Compare Ambien to LSD and Mushrooms and Cough Syrup
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thehairyllama
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Yeah can most deffienatly trip on ambien. Its like your living in a dream. I used to take like 4-6 of those and trip balls.
Kushalicious
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I can vouch for that.. I've done it many times, its not really an overall enjoyable experience.. more of just weird.
Did a lot of experimenting with it with lots of witnesses to tell me what went on. Used to get plastered while playing counterstrike on ventrilo with friends.. they'd fill me in the next day..
1 pill and staying up is usually fairly effective, 2 pills can be devastating if taken with alcohol, and I would not recommend 3 (its a very powerful effect after a few hours, I can see it being very dangerous with more then 3). Around 1-2 hours you'll start to feel it. Call it a slight calming feeling at this point. By two hours your a little disoriented, possibly sleepy. By 4 your usually all kinds of messed up.
It lessens by about 8-9 hours (makes sense) but the full effects don't seem to go away till after you've slept.
Two warnings if you are going to do it, DO NOT DRIVE. I don't know why, but for some reason this is a VERY common thing among people sleep walking with ambien. This also applies to people using it for recreation.. not sure why its a common urge, but I've done it myself. Also get faux-munchies I'll call it.. its not the same as weed, you're not actually hungry, but you feel the need to eat a bunch.
Second, if you do use it for fun.. do it very sparingly, despite what the commercial says it is highly addictive when taken in large doses.. you'll find yourself unable to sleep later on. Think physical withdrawal.. don't take that much.
edit- Add a personal warning/story in here.. got really plastered on beer and ambien one time.. 2-3 pills i think.. ever heard of beer goggles? Ambien goggles are made of lead... completely opaque.
I remember talking to the chick.. I remember laying on couch with her, but I dont remember anything else.. at all. I answered one call from her the next day, only to find out the horror that had been commited.. had to just stop answering her phone calls..
DubRules
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Nothing in this post is true.
All of it is half-ass information that he got from spending 10 minutes on Erowid.
DMT is not responsible for dreams. If he had ever done DMT, He would know it.
Ambien makes you trip from immediate sleep deprivation. Nothing else.
Ergot cannot change to LSD. It is a precursor for LSD synthesis, but will not metabolize to LSD in the body.
Ergot poisoning causes gangrene and literally eats the body from inside out. Hallucinations are merely a minor side effect.
DXM is nothing at all like peyote.
Peyote is a psychedelic while DXM is a dissociative with no psychedelic properties at all.
GET YOUR SHIT STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU MISINFORM EVERYONE!!!
Kushalicious
Member
Yea umm... the ambien part it sounds like you just made it up as you were typing.
Ambien actually binds to a neuron receptor called the GABA receptor and inhibits the neuronal firing.. causing sedation. Basically it makes it easier for the mind to pass between completely awake mode and slow wave sleep (REM).
Thats great though.. the whole DMT thing.. sounds cool.
Dimethyltryptamine (DMT) is a naturally-occurring tryptamine and potent pschycdelic drug, found not only in many plants, but also in trace amounts in the human body where its natural function is undetermined.
shepj
Oracle of Hallucinogens
Let's break this down..
"Nothing in this post is true.
All of it is half-ass information that he got from spending 10 minutes on Erowid."
Btw, I hope you did your homework before saying that to someone else
"DMT is not responsible for dreams. If he had ever done DMT, He would know it."
As you guys know DMT is produced from the Pinial Gland in the brain, which is also where Melatonin (N-acetyl-5-methoxytryptamine) is produced. First and foremost it has not been proven either way if DMT is the cause of dreams or not.. but as far as we know, it seems the more plausible idea. Two tryptamines from the same gland in your brain and you're not expecting any noticeable effects? Dreaming definitely sounds plausible from all I know about the body, drugs, and chemistry.
"Ergot cannot change to LSD. It is a precursor for LSD synthesis, but will not metabolize to LSD in the body."
True
"Ergot poisoning causes gangrene and literally eats the body from inside out. Hallucinations are merely a minor side effect."
Also true, it's called Ergotism. The hallucinations are from the ergot alkaloids.
"DXM is nothing at all like peyote.
Peyote is a psychedelic while DXM is a dissociative with no psychedelic properties at all."
Never had mescaline, so I can not compare. But on the higher plateaus, DXM can be rather psychedelic! Ranging from trails to CEV's, on really high dosages it's pretty easy to get OEV's... appearance of things breathing and some auditory distortions can be noticed as well. You gotta remember, DXM hits similar receptors as PCP does (google NMDA/PCP receptor or something of that nature).
Good post all in all bro
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4led2head0
Active Member
dude ur not reading this right.
First off, dreaming is caused by DMT, its not released in large doses like you prolly had, and ur right ive never had DMT; Its released in amounts comparable the average dose of LSD, a couple Milligrams or even less.
"Dimethyltryptamine (DMT) is a naturally occuring tryptamine and potent psychadelic, found not only in many plants, but also in trace amounts in the human body."
And i never said Ergot can just change
into LSD, it has to undergo a number of chemical processes.
­"The ergot alkaloid is synthesized into a lysergic acid compound called iso-lysergic acid hydrazide, through the addition of chemicals and heating processes. Then the iso-lysergic acid hydrazide is isomerized, which means that the atoms in its molecules are rearranged through a chemical process. It's cooled, mixed with an acid and a base, and evaporated. What remains is iso-lysergic diethylamide, which is isomerized again to produce active LSD. The LSD is then purified and crystallized"
--http://health.howstuffworks.com/lsd2.htm
i suggest you read better next time.
oh..GET YOUR SHIT STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU MISINFORM EVERYONE!!!
ANC
Well-Known Member
Whoa people, more love, less fighting.
I agree with the poster that does not believe DMT is responsible for dreaming at all.
Its WAY diffirent from dreaming, dreams are like dreams, a proper breakthorugh on DMT is more real than the world you are sitting in now.
Our brain chemistry is still rather oapague to the scientist out there, oh they like to posture and pretend to know stuff (just like doctors did 100 years, 200 years and 1000 years ago)
We have interesting substances in our brains like harmaline is almost structurally identical to pinolene.
Take some harmaline on its own and see what i'm talking about.
Either way the matter is still to be proven beyond a doubt, regardless of which way the actual truth falls... we just don't KNOW yet. So there is little point in fighting over things like this.
P.S. I get a little pain when people refer to peyote as a drug.. its just a cactus, the drug it contains is mescaline (and some other nasties too, I've posted a long post in this regard before)
Many other cacti including ornamental ones you get from the nursery are active. And its sure as hell a lot more economical to do extractions from fast growers like Trichocereus macrogonus or bridgesii.
I agree with the poster that does not believe DMT is responsible for dreaming at all.
Its WAY diffirent from dreaming, dreams are like dreams, a proper breakthorugh on DMT is more real than the world you are sitting in now.
Our brain chemistry is still rather oapague to the scientist out there, oh they like to posture and pretend to know stuff (just like doctors did 100 years, 200 years and 1000 years ago)
We have interesting substances in our brains like harmaline is almost structurally identical to pinolene.
Take some harmaline on its own and see what i'm talking about.
Either way the matter is still to be proven beyond a doubt, regardless of which way the actual truth falls... we just don't KNOW yet. So there is little point in fighting over things like this.
P.S. I get a little pain when people refer to peyote as a drug.. its just a cactus, the drug it contains is mescaline (and some other nasties too, I've posted a long post in this regard before)
Many other cacti including ornamental ones you get from the nursery are active. And its sure as hell a lot more economical to do extractions from fast growers like Trichocereus macrogonus or bridgesii.
4led2head0
Active Member
P.S. I get a little pain when people refer to peyote as a drug.. its just a cactus, the drug it contains is mescaline (and some other nasties too, I've posted a long post in this regard before)
Many other cacti including ornamental ones you get from the nursery are active. And its sure as hell a lot more economical to do extractions from fast growers like Trichocereus macrogonus or bridgesii.[/QUOTE]
so ur saying that mushrooms, pot morning glory, and anyother plant that contains alkaloids, or tryptamines, or whatever are NOT considered drugs in ur mind?
Many other cacti including ornamental ones you get from the nursery are active. And its sure as hell a lot more economical to do extractions from fast growers like Trichocereus macrogonus or bridgesii.[/QUOTE]
so ur saying that mushrooms, pot morning glory, and anyother plant that contains alkaloids, or tryptamines, or whatever are NOT considered drugs in ur mind?
ANC
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Erm no, you seem to misunderstand what I was trying to say...
Peyote cacti contains mescaline ( I do get your point with the mushroom thing, but then again, your not going to find the active ingredients in anything else).
Because of the wrong terminology people are always trying to get peyote for trips, instead off all the other wonderfull more practical cacti the same substance can be obtained from.
So technicaly the equivalent word for mushrooms would be cacti, not just one specific cactus.
Erm, about the drugs thing, I certainly have reason to believe we are not the only sentient things in this universe... Our modern western way of indoctrination makes it hard for some to think of plants etc as being inteligent, or even more whacky for some, talking plants..
Yet looking at say a common medicine like ayauscha, there is a 1 to 6 billion chance of combining the correct two plants in the amazon to create this brew... guess where the makers of this brew claim to have gotten their information from? Plants told them.
Peyote cacti contains mescaline ( I do get your point with the mushroom thing, but then again, your not going to find the active ingredients in anything else).
Because of the wrong terminology people are always trying to get peyote for trips, instead off all the other wonderfull more practical cacti the same substance can be obtained from.
So technicaly the equivalent word for mushrooms would be cacti, not just one specific cactus.
Erm, about the drugs thing, I certainly have reason to believe we are not the only sentient things in this universe... Our modern western way of indoctrination makes it hard for some to think of plants etc as being inteligent, or even more whacky for some, talking plants..
Yet looking at say a common medicine like ayauscha, there is a 1 to 6 billion chance of combining the correct two plants in the amazon to create this brew... guess where the makers of this brew claim to have gotten their information from? Plants told them.
Oh man Ambien is some crazy shit. Here is an honestly true story from when I was like 16. It started at my buddies house, I had been smokin, drinkin, and decided to pop three ambien. I was with two buddies at the time and one of them popped three ambien as well, this was his first time. Then we decided to go drive around, I was driving, and that's all I remembered. The next day, I wake up in bed and immediately try to remember what the fuck happened the night before. I call my buddy that didn't take ambien to get the story. Shortly after we started driving around, my buddy that ate three ambien for his first time starts puking all over himself and my car in the back seat. But that didn't slow us down we continued the drive around town, I'm still driving at this point and am totally out of it. I guess I was doin' about 40 down the road heading straight for the rear end of a car parked on the side of the road. My more sober buddy grabbed the wheel at the last second to swerve the car over the curb through some yards and back onto the main street. At that point he decided to drive. We wind up back at my sober buddies house and he goes to bed. Well me and my puke buddy weren't ready to retire and decided to blast my two twelve inch alpines in my buds driveway at 2 am. The sober friend didn't appreciate the music and made us leave. Apparently, I drove my puke buddy 25 miles to his home with him holding the wheel helping me. To celebrate our safe arrival at puke boys house we decided to beat the crap out of each other in his front yard, just for fun. Then somehow I made the 30 mile drive back to my house and went to bed. I thought my sober friend was bullshiting me about the whole story. He wasn't, I had puke all over my back seat, two black eyes, was sore as hell, and I even found the tire tracks through the front yards.
Moral of the story, Ambien is some crazy shit and you should be very careful with it.
Moral of the story, Ambien is some crazy shit and you should be very careful with it.