Conspiracy Theories

Erniedytn

Master of Mayhem
email,

You could be right about nothing happening on Dec. 32, 2012...only time will tell.

As for the Rothschilds.....we are obviousley getting nowhere and debating in circles. I believe they are trying to creat a "one world government"..you do not. Nothing you have said has swayed me in the opposite direction. Hopefully I am wrong....hopefully they are not doing this. Once again...only time will tell.

You have yet to answer one of my questions...so here it is again:

What do you think of this:
YouTube - NORTH AMERICAN UNION & VCHIP TRUTH
 

email468

Well-Known Member
They (rich evil dudes) probably are trying to create a world-wide government. I don't think it is a big secret that the most wealthy folks in the world want to control and rule over us. I don't think they care if they do it with whips and chains, bread and circuses or some kind of implanted microchip. I think everyone in the world could know and believe this information and it wouldn't make one bit of difference.

I think the conclusion at the end (divide and conquer) is erroneous. I mean the single biggest threat to a world-wide government would be a highly nationalistic/patriotic government/citizenry. And the tightest form of that is one that is homogenous (one race, religion, etc..) I mean it took the whole world to defeat little Nazi Germany! So if you really want to defeat "globalism" you would endorse racism, nationalism, or any -ism that would embrace closed borders and a jingoistic government.

The narrator seemed to imply that people who want to break down all those barriers and borders are the only thing that can save us from the dreaded world-wide government when in fact they are actually enabling it! talk about a logistical fallacy!

anyway...

I gotta tell you i'm a bit disappointed... i offer evidence that the planets line up often and the Earth and Sun line up with the galactic center at least twice a year and you still think something might happen with an alignment coming up in 2012? What evidence do you have to think there is going to be something different about this one? Is it the Mayan calendar? That has been demonstrated to be a false interpretation so it can't be that. I am asking cause i want to see some progress - i am offering evidence that debunks the Mayan calendar and the idea that planetary conjunctions can have any influence on Earth whatsoever. In an honest debate, you would either present counter-evidence, you would point out any fallacies in my argument or you would concede my point. Only time will tell sounds like you will believe something is going to happen to matter what evidence i present. if that is the case, then i must withdrawal from this conversation since we'll both be wasting our precious time.

email,

You could be right about nothing happening on Dec. 32, 2012...only time will tell.

As for the Rothschilds.....we are obviousley getting nowhere and debating in circles. I believe they are trying to creat a "one world government"..you do not. Nothing you have said has swayed me in the opposite direction. Hopefully I am wrong....hopefully they are not doing this. Once again...only time will tell.

You have yet to answer one of my questions...so here it is again:

What do you think of this:
YouTube - NORTH AMERICAN UNION & VCHIP TRUTH
 

Erniedytn

Master of Mayhem
I gotta tell you i'm a bit disappointed... i offer evidence that the planets line up often and the Earth and Sun line up with the galactic center at least twice a year and you still think something might happen with an alignment coming up in 2012? What evidence do you have to think there is going to be something different about this one? Is it the Mayan calendar? That has been demonstrated to be a false interpretation so it can't be that. I am asking cause i want to see some progress - i am offering evidence that debunks the Mayan calendar and the idea that planetary conjunctions can have any influence on Earth whatsoever. In an honest debate, you would either present counter-evidence, you would point out any fallacies in my argument or you would concede my point. Only time will tell sounds like you will believe something is going to happen to matter what evidence i present. if that is the case, then i must withdrawal from this conversation since we'll both be wasting our precious time.
You can find all of my thoughts and theories on this subject here:

https://www.rollitup.org/spirituality-sexuality-philosophy/16696-december-21-2012-doomsday.html


I just find it interesting that the last Mayan long count ended 5121 years ago.....the same time as the biblical "Noah's Flood". Lets continue this discussion in that thread.:peace:
 

email468

Well-Known Member

Erniedytn

Master of Mayhem
JFK Assassination Documents Revealed - AOL News


DALLAS (Feb. 17) - Long-hidden items and documents relating to the 1963 assassination of President John F. Kennedy are being revealed for the first time in decades.

Dallas County District Attorney Craig Watkins presented the items at a news conference Monday. Watkins says they were locked in a safe for nearly two decades and that investigators had made him aware of them after he took office in 2006.

Among the items are documents relating to Kennedy assassin Lee Harvey Oswald and his killer, Jack Ruby, including a transcript of a purported conversation between them about killing the president. Curator Gary Mack of the Sixth Floor Museum near where the president was shot hasn't seen the transcript but doubts it is real.

While the transcript reads like a conspiracy theorist's dream — Oswald and Ruby plotting to kill Kennedy — the DA's top assistant said it's likely material for a proposed movie.

Other items found in an old safe on the 10th floor of the county courthouse include letters to and from former DA Henry Wade, the now-dead prosecutor in the Ruby trial, and a movie contract Wade signed. The former prosecutor wrote about the proposed movie, "Countdown in Dallas," in letters found in the safe.

There are also letters to Ruby, records from his trial, a gun holster and clothing that probably belonged to Ruby and Oswald, said District Attorney Watkins.

The transcript purports to be from a meeting between Ruby and Oswald at Ruby's nightclub on Oct. 4, 1963, less than two months before the Nov. 22 assassination. In it, they talked of killing the president because the Mafia wanted to "get rid of" his brother, Attorney General Robert Kennedy.

Says Oswald in the transcript, "I can still do it, all I need is my rifle and a tall building; but it will take time, maybe six months to find the right place; but I'll have to have some money to live on while I do the planning."

Terri Moore, Watkins' top assistant, said she believes the transcript is part of the movie Wade was working on with producers.

"It's not real. Crooks don't talk like that," Moore said. "If that transcript is true, then history is changed because Oswald and Ruby were talking about assassinating the president."

Gary Mack, curator of the Sixth Floor Museum near where the president was shot, hasn't seen the transcript but doubts it's real. It is well-documented that Oswald was in Irving the evening of Oct. 4, at a home where his wife was staying, Mack said.

"The fact that it's sitting in Henry Wade's file, and he didn't do anything, indicates he thought it wasn't worth anything," Mack said. "He probably kept it because it was funny. It's hilarious. It's like a bad B movie."

The transcript resembles one published in a report by the Warren Commission, which investigated Kennedy's assassination and determined that Oswald was the lone gunman. The FBI determined that conversation between Oswald and Ruby about killing the governor was definitely fake.

The account in the commission report was "re-created" for authorities by a now-deceased Dallas attorney who claimed he recognized Oswald in a newspaper photo as the man he saw talking to Ruby.

It's unknown whether the boxes Watkins and others found in the courthouse about a year ago have information previously undisclosed to the public or the Warren Commission.

The search began after Watkins was told the gun used to kill Oswald was somewhere in the courthouse. They didn't find the gun, which Mack said is privately owned. The boxes probably sat in the safe since being moved when the courthouse opened in 1989.

The items are still being processed and eventually will be donated to an entity that can authenticate them, preserve them and make them available to the public, Watkins said.

"It's interesting, and it's not ours," Watkins said. "It's the public's."
I just wanna say that a conspiracy theorists dream WOULD NOT include Oswald plotting to kill the president with Jack Ruby.:roll:
 
There is a big difference between conspiracy theories and conspiracy "facts" - Many of the issues discussed are documented and can be proven as "facts" not "theories" - Do your homework.
 

email468

Well-Known Member
kitty lays the smack down on us :P
and also clearly defines the difference between science and every other way of looking at the world.

theory: structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts.
fact: confirmed to such a degree that it would be perverse to withhold provisional consent. facts, in science, do not mean "absolute certainty".

so while kitty is correct - the "facts" contained in conspiracy theories may be "true" but the conspiracy theory itself may be incorrect.

In order for something to be called a "theory" it must make testable claims with experiment results that can be reproduced.

So often times calling a conspiracy theory a theory is incorrect but not for the reasons kitty pointed out.
 

devilwacause

Well-Known Member
and also clearly defines the difference between science and every other way of looking at the world.

theory: structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts.
fact: confirmed to such a degree that it would be perverse to withhold provisional consent. facts, in science, do not mean "absolute certainty".

so while kitty is correct - the "facts" contained in conspiracy theories may be "true" but the conspiracy theory itself may be incorrect.

In order for something to be called a "theory" it must make testable claims with experiment results that can be reproduced.

So often times calling a conspiracy theory a theory is incorrect but not for the reasons kitty pointed out.
I agree, (biology/botany major) myself and while there are facts in conspiracy theory, there are facts in every theory. Guess what made me view her response as so "opening" to our topic is because it reminds us that even though we are theorizing we are theorizing based off of factual evidence in most cases. It also helps identify our theories as not entirely "hogwash" they have good basis - its the final conclusion drawn that is the theory.

No matter your conspiracy theory (ufos, NWO, etc) there are reasonings behind each theory that are factual. But it is the conclusion/interpretation of such facts that make conspiracy theories so controversial in the mainstream public.
 

email468

Well-Known Member
I agree, (biology/botany major) myself and while there are facts in conspiracy theory, there are facts in every theory. Guess what made me view her response as so "opening" to our topic is because it reminds us that even though we are theorizing we are theorizing based off of factual evidence in most cases. It also helps identify our theories as not entirely "hogwash" they have good basis - its the final conclusion drawn that is the theory.

No matter your conspiracy theory (ufos, NWO, etc) there are reasonings behind each theory that are factual. But it is the conclusion/interpretation of such facts that make conspiracy theories so controversial in the mainstream public.
you are a botany/biology major?!? the site needs you to do some double-blind experiments in the following:
Nutrient manufacturer claims
Molasses vs. any other carb-heavy bloom nute
LEDs vs. CFLs vs. HIDs
bag seed vs. bought seed
fem seeds higher likelihood of hermies
various material reflectivity
18/6 produces more females than 24/0
soil tastes better/different than hydro

well that's enough to get you started :mrgreen: - what do you think? any good research papers in there?
 

joepro

Well-Known Member
you are a botany/biology major?!? the site needs you to do some double-blind experiments in the following:
Nutrient manufacturer claims
Molasses vs. any other carb-heavy bloom nute
LEDs vs. CFLs vs. HIDs
bag seed vs. bought seed
fem seeds higher likelihood of hermies
various material reflectivity
18/6 produces more females than 24/0
soil tastes better/different than hydro

well that's enough to get you started :mrgreen: - what do you think? any good research papers in there?
hahaha, yeah and make it snappy:mrgreen:
 

crazy-mental

Well-Known Member
Here's the conversation I was having with fish' and the last quote is where you start. You even begin with long time no argue. Just because I don't agree with you and have told you so you couldn't wait to jump on something i said.

Oh, and I've had more rep given to me for my posts in this thread than in any other.

I didn't say I didn't like you, I said that I'm an asshole to YOU (concerning your perception that I am an asshole). I don't think I'm an asshole, but you do because I laugh at you.
have you 2 made friends.
:roll::peace:
 

Erniedytn

Master of Mayhem
you are a botany/biology major?!? the site needs you to do some double-blind experiments in the following:
Nutrient manufacturer claims
Molasses vs. any other carb-heavy bloom nute
LEDs vs. CFLs vs. HIDs
bag seed vs. bought seed
fem seeds higher likelihood of hermies
various material reflectivity
18/6 produces more females than 24/0
soil tastes better/different than hydro

well that's enough to get you started :mrgreen: - what do you think? any good research papers in there?

Can we do that in another thread please
 
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