Creation vs Evolution vs Whatever Else

Untrue.It's all about trying to get more folks into the flock.When the fear tactics stopped working, then they switched to "love". You've still not addressed the fact that misogyny is present in the New testament as well.You can't use the bible to prove the bible,no matter what version you're referring to. You can't say, "oh we're not like that now,it's all about love," because it simply isn't.If it was all about love, Christians wouldn't condemn homosexuals, bomb abortion clinics,campaign against birth control .
You haven't refuted any of my arguments, just posted different excerpts from the same book.

x15 said:

hey, stoney

just wanted to say that the premise of the bible (new testament) is to achieve agape love. never are we to lord over our wives, neighbors, travelers...but instead we are commanded to be servants to our wives, neighbors, travelers, esteeming others better than oneself.

"No one shows greater love than when he lays down his life for his friends."
- john 15:13

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This has nothing to do with this discussion.

x15 said:

"...if any be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new..."
- II Corinthians 5:17

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Same faith, new marketing campaign.

x15 said:

it's all about love — the new operating system

peace

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Stoney McFried said:

Untrue.It's all about trying to get more folks into the flock.When the fear tactics stopped working, then they switched to "love". You've still not addressed the fact that misogyny is present in the New testament as well...

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misogyny - noun, the hatred of women by men.

this is never taught in the new testament nor the old testament.

btw, i'm always in love mode

the scriptures in Ecclesiastes was written by a despondent man, you have to read it in this context. the same man wrote the Songs of Solomon which is a tribute to a women, his lover. no hatred in either books.

so science says its there, ancient text says its there, google sky will locate it for you. infared scopes have tracked its movements for almost thirty years and its getting closer. not until it closer to our solar system, you wouldnt feel the effects yet besides it will start out small like our magnet field will be the first to exsperience changes. theres far out objects in the solar system that has no effect on us right now so why would this be any different. and science always is looking to space to exsplain extinction scenerios and come to the conclusion of at least one mass extinction from a celestial object. and yes i agree the myan calender 2012 it could just start over because its just a 3600 year calender. hmmm thats wierd i think the summerians in there text mention the 10 planet being on a 3600 hundred year ordit. i understand religon and all that crap being hard to swallow but science?

There is no god. The universe come into being by happenstance. What was before is irrelevant, what is after is irrelevant. We are the product of a 4.5 billion year old solar system, multiple genetic mutations. That is all. When we die, we are dead. We also won't care, just as we didn't care before we were born. Weed is also a product of the same evolution that brought us to the point we are at now. Any belief in supernatural superstition is intellectually dishonest.
While we are on the subject, the bible was written by people, just as all religious text were. Anyone who says the bible is the pinnacle of holiness (or any other text for that mater) has never read said text. The quickest way to become an atheist is to actually read the <insert religious text here>. The bible is so full of holes, that it should have been called the "Holey bible".
To close, there is no real proof that Jesus was a real person. Current evidence points to Jesus being a mythical person that was a compilation of many people of the time. To say that there was a man named Jesus that lived in modern day Israel 2000 years ago is equivalent to saying that there is someone named John that lives in the US today.

Then you're not reading the bible right,sorry.

x15 said:

misogyny - noun, the hatred of women by men.

this is never taught in the new testament nor the old testament.

btw, i'm always in love mode

the scriptures in Ecclesiastes was written by a despondent man, you have to read it in this context. the same man wrote the Songs of Solomon which is a tribute to a women, his lover. no hatred in either books.

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I'm sorry, but the only"science" I've seen about it is pseudo science from youtube and conspiracy websites.The fact is, Jupiter is the vaccum cleaner of the solar system,and the other gas giants to some degree.As it moved inward, it would have to pass ALL of those planets.But first it would have to enter the oort cloud, and kuiper belt.As it did so(And it should already be there now if it is supposedly going to make it here in three years)there would me massive visible disturbances in this area,i.e comets being perturbed out of their orbits,kuiper objects being flung out of the solar system.That isn't happening.Secondly, this planet is supposed to be BIG, bigger than earth...many think it's a brown dwarf.News flash.Jupiter,if it would have been slightly more massive, would have been a brown dwarf. If we placed Jupiter in the oort cloud, it would still be highly visible from earth's telescopes.The smallest brown dwarf found so far is 8 Jupiter masses...and 500 light years away.We can see it,and it's disk of dust and rocks that surround it.Anything bigger than Jupiter would be visible in our solar system,no matter what, and it simply isn't.For a long time, there was abelief that there was a tenth planet, due to the miscalculation of the peturbations of the orbits of Uranus and Neptune.There was a mistake in the math.Please keep in mind also that many ancient cultures counted the moon as a planet.So once again, I state that I simply don't believe in planet x.Here's a website which gives a good explanation as to why it's not happening.http://www.universetoday.com/2008/05/25/2012-no-planet-x/

the420 apprentice said:

so science says its there, ancient text says its there, google sky will locate it for you. infared scopes have tracked its movements for almost thirty years and its getting closer. not until it closer to our solar system, you wouldnt feel the effects yet besides it will start out small like our magnet field will be the first to exsperience changes. theres far out objects in the solar system that has no effect on us right now so why would this be any different. and science always is looking to space to exsplain extinction scenerios and come to the conclusion of at least one mass extinction from a celestial object. and yes i agree the myan calender 2012 it could just start over because its just a 3600 year calender. hmmm thats wierd i think the summerians in there text mention the 10 planet being on a 3600 hundred year ordit. i understand religon and all that crap being hard to swallow but science?

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Misogyny is the right part of the bible (or whatever), maybe not only the one.

I'm a bit misogyny, not in the matter I hate women, I LOVE them. I am misogyny in the matter to keep separated what evolution choose to keep separate.

There is light and dark, hot and cold, fire and water, black and white, man and woman ...

Those things are Yes separated, but complementary.

It's important to love yourself as a single part of a system, this system is going that way and you can't stop it with ignorance.

The differences beetween sex, race etc. exists and the soon you accept them the soon you will enjoy life.

P.S. Sorry for my english, I'm still learning.

those miscalculations have been reputed from both sides. scientist to this day agree something else must be out there, nasa it self as recently announced something they think could be 2-4 mass of earth. theory on the kuiper belt is its a planet that did not form right. well what about a in solar system collision setting this planet on a eliptical orbit, also creating the moon and the kuiper belt. its all just theories and opinions from one scientist to the nezt. hell i dont think its the end of the world but a once in a life time plantery alignment maybe soon enough all will now if it really exist or not. after that the crazy will keeping moving the date of arrival to fit there theory and the rest of us can write it of as fiction

and to the religion on woman thing is easy to see all the big religions keep there woman down and dont believe they are equal to a man and therefore they dont have the same divine rights as a man. this is just my generalization of it. fucking stupid shit.

I hear ya.Personally, I don't think the evidence I've seen is compelling.If I'm wrong, I'll give you my number on doomsday 2012 and you can call me and say,"I fucking told you so, Stoney!"

the420 apprentice said:

those miscalculations have been reputed from both sides. scientist to this day agree something else must be out there, nasa it self as recently announced something they think could be 2-4 mass of earth. theory on the kuiper belt is its a planet that did not form right. well what about a in solar system collision setting this planet on a eliptical orbit, also creating the moon and the kuiper belt. its all just theories and opinions from one scientist to the nezt. hell i dont think its the end of the world but a once in a life time plantery alignment maybe soon enough all will now if it really exist or not. after that the crazy will keeping moving the date of arrival to fit there theory and the rest of us can write it of as fiction

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lollol your the shit stoney i like you. you should write a book u have tons of knowledge and right now the population as a majority doesnt associate with a religion. good time to write open they eyes of some others ah.

Eh, people are gonna go their own way anyway.I don't mind if someone has religion if they don't try to force it on me or my kids in the case of Creationism.People just have to realize..whether there is a being,collective consciousness,etc., out there or not,religion isn't the way to find it.Your relationship to the universe is personal,and can't be squeezed into a cookie cutter,one size fits all ideology.You have to expand the mind you have and come up with your own ideas and possibilities.You are your own god,I believe,and this search for the external some do should instead be an exploration of the internal.

the420 apprentice said:

lollol your the shit stoney i like you. you should write a book u have tons of knowledge and right now the population as a majority doesnt associate with a religion. good time to write open they eyes of some others ah.

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Stoney McFried said:

But when you go back in the fossil record, you DO see that humans did NOT live at the same time as Dinosaur.Which is what creationists forcefully assert, the 6000 year theory.Evolution doesn't claim to have all the answers.But Creationism does.All you have to do is suspend disbelief indefinitely. So...even if you don't believe in evolution, you have to admit Science does exist.And science teaches us critical thinking.It teaches us if a theory does not hold up to scrutiny, discard it. Creationism does not hold up to scrutiny.

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There's evidence of humans and dino's walking together in the same fossilized rock.
Here's a link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXDBX99qePA&feature=related

There are other suspicious things about whats being taught. The grand canyon raises a few questions...If a river carved the grand canyon...where is the river delta that was created?

Someone said you can get neanderthal DNA...I read on it...I highly doubt the validy of their tests?

Carbon Dating: Assumes the amount of carbon in atmosphere in the past is the same as the carbon now. Those levels havent even hit equilibrium yet. There are other flaws also.

Fossilized Record uses circular logic in justifiying the age of the animals. They use the "Age of the Rock" to date the "Age of the Fossils". But this is the best part. The way you date the age of the rocks...You use the age of the fossils....That is BRILLIANT.

This is interesting...

http://discovermagazine.com/2009/apr/27-jack-horner.s-plan-bring-dinosaurs-back-to-life

I saw a documentary about this the other day. They figured out which genes to manipulate in order to make recessive traits come back. For example: In a chicken (most scientists think birds are the modern day descendants of dinosaurs) they were able to grow a tail and even fang-like teeth. Just by reactivating dormant genes they were able to make these features come back to life. The theory is is that all species still have in their DNA the old traits still buried but just turned off. Mutations are a normal occurrence and those are what causes the genes to turn off to begin with. All they need is somebody to switch them back on and these features pop back into existence. This isn't unproven either which is the scary thing! This has actually been done!

If these genes are still present then what does this say about the creationist/evolutionist argument? Pretty interesting stuff!

Forsaken5678 said:

This is interesting...

http://discovermagazine.com/2009/apr/27-jack-horner.s-plan-bring-dinosaurs-back-to-life

I saw a documentary about this the other day. They figured out which genes to manipulate in order to make recessive traits come back. For example: In a chicken (most scientists think birds are the modern day descendants of dinosaurs) they were able to grow a tail and even fang-like teeth. Just by reactivating dormant genes they were able to make these features come back to life. The theory is is that all species still have in their DNA the old traits still buried but just turned off. Mutations are a normal occurrence and those are what causes the genes to turn off to begin with. All they need is somebody to switch them back on and these features pop back into existence. This isn't unproven either which is the scary thing! This has actually been done!

If these genes are still present then what does this say about the creationist/evolutionist argument? Pretty interesting stuff!

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DNA is a complex code....The fact everything uses a code is a sign of intelligence. Not random chance in my opinion. I can take the get lots of words using the alphabet. The letters are the building blocks...I'm going to check out the documentary. I am skeptical that gene manipulation proves anything accept genes can be manipulated.

slipperyP said:

There's evidence of humans and dino's walking together in the same fossilized rock.
Here's a link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXDBX99qePA&feature=related

There are other suspicious things about whats being taught. The grand canyon raises a few questions...If a river carved the grand canyon...where is the river delta that was created?

Someone said you can get neanderthal DNA...I read on it...I highly doubt the validy of their tests?

Carbon Dating: Assumes the amount of carbon in atmosphere in the past is the same as the carbon now. Those levels havent even hit equilibrium yet. There are other flaws also.

Fossilized Record uses circular logic in justifiying the age of the animals. They use the "Age of the Rock" to date the "Age of the Fossils". But this is the best part. The way you date the age of the rocks...You use the age of the fossils....That is BRILLIANT.

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Colorado River is the river that carved the Grand Canyon, the mouth of the Colorado River is near the North Eartern Corner of the Baja Peninsula.

slipperyP said:

DNA is a complex code....The fact everything uses a code is a sign of intelligence. Not random chance in my opinion. I can take the get lots of words using the alphabet. The letters are the building blocks...I'm going to check out the documentary. I am skeptical that gene manipulation proves anything accept genes can be manipulated.

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Read the article my friend. I saw the documentary on NatGeo i think a week or two ago.

TheBrutalTruth said:

Colorado River is the river that carved the Grand Canyon, the mouth of the Colorado River is near the North Eartern Corner of the Baja Peninsula.

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I have been through there many times...there is an enourmous amount of dirt missing....by comparison...even though there is less dirt missing most major rivers have deltas visible from space. Another point of interest to look up.

Also, there are layers of earth that are 1 billion years apart geologically stacked one on top of the other. Which means in a billion years...no sediments deposited there?

The Colorado River cuts directly through an uplifted region called the Kaibab Upwarp. Normally a river would be expected to flow towards lower elevation, but the Colorado has cut right through an elevated region rather than going around it. Water dosen't flow uphill.

Here's my take . . .

I've seen those before.They're fake.

slipperyP said:

There's evidence of humans and dino's walking together in the same fossilized rock.
Here's a link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXDBX99qePA&feature=related

There are other suspicious things about whats being taught. The grand canyon raises a few questions...If a river carved the grand canyon...where is the river delta that was created?

Someone said you can get neanderthal DNA...I read on it...I highly doubt the validy of their tests?

Carbon Dating: Assumes the amount of carbon in atmosphere in the past is the same as the carbon now. Those levels havent even hit equilibrium yet. There are other flaws also.

Fossilized Record uses circular logic in justifiying the age of the animals. They use the "Age of the Rock" to date the "Age of the Fossils". But this is the best part. The way you date the age of the rocks...You use the age of the fossils....That is BRILLIANT.

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Stoney McFried said:

I've seen those before.They're fake.

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never seen the documentation as fakes? I did see where they went and peeled up layers of rock in the dried river be and the tracks kept gong along with dino prints? Tough forgery?