Confined Space 850W LED Master Kush Grow

The buds from my grow are actually more dense than my friends grown under 1000HPS (same clones). I can without a doubt assure you that these lights produce rock hard buds!

carl.burnette said:

Just a question...

When I grew a couple plants under t-8 & t-12 Flouro tubes the buds looked great, tasted great but the yield was the shits. After curring I bet I lost 90% of the weight. Still good buds, tastey & potent. But as they cured up they lost almost all of their weight. Went all airy on me.

How was your buds after curing? Do the LED's have the same issues with airy buds? I know they would be dense after chop & start of drying.

My HPS grow the nugs are hard as rocks even almost 2 months into curing in the bottles.

Please let us know how the buds are at the 2 month mark if you could.

Thanks

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When I grew with Procyons before. The buds were hard as rocks at the top. Biggest issue was penetration and to get coverage I hung the lights a bit too high so they didn't penetrate and produce density further down the plant. I think the biggest issue with even the good LED companies is that they overstate their potential so people try to do too much with them. You can't take a 250W led (especially if its 1W LED's) and hang it 2 ft above the canopy and try to cover a 4 ft by 4 ft area replace a 1000W hid. They're good but they don't have super-powers

I think that LedBudGuy really had it dialed with each 170W panel over 4 smaller plants and utilized lots of cross-lighting. Not surprised that he got dense buds. nice work

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SWUSAZ said:

Just wish you folks comparing understood that the solid sheet of aluminum used on the Black Star is all that is required with the New CREE Chips there is sufficient area to rapidly cool the panels diode sets. Heck if we are worried about cooling let water jacket the panel of submerge the entire board in Coolinal, then thermo set a bunch of excess (weight) heat sink fins to the plate and mount some noise makers that go round and round on the things.LOL

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Okay I'll bite!

If the new CREE XP-E series (I'm assuming these are the one's you are talking about) are available at bulk wholesale price for $3.44 each for the cheapest 3W Red and $2.43 for the cheapest Blue (and that's in a 2W cause I can't find a 3W Blue in their new series and that's from the CREE PDF current as of Jan 5th, 2011) then how does Blackstar make an all 3W CREE panel with 80 led's for $250? Even assume 3 reds per 2 blue which would be the lowest ratio of reds to blue I've seen in a horticultural light. That would still leave an average price of $3.03 per LED. So JUST THE COST OF THE CREE LED'S ALONE WOULD BE $242.40 and you haven't bought power supply's, the case, power cord, the piece of aluminum or fans or MADE A PROFIT on the above.

Stealty Grow actually use CREE. Their 600W Panel is $1600. Using their price proportions at 240W they would be $640 and they use 2W and 3W chips which would be cheaper than all 3W chips Blackstars claims to use. Blackstar sells a panel for 60% less and it contains more expensive LED's? BTW Stealthgrow use heatsinks and "noise makers" to cool their CREE LED's

How does Blackstar do it? How do they produce and sell and all 3W CREE panel for less than anyone else could even buy the LED's or for including undercutting one of the largest horticultural LED companies in the business by more than 60%?

Im convinced...LED + CFL = Major bud....

where do I buy some? i looked online but uhh didnt have luck...anyone got a good online shop?

Blackstar has a very nice new 2011 model on ebay for some good prices

I would think about something else first before led and cfl, go for LED and small HID if you can have a bit of heat, 150W HPS = 70 bucks on amazon + 20 shipping. Shit even a 250W HPS or MH with a 240 Watt LED will smash with the angry fist of god. Probably the best 500W you can spend. That kill a 600W HID bud for yield with, maybe even comparable to 750W of HID, if any, an improvement in quality (LED = UV, HPS = Not so much). I am finding some amazing shit out with HID/LED mix for the later end of flowering here, and I am completely sold. If the electricity or heat is an issue, then yea, for LED/CFL. If not, then I would totally jump on a smaller HID to mix with it.

stoneyluv said:

Blackstar has a very nice new 2011 model on ebay for some good prices

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Yeah its cheap alright... didn't you see that a couple of guys following this thread already took one of these blackstars apart. There are plenty of reputable manufacturers out there, do some research and you will find one that will sell you a light that you will be happy with.

Hudsonvalley82 said:

I would think about something else first before led and cfl, go for LED and small HID if you can have a bit of heat, 150W HPS = 70 bucks on amazon + 20 shipping. Shit even a 250W HPS or MH with a 240 Watt LED will smash with the angry fist of god. Probably the best 500W you can spend. That kill a 600W HID bud for yield with, maybe even comparable to 750W of HID, if any, an improvement in quality (LED = UV, HPS = Not so much). I am finding some amazing shit out with HID/LED mix for the later end of flowering here, and I am completely sold. If the electricity or heat is an issue, then yea, for LED/CFL. If not, then I would totally jump on a smaller HID to mix with it.

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Hey hudson, are you currently growing with LED / HID combo?

Yea, outside temp with just the LED topped out at 68, to I needed to add heat or have no pot. I sure as hell am not going to spend 1500W on a space heater, so I tossed the HID's back up with the 500W. Copped another 240W for seedlings until one of the two rooms open up (should be around the 27th when I harvest one of the rooms) Kinda over booked myself plantwise, but that is a problem I enjoy having.

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Yea, outside temp with just the LED topped out at 68, to I needed to add heat or have no pot. I sure as hell am not going to spend 1500W on a space heater, so I tossed the HID's back up with the 500W. Copped another 240W for seedlings until one of the two rooms open up (should be around the 27th when I harvest one of the rooms) Kinda over booked myself plantwise, but that is a problem I enjoy having.

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Is there such a thing as too much pot?

I was helping a buddy build a room just before christmas and we shelved a section of his room and ran a two storey program for veg which is easy to do with LED grow panels. Great use of space and keeps the veg chamber nice and warm. He was having temp issues (like under 70F without a heater) but with the double stack top was 87F and bottom was 78F (concrete floor) so added a small recirc fan and both chambers are sitting at 83F. He still has room to veg to almost 18". Also way more room in veg now as the grow is taking up half the floor space it was.

80mg said:

Im convinced...LED + CFL = Major bud....

where do I buy some? i looked online but uhh didnt have luck...anyone got a good online shop?

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I used an ISIS 170 for veg and LedBudGuy just ran this whole thread using those same panels and pulled .9g per watt on small plants so I'd have to say they seem to do the trick

Not sure where he got his from but I ordered mine online www.ledgrowlightsdirect.com showed up in about a week.

If $400 is a bit pricey then I think Blackstar is $250. Haven't seen anyone use Blackstar exclusively for a grow and if you do some research you'll get lovers and haters so YMMV

https://www.rollitup.org/members/kush-groove-286197.html

Came across this gent with some blackstar success

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Here's a link to my current LED grow, this thread has become kind of confusing with all of the hijakers and salesmen in here...

https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/399795-confined-space-1020w-led-24-a.html

I'm in day 12 of veg right now. Here are some pics from day 11 & 12

Here's a link to my new grow, disregard the moron thread hijacker...

https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/399795-confined-space-1020w-led-24-a.html

Thanks, I'll also be subbing to your current grow. Saving this one to read at a later time.

Is the previous journal non existent now? The link seems to be broken

he has his own forum now..... http://ledbudguy.com

per MSHA/OSHA you need a confined space cert lisence lol just JKing