Crop Rotation!?!

greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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cannakis said:
Yeah I Always dump my pots and replant...

But no you're not understanding what I Am saying.

Crop rotation has Nothing to do with Manuring/Fertilizing the field. They are doing that Regardless. Ugh I'm going to have to do some Current Day research and prove to you all...

Again like I've been saying it's the Succession of the Same plants that produces A Lack of Biodiversity and Lowers immunity, in return allowing the development of disease.

And Worms are a Part of Husbandry they are Everywhere out in the fields... Well if it's a True Farm and not a chemical current day waste land... Worms have been working with farmers from the beginning.!
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dude you are totally missing the point.
WHEN have you seen cannabis diseases?
WHEN have you seen deficient crops?
Don't take this the wrong way, but you haven't even made a successful soil recipe yet (mostly because you deter from our advice)
concentrate on making a good recipe, and a good soil, before worrying what happens when you get 3, 4 , 5 seasons out of it.
And then if you EVER do in fact see a disease from what you are referring to, then you can worry about it.
It's sorta like worrying how to deal with a physical malady, without having it to begin with.
 
GreenSanta

GreenSanta

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The only diseases I know of with cannabis are root rot from over watering and powdery mildew or botritys, from too high relative humidity and poor airflow or... as far as pest goes, spider mites, gnats, thrips. I guess pest is the main reason you would want to set the soil aside for a while.
 
cannakis

cannakis

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greasemonkeymann said:
dude you are totally missing the point.
WHEN have you seen cannabis diseases?
WHEN have you seen deficient crops?
Don't take this the wrong way, but you haven't even made a successful soil recipe yet (mostly because you deter from our advice)
concentrate on making a good recipe, and a good soil, before worrying what happens when you get 3, 4 , 5 seasons out of it.
And then if you EVER do in fact see a disease from what you are referring to, then you can worry about it.
It's sorta like worrying how to deal with a physical malady, without having it to begin with.
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Actually my soil is fucking perfect once I added the Acidic ingredients I needed... You know that Potential Hydrogen bologna you all say is fake... My soil is damn near perfect, and Almost complete locally sourced.

And preparing for disasters is Exactly what all these fucking insurance companies do... Honestly you are paying them FOR A DISASTER TO HAPPEN! That's why I do NOT buy insurance I will pay the illegal tax! THE LORD IS THE GREAT PHYSICIAN!

I mean you didn't even look at the Plant Disease Journal did you?! There are THOUSANDS of diseases, and just because we don't have an extensive biology degree and can Not determine Specific diseases, then how can you say there's not!?

Again open some research... http://apsjournals.apsnet.org/loi/pdis
I pasted it again so hopefully you won't miss it...
And this too...
http://www.cefs.ncsu.edu/resources/organicproductionguide/croprotationsfinaljan09.pdf

There's Not going to be Specific Cannabis disease diagnosis UNTIL they are Legally Allowed to research it and thanks to Sanja Gupta who helped push the Federal Research to Actually Grow Cannabis instead of looking at barren land. So it's going to be years until there are Specific Scientific Journals Proving diseases...

Until then I think that researching Other plant's diseases and causes and cures is a good start...

Phytopathology is the specific name for PLANT DISEASES! And guess what Cannabis is a plant! WHOA!!! Yeah I said it...

And did you even look at the chart I provided a few posts back... Asparagus takes 8 years until soil borne pathogens are developed...

Again, I'm trying to open up debate on a topic that is Non existent in container growing. And again, my soil is Perfect now, not a single deficiency... Thank GOD!!! And I made up my own recipe... Following all of your alls recipes of course though, thanks for all the information.

But plant diseases Do Exist. Phytopathogy.
 
cannakis

cannakis

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GreenSanta said:
The only diseases I know of with cannabis are root rot from over watering and powdery mildew or botritys, from too high relative humidity and poor airflow or... as far as pest goes, spider mites, gnats, thrips. I guess pest is the main reason you would want to set the soil aside for a while.
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Haha and ANTS! Don't forget ants! I just had an Army of those bastards come in yesterday Gnaw on my new fresh cookies&cream beans--I guess they are really cookies&cream!--never saw it before at all! As soon as I saw them and knocked one off haha they All started jumping off and ran away and we're all gone within minutes hahaha!!! It was like some movie! Ants 2!
 
HiloReign

HiloReign

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Saying that rotating crops are "just for cash cropping" is ignorant.

We can break pest life cycles through rotation as well as add biodiversity, encourage predator insects, add fertility via green manures, etc...

That is not to say you can't run a healthy living soil in a tent for many years though it does beg the question: what benefits can be seen through crop rotation in a no-till indoor situation? Obviously if you're cycling out weed (and this is a CASH operation) there better be some damn good reasons to do so... For the sake of science I'd love to see some experimenting done.

I like to sow my pots with whatever extra seeds I have on hand (clover, flax, etc) a couple weeks before I transplant my weedlings into them... I can't quantify any benefits but the transplants don't miss a heartbeat.
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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cannakis said:
Actually my soil is fucking perfect once I added the Acidic ingredients I needed... You know that Potential Hydrogen bologna you all say is fake... My soil is damn near perfect, and Almost complete locally sourced.

And preparing for disasters is Exactly what all these fucking insurance companies do... Honestly you are paying them FOR A DISASTER TO HAPPEN! That's why I do NOT buy insurance I will pay the illegal tax! THE LORD IS THE GREAT PHYSICIAN!

I mean you didn't even look at the Plant Disease Journal did you?! There are THOUSANDS of diseases, and just because we don't have an extensive biology degree and can Not determine Specific diseases, then how can you say there's not!?

Again open some research... http://apsjournals.apsnet.org/loi/pdis
I pasted it again so hopefully you won't miss it...
And this too...
http://www.cefs.ncsu.edu/resources/organicproductionguide/croprotationsfinaljan09.pdf

There's Not going to be Specific Cannabis disease diagnosis UNTIL they are Legally Allowed to research it and thanks to Sanja Gupta who helped push the Federal Research to Actually Grow Cannabis instead of looking at barren land. So it's going to be years until there are Specific Scientific Journals Proving diseases...

Until then I think that researching Other plant's diseases and causes and cures is a good start...

Phytopathology is the specific name for PLANT DISEASES! And guess what Cannabis is a plant! WHOA!!! Yeah I said it...

And did you even look at the chart I provided a few posts back... Asparagus takes 8 years until soil borne pathogens are developed...

Again, I'm trying to open up debate on a topic that is Non existent in container growing. And again, my soil is Perfect now, not a single deficiency... Thank GOD!!! And I made up my own recipe... Following all of your alls recipes of course though, thanks for all the information.

But plant diseases Do Exist. Phytopathogy.
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ok, you got it all figured out.
cannabis gets all sorts of diseases that could be remedied by simply rotating crops.
this thread should be a sticky
you are right, we are wrong.
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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greasemonkeymann said:
dude you are totally missing the point.
WHEN have you seen cannabis diseases?
WHEN have you seen deficient crops?

And then if you EVER do in fact see a disease from what you are referring to, then you can worry about it.
It's sorta like worrying how to deal with a physical malady, without having it to begin with.
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at the risk of being a douche, I am re-quoting myself.
with a emphasis on my point.
worrying about other plants' diseases is silly...
 
cannakis

cannakis

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greasemonkeymann said:
ok, you got it all figured out.
cannabis gets all sorts of diseases that could be remedied by simply rotating crops.
this thread should be a sticky
you are right, we are wrong.
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No you're taking this too personal. I'm not saying I have it All figured out and Not saying rotation will "cure" everything, that's just a sweeping generalization. Think outside of your own box.
And powder mildew is A FUCKING DISEASE!!! Which Other plants get! That's like saying oh these fertilizers say Onlg for tomatoes guess I can't use them for bud...
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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cannakis said:
No you're taking this too personal. I'm not saying I have it All figured out and Not saying rotation will "cure" everything, that's just a sweeping generalization. Think outside of your own box.
And powder mildew is A FUCKING DISEASE!!! Which Other plants get! That's like saying oh these fertilizers say Onlg for tomatoes guess I can't use them for bud...
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no man, you know I love ya brother. Not taking it personally at all.
just it's hard to see you directing your energy and attention to irrelevant things.
and like he said. powder mold isn't a disease at all.
You are overthinking it again.

And thinking outside the box is my WORLD, I diagnose and solve problems and symptoms other auto shops cannot, they send they problem cars to me, and I fix them.
troubleshooting and assimilating facts and making educated assessments of their maladies is what I do, all day.

You mention powder mold... how is it that a crop rotation or anything of that nature is even relevant to airborne spores?
THAT is my point, you are a smart kid, I can tell that, but that can sometimes having you overanalyze things.
although I did take the comment about "potential hydrogen" a lil weird..
but you can check your ph in you soil if it makes you happy.
"we" all said ph wasn't an issue in a properly assembled soil mix.
That's all we said
 
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cannakis

cannakis

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greasemonkeymann said:
no man, you know I love ya brother. Not taking it personally at all.
just it's hard to see you directing your energy and attention to irrelevant things.
and like he said. powder mold isn't a disease at all.
You are overthinking it again.

And thinking outside the box is my WORLD, I diagnose and solve problems and symptoms other auto shops cannot, they send they problem cars to me, and I fix them.
troubleshooting and assimilating facts and making educated assessments of their maladies is what I do, all day.

You mention powder mold... how is it that a crop rotation or anything of that nature is even relevant to airborne spores?
THAT is my point, you are a smart kid, I can tell that, but that can sometimes having you overanalyze things.
although I did take the comment about "potential hydrogen" a lil weird..
but you can check your ph in you soil if it makes you happy.
"we" all said ph wasn't an issue in a properly assembled soil mix.
That's all we said
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Haha thanks brother! I do over analyze and chase rabbits...! But I Am saying powdery mildew Is A Disease not necessarily that rotation will prevent it... Though I'm sure it could help;)! But that's what I was saying is that you say there are No plant diseases but PM Is a Disease. Even if airborne. And I was just saying pH does matter Especially if using unknown ingredients And/Or it is a new piece of land... But yes you are Right pH hasn't been around but for a little over a hundred years, and Thousands of years farmers made great soil without knowing the pH. But thanks for saying to focus my attention on important matters... I will have to come back to crop rotation later I've got some other things to get first... Like Genetics!!! QUALITY GENES!
 
Vnsmkr

Vnsmkr

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HiloReign said:
Saying that rotating crops are "just for cash cropping" is ignorant.

We can break pest life cycles through rotation as well as add biodiversity, encourage predator insects, add fertility via green manures, etc...

That is not to say you can't run a healthy living soil in a tent for many years though it does beg the question: what benefits can be seen through crop rotation in a no-till indoor situation? Obviously if you're cycling out weed (and this is a CASH operation) there better be some damn good reasons to do so... For the sake of science I'd love to see some experimenting done.

I like to sow my pots with whatever extra seeds I have on hand (clover, flax, etc) a couple weeks before I transplant my weedlings into them... I can't quantify any benefits but the transplants don't miss a heartbeat.
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Hilo in this day and age EVERYTHING is done for cash so that was my point. The only reason those crops are rotated (these days) is to maximize the money made. Of course its not as a whole only for cash cropping. Though I still think keep a healthy living soil and there is no need unless you are doing fields and fields.
 
HiloReign

HiloReign

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I could name a handful of homesteads who employ rotation for reasons I stated above and more (I worked on them).

"These days" people think cash is everything which I sadly agree with you on.
 
cannakis

cannakis

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You know me, can't ever stop thinking about things...

So I'm thinking of using my old soil and sow a mixture of beans, soy, peas, rye, and wheat... Let them all sprout then till them into the soil, Then throw in my amendments like kelp and humic/fulvic acid, gypsum and lime, cottonseed meal and sulfur, forest mould and sawdust bedding manure.

But Maybe I should sow Just beans, then next time Just peas... I don't know I think the mixture will be good.

http://www.bobsredmill.com/whole-grains-beans-soup-mix.html
Get that with some Soy beans to add...
http://www.bobsredmill.com/soy-beans.html
 
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