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really good kinda lacked smell and flavour tasted more like hash but then again i didnt cure it very long smoked it up pretty quick

really good lacked smell and flavor kinda tasted like hash but then again i didnt cure it real long smoked it up pretty quick

sorry about the double post the first didnt show up untill i posted the second

Hi everyone. I'm on my first real grow. I'm 6 weeks along, growing 7 plants in 5 gallon planters, and I just started to flush them one at a time because the nute burns have returned. I didn't over feed, I just mixed the dirt a little too hot.

This is my NY Diesel, she's one of the smallest at 14" (had a few problems which slowed growth of folliage). I'll be flushing one of my Blueberries tonight which is actually one of the biggest. There was some confusion when I bought the Blueberry clone, and she's growing much differently than the other Blueberry, so there's a chance she's really a Mendocino County Purp, and after reading up on that strain, I kinda hope she is. lol

Anyway, as you can see in the pics, I'm about to outgrow the 5 gallon containers. Her leaves are curling downward for some unknown reason (the healthy green leaves) so if she's not root bound yet, she's getting real close to it, I think that's the reason for the healthy leaves curling downwards.

Since this is my first grow I'm real short on cash, and the clones aren't ready yet. (having a little trouble with cloning actually). But I was wondering if someone could explain those bag containers to me, give me a ball park cost on them, and tell me where I can find some.

Thanks. +rep for help as always.

bags ? grow bags you can get them at any hydro store i have 2 gallon bags cost about .35 cents a piece and 3 gallon were i think 50 to 60 cents cheap i think leaves curling dwn means over feeding/over watering or it might be the opposite i keep getting them confused if you look at the top of the general mj forum there is a sticky plant problems and cures im pretty sure it tells you in there nice lookin plants anyway

They are looking over watered

and you can use trash bags just gotta figure out a way to support em (so they don't fall over) also put like 3 or 4 of em inside each other for strength

DannyGreenEyes said:

I just started to flush them one at a time because the nute burns have returned. I didn't over feed, I just mixed the dirt a little too hot.

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I do see the burn you are referring to. Have you added any nutes at all at this point or just whats in the soil? What was the original mix?

Anyway, as you can see in the pics, I'm about to outgrow the 5 gallon containers. Her leaves are curling downward for some unknown reason (the healthy green leaves) so if she's not root bound yet, she's getting real close to it, I think that's the reason for the healthy leaves curling downwards.
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The claw downwards looks like a bit too much water. What is your watering schedule? The "lift the pot" technique is best to know when to water. A lot of ppl let their soil get too dry between watering causing dead pockets that never really get wet, I think you've gone the other way and been a little too generous with the H2O. Over-watering is really not an accurate term, you are watering to the point of exclusion of 02 in the medium. Generally caused by a lack of drainage.

You are not potbound. Ive got plants 3 times that size in 16 oz solo cups. A couple roots sticking out the side is no big deal . The air will prune em off and they will branch inside. Lookup "smart pots" on google, same thing. 5 gallon is plenty big to run till the end.

does anybody know how to put the link to my grow journal in my signature

growman09 said:

bags ? grow bags you can get them at any hydro store i have 2 gallon bags cost about .35 cents a piece and 3 gallon were i think 50 to 60 cents cheap i think leaves curling dwn means over feeding/over watering or it might be the opposite i keep getting them confused if you look at the top of the general mj forum there is a sticky plant problems and cures im pretty sure it tells you in there nice lookin plants anyway

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Thanks for the help +rep

Do you know if they make 10 gallon bags? And are there any downsides to using them, like no drainage or anything?

It's not overwatering, if anything I've been underwatering.

It's not from the nute burns I've been told because it's not happening to the leaves with nute burns, just the healthy ones.

I've been though all the self help threads and the only cause I've seen that causes it is the plant being root bound. I didn't think it was possible till I did the flush, it washed away the newspaper, and I saw the roots. (I put newspaper over the holes when making the pots because I didn't want to get dirt all over when carrying them throughthe house)

In any case, I'm still 2 weeks from putting them in flower, so if they're not root bound yet, they will be before I harvest. Might as well transfer them now and see if the leaf curling clears up.

riddleme said:

They are looking over watered

and you can use trash bags just gotta figure out a way to support em (so they don't fall over) also put like 3 or 4 of em inside each other for strength

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Thanks for the help. +rep

It's not overwatering, I can guarantee it. I've been waiting till I see the leaves droop for a day or so before watering again.

For support, so you think that cutting some 2 x 4s and putting them in a circle, picket fence style, and tying them with rope might work?

And how would it drain, do I have to poke some holes in the bottom or something?

im not sure about the 10 gallon but i saw 5 gallon ones and that should be plent a only used a 3 gallon and my plants topped at about 38- 39 inches no down fall as far as i can see they actually r better to me because they are cheaper and it makes it easier to keep roots cool i luv them lol

Hey Danny

took a closer look and saw in pic 2 that there was leaf edges curling up, so you are right they are under watered

difference between over & under leaves droop and serated edges curl under when over watered (the edge curl is a signal that the plant is trying to stop transpiring)

with under watered, the leaf stems droop as well and the edge curling up means the plant is transpiring to much, it's kinda like us sweating and can also be caused by heat stress (temps too high, lights to close )

water with 6.5, 6.6 ph'd water, (no nutes) till you have run off and wait & watch em

hope that helps

PS gotta say I agree they are not to big for 5 gallon pots

Well as for trash bags, yeah ya gotta put holes in the bottom for drainage and support will only be a problem if the plant gets tall

but I think your ok in the 5 gallon pots as I already said

doogleef said:

I do see the burn you are referring to. Have you added any nutes at all at this point or just whats in the soil? What was the original mix?


The claw downwards looks like a bit too much water. What is your watering schedule? The "lift the pot" technique is best to know when to water. A lot of ppl let their soil get too dry between watering causing dead pockets that never really get wet, I think you've gone the other way and been a little too generous with the H2O. Over-watering is really not an accurate term, you are watering to the point of exclusion of 02 in the medium. Generally caused by a lack of drainage.

You are not potbound. Ive got plants 3 times that size in 16 oz solo cups. A couple roots sticking out the side is no big deal . The air will prune em off and they will branch inside. Lookup "smart pots" on google, same thing. 5 gallon is plenty big to run till the end.

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Thanks for the help. +rep

When I mixed the pots I took some bad advice and mixed 2 tablespoons of both bone & blood meal with FFOF. I had ocassional nute burns for the first 3 weeks, and then they went away. On the 4th week I fed for the first and only time with 1/3 teaspoon of Tiger Bloom per gallon and fed 5 cups to each plant. I also treated them with a micro organism to help with root growth & development. The nute burns didn't start again for another 2 weeks so I don't think it was the Tiger Bloom, my guess is the roots got big enough after 2 weeks to start absorbing too much from sections of the dirt the roots just grew into. Sections of dirt that still had the original strengh from when I mixed it. The micro organisms also help roots absorb more of everything faster.

I started watering with one cup of water each when they were babies and it's grown to 6 cups of water each. I wait till I see the leaves droop for a day or so, then I water. So I'm pretty sure it's not overwatering. Before I treated the roots they were asking for water about every 5 days. After the treatment they started asking for water about every 3 days.

I've had nute burn, bug infestations, low pH, and pH fluctuations limit the folliage growth, so the folliage still hasn't caught up with the roots (I don't think). If the roots are at the bottom of the walls of the pot, then they're at the bottom of the middle of the pot too. So if they're not root bound yet, they will be very soon I think.

Those micro organisms I used are no joke. I used some on some new clones that had 1" roots and 4 days later when I transplanted them the roots were close to 4". It's very possible that they're root bound already, especially the bigger 17" plants like the one I'll be flushing tonight.

And dude, nothing for nothing, but if you have a 14" plant that bushy in a 16oz cup, I'd love to see it. lol

growman09 said:

im not sure about the 10 gallon but i saw 5 gallon ones and that should be plent a only used a 3 gallon and my plants topped at about 38- 39 inches no down fall as far as i can see they actually r better to me because they are cheaper and it makes it easier to keep roots cool i luv them lol

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Thanks man, I'll have to call around tommorow and see what's available.

I have them in 5 gallon pots now, and you see where the root are already. And they're only 6 weeks along, I still have 10 weeks to go. I'm gonna need something bigger.

riddleme said:

Hey Danny

took a closer look and saw in pic 2 that there was leaf edges curling up, so you are right they are under watered

difference between over & under leaves droop and serated edges curl under when over watered (the edge curl is a signal that the plant is trying to stop transpiring)

with under watered, the leaf stems droop as well and the edge curling up means the plant is transpiring to much, it's kinda like us sweating and can also be caused by heat stress (temps too high, lights to close )

water with 6.5, 6.6 ph'd water, (no nutes) till you have run off and wait & watch em

hope that helps

PS gotta say I agree they are not to big for 5 gallon pots

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It's probably underwatering. I keep the temp at the top of the pots at 80 degrees and I had two 400w HIDs hung about 14" above the tops of the plants.

But I just had to drop the temp considerably, down to about 68. I have lady bugs in there to make sure the bug infestations are over and I have to keep them on the plants for another week or so just in case. But those picky little fuckers don't seem to like it at 80 degrees so I have to keep it low enough for them to be half way into their cold/sleep stage to keep them on the plants. To do this I turned one light off and raised the other to 28" above the plant tops. They've been like that for about 5 days already.

Also, the color hasn't washed out of the leaves, so I don't think it's too much light.

I pH my water to 6.3 - 6.5. It's impossible to get it more exact than that with the aquarium pH test kit that I'm forced to use at the moment. But after seeing how much the NY Diesel liked last nights 15 gallon flush, I'm gonna start watering with more water when I water.

And try not to look at the folliage, look at where the roots are. Those micro organisms kicked the roots growth into overdrive but the folliage has been limited in it's growth by many things. Usually roots grow out to the walls of the pots last, which means the roots are already at the bottom of the center of the pot, right? So in the next 10 weeks, especially if I keep treating roots with those micro organisms, there's no way they're not going to be root bound.

Also, the roots have been growing so fast it's probably taken some energy away from folliage growth which is a limiting factor that I didn't even think about till now.

And if you look you'll notice that the bigger leaves that would normally hang over the edges of the pot are the ones that are curling downwards. The new leaves that are smaller are the ones that are bending up at the edges. No one leaf is doing both at the same time. So I'm thinking those are 2 different problems. Running out of space for roots for the leaves curling downwards & underwatering for the leaves with edges curling up.

I'll take a few snaps of my mother plants in little pots. In all honesty, I've never seen a rootbound pot plant. I've seen lots of em that needed watered every day cause they would not hold much water due to so many roots in the pot but no ill effects. It's way over-rated as a cause of any issues. Water as often as required and you are good to go. FDD2BLK has a great thread on the rootbound myth. He grows trees outside in 3-4gallon pots.

Foliage is the most important part of your plant. Big colas come from lots of healthy green leaves. If you have been letting the pots get too dry that will cause the salt concentration to be too high causing the burn u see. Less water = high % of salts = burn ... see? Don't go to bloom until you have good lush growth or your yield will suffer.

With bone and blood in high levels in FFOF i would not feed them anything until they begin to yellow. Good luck!

doogleef said:

I'll take a few snaps of my mother plants in little pots. In all honesty, I've never seen a rootbound pot plant. I've seen lots of em that needed watered every day cause they would not hold much water due to so many roots in the pot but no ill effects. It's way over-rated as a cause of any issues. Water as often as required and you are good to go. FDD2BLK has a great thread on the rootbound myth. He grows trees outside in 3-4gallon pots.

Foliage is the most important part of your plant. Big colas come from lots of healthy green leaves. If you have been letting the pots get too dry that will cause the salt concentration to be too high causing the burn u see. Less water = high % of salts = burn ... see? Don't go to bloom until you have good lush growth or your yield will suffer.

With bone and blood in high levels in FFOF i would not feed them anything until they begin to yellow. Good luck!

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Thanks man, but it would make sense to me that the bigger the roots the bigger the plant. And if the roots are out of room to grow, then I'm gonna give them more room. If the other plants don't hae roots at the drain holes, then I'll wait, but I have a feeling most of them will.

I do need to water more, and I'm working on learning what's not enough and what's just enough. I don't want to overwater because it causes root rot. I figure if I'm not gonna get it right, then I should underwater.

The nute burns started from day 1, it was the hot dirt more than underwatering I'm sure. But hopefully these flushes will fix that.

The only reason I added the bloom is because it had most of the minor nutes, and I had never added any. Plus I wanted to add some K for the same reason.

Yeah, I think I'm gonna wait for them to ask for fertilizer before I feed them anything. Thanks.

And I have a new question guys. I just flushed my Blueberry. After she drains some and I check for roots I'll post some pics.

But this question is kind of off topic. I FIMmed all my plants 2 to 3 weeks ago and I'm having trouble telling which ones were seccessful and which ones weren't. I'm also having trouble telling the new main stems from branches. (since the plants were already mature, the new main stems wouldn't be where it says on the chart that used a drawing of a plant that's not mature to show where they should be).

In the picture you can see a small branch with a grow tip coming off of another branch. Would this be a sign that the bigger branch is really a new main stem? (branch coming from branch coming from main stem)

I also noticed a branch that didn't have a fan leaf below it. Would that be a sign that it's really a new main stem?

Hope that made sense.

+rep for help as always.

OK, this is the bigger of the 2 Blueberries that might actually be a Mendocino County Purp.

She's about 16" & not quiet as full inside the plant, if you know what I mean.

There's only roots at 3 of the drain holes, and they're not as pronounced or as developed as the NY Diesel, so she's not as close to being root bound. But at 6 weeks, with 10 weeks left, this one is gonna need a bigger planter too.

I know some will argue, but after I harvest and I can clean the dirt away from the roots, you'll see what I mean I'm sure.

The branches are also thick, but it's not branching as much as the Diesel. I think the FIM worked, but not as good as it did on the Diesel.

The burns weren't as bad, all I had to do is to clip a bunch of tips and I had to fan a few of the leaves. I didn't have to remove any full leaves though.

She's been through the same things as the Diesel and has had the same problems.