Crop King clone issues, droopy af

Hello everyone,

I’m having some difficulty on my fifth plant, a Crop King Crown Royale clone from a friend. It started when she was a few weeks into vegetative stage, with some spotting on lower/older growth curling up and falling off. At that time she was under a 400w MH, but I have since moved her to the 4x4 under the 1000w MH.

She has only gotten worse, exhibiting both symptoms of over watering and under at times. I have already done a flush, the runoff from 6.0 pH water is coming out at 5.9. Soil slurry test was exactly at 6.5. I let her go almost dry to see if overwatering was the issue, since the upper leaves display the characteristic fat look, that 3-D look you can see from the photos, and she only got worse. When I finally watered her, the top leaves seemed to perk back up, but the lower leaves stayed flaccid. She can’t seem to sort out :/


Shes stumped me and I’m not quite sure what I have going on here, if anybody would more experience could lend some information I’d be much appreciated to have. Thank you!


Type: Soil, FFoF amended w/Azomite, Extra Perlite, coco

Strain: Crop King Crown Royale clone, photo

Light: 1000w MH/HPS

Pot size- 7 gallon root pouch

Nutes- Earth Juice (started 4 weeks after to use soil nutrients up first) then switched to General Organics in an attempt to fix what I thought at first was a Phosphorus deficiency.

Temp: 74/72 (on/off)

Humidity: 55%


6” exhaust with intake bringing fresh outside air inside the tent.


THANK YOU IN ADVANCE!!

Pics from oldest, moving into new tent and finally this morning after last nights watering

only problem i see is too much N. you might have some root issues. i'd water with some h202 a few times, it'll kill anything living in your medium, and help dissolve any dead root tissue. 3 ml of 30% per gallon. if all you can get is the 3% stuff at the store, 20ml per gallon.

Roger A. Shrubber said:

only problem i see is too much N. you might have some root issues. i'd water with some h202 a few times, it'll kill anything living in your medium, and help dissolve any dead root tissue. 3 ml of 30% per gallon. if all you can get is the 3% stuff at the store, 20ml per gallon.

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I never thought about using that stuff, the roots looked alright at transplant but you might be right as I’ve never had issues w roots before. Thank you!!

i don't think you have pythium (root rot) but it couldn't hurt. is that pot sitting on the floor? how cold is the floor? i have all of mine sitting on pieces of old exercise mat, keeps the roots a lot warmer than sitting on the floor.
and are you checking your ph going in? and when was the last time you checked the accuracy of your ph meter?
just questions...i really don't see much wrong with that plant, but if it's not responding like it should, there's usually a reason. just don't start doing "things" to see if it helps...better to figure out whats really wrong than to try a lot of stuff....even if something does help, you won't know which thing it was.
how long ago was it last transplanted? if ever? may just need a little more time to get established well

Roger A. Shrubber said:

i don't think you have pythium (root rot) but it couldn't hurt. is that pot sitting on the floor? how cold is the floor? i have all of mine sitting on pieces of old exercise mat, keeps the roots a lot warmer than sitting on the floor.
and are you checking your ph going in? and when was the last time you checked the accuracy of your ph meter?
just questions...i really don't see much wrong with that plant, but if it's not responding like it should, there's usually a reason. just don't start doing "things" to see if it helps...better to figure out whats really wrong than to try a lot of stuff....even if something does help, you won't know which thing it was.
how long ago was it last transplanted? if ever? may just need a little more time to get established well

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It’s on a raised plant stand w airflow underneath, floor of tent might be a bit colder as I’m in an uninsulated basement. I always ph to 6.5 w/bluelab pen that I calibrate weekly. Yeh I transplanted her from a 3 gallon pot to the 7 gallon about Nov 13th. You’re right about trying to fix it, it’s just difficult watching a plant go to shit and not do anything but they will get worse if you try too many options. What would you suggest moving forward past trying hydrogen peroxide on the next watering?

actual full blown root rot will cause large white necrotic patches on leaves, that get worse as it progresses. then you'll start getting reddish spots along the edges...then the leaves will start to drop. i think something has just slowed down your root growth temporarily. keep treating them right, and they should catch up. if you see any of the things i mentioned starting up, then you've got a problem.
you seem to be aware of your ph, you know to keep them off the cold floor, they aren't particularly overfed, so you shouldn't have salt build up....the h2o2 can't hurt, as long as you don't over do it. it will kill any pathogens in your medium, dissolve dead tissue, and oxygenate the medium as it works. if you aren't running beneficial microbes in your garden, i'd use it every third or fourth watering as a preventative....in fact, that's exactly what i do.
you do have a little claw forming, maybe cut back about 20% on the nutes, and water till you get a little run off every second or third time, make sure you don't have depleted nutrient salts building up.

Roger A. Shrubber said:

actual full blown root rot will cause large white necrotic patches on leaves, that get worse as it progresses. then you'll start getting reddish spots along the edges...then the leaves will start to drop. i think something has just slowed down your root growth temporarily. keep treating them right, and they should catch up. if you see any of the things i mentioned starting up, then you've got a problem.
you seem to be aware of your ph, you know to keep them off the cold floor, they aren't particularly overfed, so you shouldn't have salt build up....the h2o2 can't hurt, as long as you don't over do it. it will kill any pathogens in your medium, dissolve dead tissue, and oxygenate the medium as it works. if you aren't running beneficial microbes in your garden, i'd use it every third or fourth watering as a preventative....in fact, that's exactly what i do.
you do have a little claw forming, maybe cut back about 20% on the nutes, and water till you get a little run off every second or third time, make sure you don't have depleted nutrient salts building up.

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Thank you!!! I’ll get it done, all of that sounds like great advice. I def was thinking about the leaves as well! You’re a gentleman and a scholar.

Imaginathan said:

Thank you!!! I’ll get it done, all of that sounds like great advice. I def was thinking about the leaves as well! You’re a gentleman and a scholar.

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no, i'm not, but thnx.

I had a crown royal same idea... left in ideal conditions plant hated life no matter what clones of her hated life . The weed sucked and wasnt worth the hassle.

waxman420 said:

I had a crown royal same idea... left in ideal conditions plant hated life no matter what clones of her hated life . The weed sucked and wasnt worth the hassle.

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It’s frustrating eh? After learning to grow this plant over the course of a year I’ve definitely seen my share of mistakes, but I usually enjoy figuring out the issue and getting that satisfaction of troubleshooting. This girl has just been a bitch though, it’s stressing me out which is the opposite of why I use it to begin with. I will try to salvage something for flour but at least I have a new crop right behind her who make my day.

This girl has been drying out for almost a week so I can rule out overwatering, even though the leaves look fat still she looks brutal

So I ruled outoverwatering and watered her last night and woke up to this! I guess she’s had chronic underwatering somehow, being that perked up after awatering. Rookie mistake! Just shows how fairly seasoned gardeners can still make noob mistakes.