Couple of quick questions.

bicit

bicit

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Well I popped a couple of beans and my feminized seed turned out to be a bouncing baby boy and the regular turned out to be a beautiful baby girl, the exact opposite of what I expected TBH. Forgot about them them for a few weeks and now I have a very pollen covered male. Both healthy but a bit neglected. Figured I'd breed them as an experiment.

Which leads me too a few questions.
1: Does the male have to remain in the room throughout the cycle or can it be culled at some point?
2: How much light does a mother plant require to properly develop seeds? Is it the same as when growing smoke quality herb?
3: What are the big hurdles/mistakes that could come my way?
 
Abiqua

Abiqua

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1. No....hell male flowers don't even have to be fully developed to pop pollen....Once pollen from the staminate plant [male] hits the anthers of the female [pistillate], the pistils will recede into calyx and start to produce an achene [seed w/hull]....

I have had male flowers drip pollen before they were fully open...pollen can either be collected and spread onto female sites with a little brush or leave the male in the for the 1st 4 weeks at least....takes 4-6 weeks to develop a mature seed.... which ties to #2


2. Obviously, the more the better, but normal flowering conditions are fine....following general expectation for a Fruiting plant...not a flowering plant is really the only difference....Does a pregnant female usually need a little more input, instead of just a fertile one?....some do :)

I have even cut the un seeded tops off a female and then put the seeded bottoms into 18/6 for few weeks to finish the seeds in my veg cab, to have More space in flower......it does work.... but that was an extreme case....

3. You seed the fuck out of everything :)
Making seeds isn't that hard, most people gripe for the lack of space or seeding their existing girls....Pollenation tends to take fairly easily with the cannabis species and if anything is overtly sensitive...not much to fuck up once, pollen has touched the koochy....

But breeding is a whole nother beast....
 

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qwizoking

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The only real tip. Seeds are not viable immediately, wait a couple months first.
It only takes 3-4 weeks before seeds are fully mature.
Feminising increases probability but not guaranteed
 
bicit

bicit

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Abiqua said:
1. No....hell male flowers don't even have to be fully developed to pop pollen....Once pollen from the staminate plant [male] hits the anthers of the female [pistillate], the pistils will recede into calyx and start to produce an achene [seed w/hull]....

I have had male flowers drip pollen before they were fully open...pollen can either be collected and spread onto female sites with a little brush or leave the male in the for the 1st 4 weeks at least....takes 4-6 weeks to develop a mature seed.... which ties to #2


2. Obviously, the more the better, but normal flowering conditions are fine....following general expectation for a Fruiting plant...not a flowering plant is really the only difference....Does a pregnant female usually need a little more input, instead of just a fertile one?....some do :)

I have even cut the un seeded tops off a female and then put the seeded bottoms into 18/6 for few weeks to finish the seeds in my veg cab, to have More space in flower......it does work.... but that was an extreme case....

3. You seed the fuck out of everything :)
Making seeds isn't that hard, most people gripe for the lack of space or seeding their existing girls....Pollenation tends to take fairly easily with the cannabis species and if anything is overtly sensitive...not much to fuck up once, pollen has touched the koochy....

But breeding is a whole nother beast....
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Hmm, interesting. How long is the pollen viable for after being dropped? Just hanging out in a pile on a leaf for example? How long will a male release pollen?
 
TubeAndJar

TubeAndJar

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You don't have to take my word for it. In nature that's pretty much how it happens. The seed falls out of the bud and sprouts on the ground. I've even seen Subcool mention that after a rain storm he's seen sprouted seeds on the ground that fell out of the plant. I've also personally seen someone do it. As long as it is a mature seed, it will be fine.

Any real breeders around care to comment?
 
Abiqua

Abiqua

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Sorry, not a real breeder, but seeds will be viable early in some cases....I have had some fall out of the mom, sprout and set leaves in the same pot, before I harvest....it happens....being un-viable for several months, seems to go against a survival strategy in nature....
 
SPLFreak808

SPLFreak808

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Really depends on the environment. If my mothers drop wet moist seeds in my 70%rh room, they will not sprout untill 2-4 weeks. If i drop dry seeds from my sexed mothers they sprout within a few days to a week.
 
qwizoking

qwizoking

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If this happened in nature. Many plants wouldnt require a winterizing period. A period of dryness activates the seed. The seed stays dormant till spring.
Learn how plants work. Fresh seeds do not sprout. This is well known.

Im not a famous breeder. But well known on here. Pull +60lbs a month. 4 grow houses, have ran thousands of seeds. And produced most of them. Been growin some 15-16 years
 
Abiqua

Abiqua

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qwizoking said:
Learn how plants work. Fresh seeds do not sprout. This is well known.
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Source? It is in fact well known that many seeds are viable as soon as they are matured. They do not need a waiting period...Sure if your if the Kalahari and you have developed that strategy to wait for 30 years, okay.

I have a degree in plant sciences, does that now qualify me for the conversation?
 
TubeAndJar

TubeAndJar

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qwizoking said:
A period of dryness activates the seed.
Im not a famous breeder. But well known on here. Pull +60lbs a month. 4 grow houses, have ran thousands of seeds. And produced most of them. Been growin some 15-16 years
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Can you show me a source that says this about cannabis seeds?
With all of that experience under your belt, I'm pretty sure you could yield some awesome nugs, probably even better than mine. That doesn't mean you know everything. There is a saying, "You learn something new every day." and I learned years ago that you can plant a seed immediately and it will sprout just fine in a rapid rooter.
 
Abiqua

Abiqua

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bicit said:
Well I popped a couple of beans and my feminized seed turned out to be a bouncing baby boy and the regular turned out to be a beautiful baby girl, the exact opposite of what I expected TBH. Forgot about them them for a few weeks and now I have a very pollen covered male. Both healthy but a bit neglected. Figured I'd breed them as an experiment.

Which leads me too a few questions.
1: Does the male have to remain in the room throughout the cycle or can it be culled at some point?
2: How much light does a mother plant require to properly develop seeds? Is it the same as when growing smoke quality herb?
3: What are the big hurdles/mistakes that could come my way?
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in regards to #3....that they aren't true male or female and maybe be either both [female or intersex]....

The "turned" male....would be interesting to see if it actually can produce male progeny.....

Here is something interesting, testing wise......
and read their "Hermaphrodite" description....I don't quite agree but for other reasonings altogether....but there is some truth to their statement....just forgot the ...OR part.....

http://phylosbioscience.com/plant-sex-test-instructions/
 
bicit

bicit

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qwizoking said:
I dont believe you
And ive tried hundreds
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Well sorry to inform you that, at least in my case, my seeds were viable right off the plant.

I picked a flower on the 4th and pulled out a pair of seeds. I put them in a petri dish with RO water and a few drops of fulvic acid then put them in the fridge for a half hour. After the half hour I left them on top of my fish tank light. 24 hours later they both sank with a big ol' shit eating grin. I transplanted them into rapid rooters and I'm waiting for them to pop up any day now.

Thanks for the help @Abiqua :weed::clap:
 
Gbuddy

Gbuddy

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qwizoking said:
https://www.rollitup.org/t/2-germ-rate.882785/#post-11877476

There are hundreds of threads ill believe over you
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You are a lil bit too fast bro....
you grow for bud right?
that means you harvest at a certain point when trichs are telling you its time to harvest right?
In this case the MOST seeds in the plant can not be considered fully ripen. They may look like ripen but you can not see whats inside the seed.
this early harvested seed ( for a seed this is early harvest-Im not talking about green seeds) may take some extra time and drying to get fully ripen and to have adequat germrates.
I fully agree with you on that.

You have to count in, that when we grow indoor for seeds only, we let the plant go for a significant longer time, then when you harvest buds bro.
the plants for seeds go untill THEY finished flowering completly. This means the plant is near its natural death before we cut her down. Plenty of seeds will fall out of the bud by gently tappin on the stalk. Those seeds are dry and ready to go.
No extratime needed here bro.
 
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