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GimmieThe Loot

GimmieThe Loot

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TacoMac said:
That's your problem. Not nearly enough light. Viaspectra's are, sorry to say, shit lights. That so-called 450 is actually only a 200 watt light at most and has no real flowering capability.

You need more light, bud.
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i already did two plant 152 grams bro off that light.. And i have 2 lights in a 4x4 space my dwar star cover a 3x3 space itself... So i think its safe to say i have more than enough light for my space
 
GimmieThe Loot

GimmieThe Loot

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TacoMac said:
That's your problem. Not nearly enough light. Viaspectra's are, sorry to say, shit lights. That so-called 450 is actually only a 200 watt light at most and has no real flowering capability. The PSDS isn't much better.

You need more light, bud.
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And ik i can get better lights this aint about lights
 
TacoMac

TacoMac

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GimmieThe Loot said:
i already did two plant 152 grams bro off that light.. And i have 2 lights in a 4x4 space my dwar star cover a 3x3 space itself... So i think its safe to say i have more than enough light for my space
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Think all you want. You're wrong.

152 grams is 5.3 ounces. I get that off of a single plant with ease without even trying. Blurple lights CLAIM to cover that area, and as a veg light they're not bad. They actually can. But for flower power that area gets cut down.

But let's not take my word for it. Let's look at manufacturers data:

The Viaspectra 450 Par:
Veg area: 2.5 x 2.5 feet max at 32" height
Flower area: 2 x 2 feet max at 24" height.

Perfect Sun:
Veg area: 2.75 x 2.75 max at 30" height
Flower area: 2 x 2 max at 22" height
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Neither one of those lights is really capable of getting a single plant to its max potential. You getting only 2 ounces per plant is a clear example of that. To wit:

Your 4 x 4 tent is 16 square feet. Both of your lights combined can only flower 8 square feet...or half the tent. COMBINED.

The real drawback to them is their flowering potential. Autoflowers need a lot of light to really grow properly and from what you've said so far you're not only not leaving the lights on long enough, but neither light really has the flowering ability to give those plants what they really need.

But keep doing what you're doing if you're happy with it.

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Zogs

Zogs

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GimmieThe Loot said:
i already did two plant 152 grams bro off that light.. And i have 2 lights in a 4x4 space my dwar star cover a 3x3 space itself... So i think its safe to say i have more than enough light for my space
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Don't get me wrong, I've grown 4 ounce plants under only a 54w cob. So I understand what you're saying. But with proper lighting these "photo period" plants at their current size are going to be monsters in 2 weeks. 1 plant should honestly take up a whole 3x3 space with your 90 day veg..
 
Zogs

Zogs

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MATTYMATT726 said:
Please dude. You've been here for 6 months, probably JUST started growing. There are mad growers with credit here in the auto section and you are not one of them. Another person already in this thread said his auto took 60ish days to start flowering. Its in a journal here. Not cold temps like mine and when he did flower it wasn't on 12/12. You are a clown dude. Give it up. You probably grow some bunk ass shit with no real potentcy because if the seedbank says 63 days you harvest to the day and get non ready trichs. Grasscity or Icmag is where you belong.
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I've only documented my last 2 grows on RIU, you can freely look at them if you like. They are posted in my sig at the bottom of every post I make. Please feel free to let me know if I harvested one of them too early.
 
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GimmieThe Loot

GimmieThe Loot

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TacoMac said:
Think all you want. You're wrong.

152 grams is 5.3 ounces. I get that off of a single plant with ease without even trying. Blurple lights CLAIM to cover that area, and as a veg light they're not bad. They actually can. But for flower power that area gets cut down.

But let's not take my word for it. Let's look at manufacturers data:

The Viaspectra 450 Par:
Veg area: 2.5 x 2.5 feet max at 32" height
Flower area: 2 x 2 feet max at 24" height.

Perfect Sun:
Veg area: 2.75 x 2.75 max at 30" height
Flower area: 2 x 2 max at 22" height
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Neither one of those lights is really capable of getting a single plant to its max potential. You getting only 2 ounces per plant is a clear example of that. To wit:

Your 4 x 4 tent is 16 square feet. Both of your lights combined can only flower 8 square feet...or half the tent. COMBINED.

The real drawback to them is their flowering potential. Autoflowers need a lot of light to really grow properly and from what you've said so far you're not only not leaving the lights on long enough, but neither light really has the flowering ability to give those plants what they really need.

But keep doing what you're doing if you're happy with it.

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Listen listen i working with wat i got now. Ik my lights are cheap. Im not rich i dont the means to get exspensive lights and what not YET.. I will be going phytomax as soon as i get the chance.. But as of now im working with what i got.. And to be honest any better light wouldve made me run out of space way sooner... So thanks for the insight its much appreciated
 
GimmieThe Loot

GimmieThe Loot

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Zogs said:
Don't get me wrong, I've grown 4 ounce plants under only a 54w cob. So I understand what you're saying. But with proper lighting these "photo period" plants at their current size are going to be monsters in 2 weeks. 1 plant should honestly take up a whole 3x3 space with your 90 day veg..
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i jus might take this grow and invest in better lights... Right now i got wat i got
 
Zogs

Zogs

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GimmieThe Loot said:
Listen listen i working with wat i got now. Ik my lights are cheap. Im not rich i dont the means to get exspensive lights and what not YET.. I will be going phytomax as soon as i get the chance.. But as of now im working with what i got.. And to be honest any better light wouldve made me run out of space way sooner... So thanks for the insight its much appreciated
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We all been there Gimme. Your set up would have been fine with 4 auto's. It's just unfortunate this snowballed so far. If a cheap 400W hps is an option I think it would more than pay for itself off this grow. I think I've seen some amazon crap specials for about 150$
 
Zogs

Zogs

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Your best bet right now is to really focus on the top 12" of your plant. Try to even out your canopy and get rid of all the junk @ the bottom of your plant that wont get any light. You still have time to do it. Put every bit of your 400w to work.
 
Frank Nitty

Frank Nitty

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TacoMac said:
Never, ever run an auto on a 12/12 schedule.

The reason they're called auto flower is because they are going to flower no matter what lighting schedule you run. So, that being the case, you want them on a long lighting schedule.

Most people I know run autos 24 hours per day non-stop. Some will run them 20 hours on, 4 hours off. You want as much growth as absolutely possible before it starts flowering.

You run regular fems on an 18/6 schedule for veg and then flip to 12/12 for flower. You do NOT do that with auto flower plants. Ever.
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Truth...
 
Frank Nitty

Frank Nitty

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MATTYMATT726 said:
Also that plant is small no matter if it finishes in 70 days or not. It is a 70-80% indica. GG4 x 24 Carrot which is 100% indica. 2-3 oz yeild. My plant grew as big as genetically it was going to it just took longer. His plants are his choice but you are arguing its not possible to be an auto and it very much is. Nov 1st to end of April on the pic i shown and mid May on the other 2. Is what it is. He has 3 choices. Leave and see what they do in next 10-14 days(if no flower still than top it. Bam no 8 foot plants and go to 12/12), go to 12/12 now and risk it is an auto that got delayed and less light doesn't help it in any way or 3 he could up flower nites and if they don't flower next few days go to 12/12. In the end its his plant and i don't really care what he does as long as it works for him but to say definitively it can't be an auto when i can show the start dates pics on RIU and finish as well spanning 6 months is boneheaded. But i don't really have much else to add.
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Dont sweat it bro... We're here to help,not argue on someone else's thread... Cut this unnecessary bs out!!! Gimmie The Loot,im here for you brother!!! No a pro,but i know a little something... You do what you want to do with YOUR PLANTS!!!
 
TacoMac

TacoMac

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Zogs said:
If a cheap 400W hps is an option I think it would more than pay for itself off this grow. I think I've seen some amazon crap specials for about 150$
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Ummmm...no.

How about a very high quality digital ballast dimmable MH/HPS setup from Yield Labs?

For $189.95, you can get this one in a vented hood ready to rock and roll: https://growace.com/yield-lab-600w-hps-mh-cool-tube-wing-reflector-grow-light-kit.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI0O3Y3qXk4gIVxIKzCh1-oQmWEAQYASABEgL0dfD_BwE

It's more than enough for your tent.

It's the same exact one I've been using for the last 6 years. Actually though, I don't use the vent ready hood. I don't grow in a tent so I use the open hood reflector version of that same light. It runs $139.95. Same ballast, same bulbs, same everything but it's an open hood so you'd have a lot of heat to deal with in the tent.

I paid 200 for it years ago but the influx of cheap (and essentially worthless) LED's have driven the price down.
 
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