top. YOU are the one comin her attackin the crossfit method. i didnt attack any kind of trainin at all. when did i also ever say squats an deadlifts arent functional? they are two of the most used movements in crossfit. lol i also never said i hate powerliftin an i give nothin but props to anyone who achieves anythin in any kinda sport/trainin so why are you bringin that up? an you're gonna try an tell me throwin 400lbs over your head with one hand is safer than a thruster? lmao you think we just take the heaviest weight we can an try an throw that shit up as many times as we can? ppl start off with fuckin pvc pipes before they even touch a bar much less put weight on one to get their form correct an slowly move their way up. for someone who says they trained it for 3 months you either didnt pay attention or had shitty ppl showin you the ropes cause bad form is never ok. an these dudes in these games im pretty sure compete year in year out an arent injured so that logic is out the window as well.

so its bad for the regular joe, but military dudes are good doin it? once again makes no sense if they both strive for the same goal. the weights you use for the workouts do increase but not with everytime you do it. fuck you may only do a wod once every few months an when it comes back around you dont raise the weight from last time just try to get more work in the allowed time. an explain to me how what i said is wrong about the intensity can cause more injury? if you're tryin to push out more reps when you're tired your form usually starts to go down which would cause injury correct? if you're just sittin there doin one deadlift or squat at a time opposes to doin 10 tire flips then 10 muscle ups for 3 rounds yea i would see you have more of a chance to injure yourself with the larger workload. not sayin you cant injure yourself off one squat its just less likely.

you an oly think trainin your body has to be soo cut an dry i have a plan an i stick to it. thats far from bein true thats how YOU like to train. id love to hear how havin a set routine can keep you from injury opposed to just doin what you feel like that day? cause it makes no difference. why are all of a sudden football players an mma fighters gettin into crossfit if "fundamental/write the shit down" workouts are better for athletes? that proven science line is also bullshit what proven science? you realize most of the crossfit motions are exercises taken from other types of trainin right? irregardless of if you think its revolutionary or not its growin in that fashion an it cant be denied it works.

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I didnt come in here attacking anything, so theres no need to start trying to get all hostile. If you dont want my opinion in this thread, just say so. Otherwise get over it and have an intelligent debate about the workout routine you claim is optimal at everything.

The reference to the 400lb lift was to demonstrate that a dangerous lift with a dangerous amount of weight can be done year after year if your program is designed for safety. I didnt claim it was safe, where did you get that??? My point is that if someone who statistically should be broken can lift more weight than anyone in the world, he clearly knows how to avoid injury while getting his body to reach unimaginable performance levels. Am I wrong? Can you, or anyone else, do a 417 lb bent press without getting hurt?

And maybe I did have shitty crossfit instructors, we had a couple guys come to our unit a few times and do some stuff. I spent a week or two following WOD's, and I ended up joining a crossfit gym for 3 months to really see what it was all about. And no, I didnt start with pvc pipes. The first workout I was there, I climbed a rope before flipping tires before doing max # front squats in a given time.....really??? I shouldve walked out right then and there, but I stuck out the full time to try n be openminded. Did I get into better shape then when I started? Yes. Exercise has a tendency to do that, no matter how poorly its designed. In afghan, all we had for a while was some 'crossfit' gear(how the fuck do you even claim something as old as flipping tires is unique crossfit gear) and I made do with it, designing a less conventional program for myself and a few others. But I didn't structure it like a retard either. If the fact that people get into shape by exercising is your defense of a fitness program, again you're exactly who they market to.

I bring up the part about powerlifting being functional because you keep saying this and that about guys only focused on bulk and how crossfit isnt for strength or bulk because that is useless in real-world movements. Bulk, I agree, is mostly useless. But how can you even try to say that being strong is useless?

I didnt say military does good doing it, stop putting words in my mouth. I said its promoted within the military, not that its optimal, successful, or that I recommend it. Big difference.

About the intensity, what you said was wrong because it doesnt agree with what you just said to defend it. Intensity is not the same as workload/volume. Performing a 1rm is as intense as it can get. Doing 30 minutes of continuous movements is not intense(it may feel it, but by definition its not). Just google rhabdomyolysis and see where its most common.

Working out is cut and dry. How isn't it? It's a SCIENCE. Science means there are conclusive facts with no room for opinions. Youre claiming a bunch of crossfit hype as your reasoning and justification here...

I know I have preferences. I also know what benefits can be had by stepping outside those preferences, and believe me I do it more than I want to depending on my goals at the time. Kettlebells, cycling, running(intervals, distance, fartlek, etc), jiu-jitsu, boxing, olympic lifts, powerlifts, traditional strength lifting, circuits, gymnast rings.....Need I go on? I also work with clients and athletes who have far different goals and different preferences than I do, plus old injuries or general trouble areas to work around. So dont try to act like Im some closed-minded meathead just because crossfit doesnt hold up to the medical field. (By the way, youre the one claiming that people continue crossfit because they LIKE it, not because its better)

Set routines have nothing to do with injury, do all the random shit you want. I never claimed that. Its lack of structure isnt the only thing that makes it dangerous. That lack of structure would be fine if they didnt put intense heavy lifts at the end of a longer endurance-based workout. The overall programming is dangerous. Doing a different workout every day isnt random. Random is doing a different workout every day with no overall plan for progression or reason why youre doing it.... just randomly choosing stuff to do. Varied is the word youre looking for. I like varied, see my list above. I dont like random. It's not based on anything. What was the point of 100s of years of experience and medical advancement if youre just going to ignore it?

Athletes are endorsing crossfit because they get paid to do it. Name a world-class athlete that follows the WOD and claims that as his training regimen. Seriously. I'll wait...

Just because they flip tires or use battle ropes as part of their program doesnt mean theyre a crossfitter.

You really think that strength and conditioning coaches all across the country would still be employed if the first time they brought crossfit around, athletes starting smashing records and blasting through old standards? Like I've said, it works. Stop acting like I'm saying otherwise. I'm just saying that its not the revolutionary hype everyone wants to think, and that in many ways, it sucks. As far as athletes go, and not the regular person, heres a few good points I dont feel like explaining myself: http://terrancesstrengthexperience.blogspot.com/2010/02/problem-with-crossfit-for-athletes.html

'What proven science?' EXACTLY!!!! The proven science isn't there. If you say it is, you just arent involved in the field. Simple as that. Proven science includes things like peer-reviewed journals, with pre-screened test subjects, field experts, qualitative measurements, variable control...The closest thing I've seen is the army administering a test that showed an increase in overall workload over the course of 8 weeks (which, like I've said, demonstrates that exercise gets you in shape, not that crossfit is better than any other program, or that its safe) in a bunch of soldiers, but nobody tested what results would have been with different programs, or any sort of longevity.

Honestly one of the biggest things I dont like about crossfit is the 'one size fits all' mentality. Theres a cult of people that believe following a daily workout that someone, who theyve never even talked to, came up with is actually whats optimal for them. Funny I know.

Another is the certification process to become a crossfit trainer.

And the other, which ive mostly been focused on, is the disregard of many well-known training principles discovered over the last 250 years.

Stop being sensitive about me not liking something that you do. I specifically said about 4 times that I'm not attacking crossfit, I've seen and experienced its benefits, it has its place, and that I use certain aspects of the training in my own. I'm trying to help you understand the downfalls and shortcomings of it so that you can make your own better decisions about what to do with your own body, since you seem interested in fitness and all. I'm a HUGE advocate of circuit training, interval training, and crosstraining. I, and many many medical, health, and fitness professionals, agree that crossfit is not the way to go about doing those though. So lose the hostility, and at least make sure you understand my arguments before you go putting words in my mouth to base your own counterarguments on.

blaze, just do some research on exercise periodization.


there is plenty of proven science behind our approach, do readings on zatsiorsky, kraemer, mike boyle, gray cook, charlie weingroff, some of the best in the industry...

if xfit was so good, every program in the nation would follow it...

and as for the pro athletes going for xfit, they do not know that they have some of the best strength coaches in the industry. by doing this, they are disrespecting their coaches in the highest of ways.

it takes years for those dudes(strength coaches) to get to where they are at, and trust me, they have the experience in the sport to know that xfit does not transfer to athletic performance.


you see, as a strength coach, you have to look at the demand of the sport and begin from there. after you learned the demands, you have to look at where to start this structured approach with the athletes you have. this is where many disagree with xfit,. no athlete is the same, no matter what. there will always be discrepancies amongst the population of athletes you have. xfit wants to do the same work for each and every athlete you have... that shit is not structured and is the cookie cutter one size fits all approach mike is talking about.


I understand where you are coming from man... you just have to see past their hype and understand exercise programming as a whole...

knowshaun mareno, chris cooley, brandon marshall, nate jones, matt hasselback are the few that ive heard an seen them doin crossfit off season. an they all say the movements they do there help them in football. now should i believe you or actual athletes that do it? no offense to you just sayin. i guess intensity wasnt the best word to describe what i was tryin to get across or its you that doesnt get the definition of intense. sure a one rep pr squat is intense, but so is a 20 minute long workout with 3 bodyweight movements as fast an hard as you can.

an if the military is keen on doin it an those dudes tend to stay in shape for all around activity/war then it should be more than good enough for normal people who want to get into shape. both of yall keep goin back to strength trainin strength strength. you get stronger as a crossfitter yes, but its not your main goal. you get cut, but again not a main goal. to some yes, but to most its just to live a better life.

the reason why strength coaches around the world arent losin their jobs to crossfit coaches is because ITS NOT ALL ABOUT STRENGTH holy fuck. those athletes have those kinda trainers because they are tuned into what specific sport they're playin. why would an olympic weight lifter want to run 800m then do some pullups an kettle bell swings? fuck no so that argument is just pointless. an the science is in the results of ppl who crossfit an thats all ppl care about. an as you two elude to that you say isnt true which it is for anyone. sure with every person there are certain injuries that will make some not be able to do movements like others, but besides things like that or diabetes or other illnesses the shit can be taylored to anyone.

maybe my "sensitivity" comes from askin if anyone is watchin the games an now its a debate on weither its a good trainin program or not. plus soo many that dont have the knowledge that you two have say the same shit you do just cause they heard it from someone or they just simply dont understand whats goin on. id still like to see this bad form that is bein talked about too

i put it on the videos i posted....

and strength coach entails plenty of disciplines, not just STRENGTH.

it shows the bad decision noshaun made as for the other athletes on there, they have all been plagued by injury or loss of performance...

and it also turns out, plenty of xfits have been sued... that is why xfit had to make their insurance, no one wanted to cover them anymore...

I will not bother you about the subject anymore... you are getting mad or something... we are just trying to inform the public about the reality of what these programs are, but as always, we are met with plenty of resistance...

and didnt you hurt your arm doing a xfit move? thats all proof you need that the choices they give you are not the best and do not consider individual differences and specificity.

blazinkill504 said:

knowshaun mareno, chris cooley, brandon marshall, nate jones, matt hasselback are the few that ive heard an seen them doin crossfit off season. an they all say the movements they do there help them in football. now should i believe you or actual athletes that do it? no offense to you just sayin. i guess intensity wasnt the best word to describe what i was tryin to get across or its you that doesnt get the definition of intense. sure a one rep pr squat is intense, but so is a 20 minute long workout with 3 bodyweight movements as fast an hard as you can.

an if the military is keen on doin it an those dudes tend to stay in shape for all around activity/war then it should be more than good enough for normal people who want to get into shape. both of yall keep goin back to strength trainin strength strength. you get stronger as a crossfitter yes, but its not your main goal. you get cut, but again not a main goal. to some yes, but to most its just to live a better life.

the reason why strength coaches around the world arent losin their jobs to crossfit coaches is because ITS NOT ALL ABOUT STRENGTH holy fuck. those athletes have those kinda trainers because they are tuned into what specific sport they're playin. why would an olympic weight lifter want to run 800m then do some pullups an kettle bell swings? fuck no so that argument is just pointless. an the science is in the results of ppl who crossfit an thats all ppl care about. an as you two elude to that you say isnt true which it is for anyone. sure with every person there are certain injuries that will make some not be able to do movements like others, but besides things like that or diabetes or other illnesses the shit can be taylored to anyone.

maybe my "sensitivity" comes from askin if anyone is watchin the games an now its a debate on weither its a good trainin program or not. plus soo many that dont have the knowledge that you two have say the same shit you do just cause they heard it from someone or they just simply dont understand whats goin on. id still like to see this bad form that is bein talked about too

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Alright check it out. I'm gonna lay this out and leave it alone because its clearly not gonna go anywhere. You have yet to bring a single shred of anything to justify crossfit's programming concept, we've both brought countless points against it, and directed you to plenty of information that confirms and expands on all of it, with proven, documented science(which I now know you dont care about anyway, go crossfit). All youre doing is defending crossfit blindly because 'it works'(what exercise doesnt work?), instead of taking its strengths and weaknesses into context and making an informed decision(exactly what these programs are marketed for). The movements in crossfit are useful, functional, and applicable in daily life. I include these types of movements in ANY program. I dont, however, condone the way crossfit does it. You seem to be twisting that into me hating anything not including a barbell and 250+lbs.

Yes, my background lends a lot of strength-specific experience so it is one of my strong areas(no pun intended) but that doesnt mean I'm ignorant to the big picture, which you seem to be. Like I already said, I'm specifically pointing out weaknesses in the way crossfit is designed and programmed, not the overall concept of well-rounded athleticism. One of the things I've noticed about crossfitters is that anything circuit/functional/interval/'less-than-conventional' suddenly falls into crossfit, and anyone not liking crossfit must not want to get 'in shape', only bigger. Youve only confirmed that experience one more time. There's right ways to go about any form of exercise, and theres wrong ways.

And I wouldnt consider any of those names good examples. They use crossfit part-time in the offseason to keep themselves in shape. That's not an example of a world class athlete following the WOD and giving it credit for their resulting athletic performance. They have strength and conditioning coaches that allow them to reach peak performance, whom I guarantee you aren't just waiting for the new WOD so they can start training their athletes. So I'll keep waiting..

I dont really care who you believe which is why I was trying to point you in the right direction(secondary education) to find out for yourself.

I didnt say the military keeps doing it. Again, stop putting words in my mouth. Being promoted is not the same thing as being widely implemented, let alone successfully. Bureaucracies, I'm not gonna go into it...

Being 'good enough for normal people who want to get into shape' is exactly what I said this good for. But so is walking. So how is that even an argument defending such a 'revolutionary' concept? Plus, its not even great for that, since it encourages maximum effort and progress in a 'one-size-fits-all' program before building a foundation, and beginners are so much more likely to get hurt like that.

I also dont keep going back to strength training strength training strength training, so stop saying I am. But for you to act like muscular efficiency has nothing to do with all-around health and athleticism is completely ignorant. Neuromuscular coordination(and the resulting strength) also increases power, explosiveness, agility, and speed. Along with more efficient use of atp, better waste removal, increased circulation, and a more efficient conversion of creatine, which in turn allows the muscles to work longer before becoming exhausted(endurance, right?). So don't act like Im trying to single strength out as THE goal. Oh yeah, health benefits of strength in general: increased bone density, stronger cardiovascular system, increased coordination, reduced risk for countless diseases, better immune function, increased metabolism and with it lower body fat...Again, I could go on. If those things arent included in a 'better life' then by all means being strong is horrible for you.

I said strength and conditioning coaches, funny how you left out half of their title. If you were involved with the industry, you would know theyre not just there to get you stronger. You really think that Bill Starr didn't know what he was talking about?

If the only science you care about is results, keep watching p90x infomercials. Great 'science' there. I'll stick to the results discovered with years of research and actual experts, not a fatass who started exercising and got into shape, with the help of serious camera work: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M957dACQyfU&feature=player_embedded I've never denied that it works for getting you into shape, like any form of exercise. So one more time, stop putting words in my mouth. Or at least actually read my arguments, before(once again) creating arguments on my behalf so you can essentially argue with yourself.

If youd like to see the bad form weve mentioned, walk into a crossfit gym. If you cant find bad form, start taking physio and biomechanics classes before you get hurt.

Now I'll let you get back to talking about your games. Sorry for talking about crossfit in a crossfit thread.

well said my man

ima try an break this down for you two so you can maybe understand you're doin the same shit you accuse me of which is "not seein the big picture" i mainly think its cause you two like i said do mainly strength shit so you only wanna hear what comes out of your own mouth. after this if it hasnt sunk in then it never will.

first off lets not take some truth an make it into what you want. i hurt my neck while doin a handstand pushup yes. was it because of the actual movement? fuck no i was comin off the wall an i thought i was gonna hit a machine so i tucked in an kinda rolled out an landed on my neck. nothin to do with the movement itself. an im pretty damn sure gyms get sued too so that holds no ground.

was this crossfit?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAKa5MCIKAY
this dont look like crossfit either
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVAVG7_pw9M

i could continue to show more but i think you get the point that injury occurs no matter if its crossfit, powerliftin, or strength trainin so dont pretend that shit doesnt happen. yea i train EVERY aspect of every kinda program, but i dont see the big picture lol. take the time to actually read an let this shit sink in before you reply please. you point out weaknesses in crossfit yet you dont seem to bring to light the weaknesses of just trainin one way. you do nothin but strength shit an you wont be able to bend over or turn to wipe your ass. little to no flexibility is hand an hand with strength/bodybuildin/powerliftin trainin.

lets be honest most go to a gym to either look good or be strong. i doubt either one of you will deny that. people that lift nothin but weights are tryin to be in shape? so you dont consider them good examples means they arent? lmao im sorry dude but thats a bit egoish considerin they are in the nfl an you arent. they do it on the off season to stay fit an ready for when they have to hit the weight room. you are now puttin words in my mouth when you say that i think an athlete can do nothin but crossfit an destroy in football or any other sport. thats just flat out dumb of course they have to do workouts specific to what sport they do. it does help them with their endurance an explosiveness tho thats why knon marono said in the video below he'll be in the nfl room, but he's gonna make it to the crossfit box as much as he can cause it is helpin him with his job.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fe2-Tnw-65E&feature=relmfu

if the military dudes arent gettin way into it why are they makin their own wod's? of course once again they keep their pt tuned to what they will need to do in war an they use crossfit to kick their overall endurance up a notch.

we both know better that walkin isnt gonna get you in a all around shape like crossfit so i dont even know why you mentioned that. now i know you are either lyin about you doin crossfit or like i said had shitty trainers because every new member takes BABY steps before they get into the actual real workouts thats why they have levels for ppl that they have to go thru before they even do the full wods so they dont get hurt like that.

the strength shit is more aimed at oly because he seems to just focus in on strength trainers when he posts. so you're sayin a dude can go to a gym an do strength shit an cause of that it'll raise his endurance enough to run a 5k non-stop. thats just laughable. so if a person does just mainly crossfit you're tellin me he/she wouldnt get any of those health gains just cause they arent only doin strength trainin? c'mon now.

i dont do p90x an i never put that into the mix thats you two. you cant deny the shape of crossfitters so i dont have to argue that.i read everythin you say an take into account both of yalls words, but based on yalls responses yall dont read jack shit of what i say so once again calm down with all that crazy talk.

id also like to see these examples of these heavy lifts followed by long endurance shit cause ive never seen that in any crossfit workouts. the last heat in the games dudes were cleanin 95lbs an goin to ring dips. keep in mind 90% of they are over 170lbs. thats reaaaaaal heavy man i tell ya. an id also like for you to look at the dudes doin these games an show me how their form is soo terrible? i can walk into a crossfit an see randoms havin bad form just like i can walk into a gym an see MANY more havin bad form. im the on bein one sided tho? lol

let me show you why i wanted to get into crossfit. it wasnt no cult hype or none of the shit yall are namin. it was this video watch it if you dont watch any other an then tell me crossfitters have no structure
http://games.crossfit.com/video/days-life-rich-froning

id also like to add that my mon-fri workouts are mainly strength driven. monday:legs/biceps tuesday:chest/abs wednesday:back thursday:triceps/abs friday:legs/shoulders all with barbell and or on a home gym. i am well versed in my liftin experience an ive been doin this shit for 10 years. i also have kickboxin drills on saturday, run atleast twice a week an do a crossfit wod twice a week. i wanna be ALL AROUND fit an in shape. if you look at every kinda trainin programs they have what would have you be the most well rounded? to me its crossfit an if you would like to show me another id be more than glad to check it out. i doubt you will tho because no trainin program specializes in no speciality. jack of all trades an by that you benefit in all aspects strength,flexibility,endurance,gymnastics,powerliftin.