Cob/plant distance/Luxmeter/4 COB'S per plant @35Watt each, 140W total....

InTheValley said:

wont happen bro, not on 140 watts. Science says light diminishes by the inch. You might get 40,000 lux on the tops, and for each inch down, you will lose major lumens. take you meter and see what you get 12 inches from a fixed distance, imagining your tops height, and take note the further you get away from that height.

Take my word for it man, youll be mad and upset when it doesnt turn out the way you think it will, or hope it will.

If you scrog, EVERY top created, will get nearly the same amount of light, needing very little penetration. These cobs are great, but thinking your going to get even a 3 foot tall plant to produce, is VERY high hoping.

Top when they get the 3rd node, let grow out, top again, and again and again, scrogging in the process.

Do that for a month, then flip. but im tellin ya bro, 140 watts, youll be lucky to get them even 24 inches tall, and be a good producer in the process.

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InTheValley said:

wont happen bro, not on 140 watts. Science says light diminishes by the inch. You might get 40,000 lux on the tops, and for each inch down, you will lose major lumens. take you meter and see what you get 12 inches from a fixed distance, imagining your tops height, and take note the further you get away from that height.

Take my word for it man, youll be mad and upset when it doesnt turn out the way you think it will, or hope it will.

If you scrog, EVERY top created, will get nearly the same amount of light, needing very little penetration. These cobs are great, but thinking your going to get even a 3 foot tall plant to produce, is VERY high hoping.

Top when they get the 3rd node, let grow out, top again, and again and again, scrogging in the process.

Do that for a month, then flip. but im tellin ya bro, 140 watts, youll be lucky to get them even 24 inches tall, and be a good producer in the process.

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InTheValley said:

Salah, Forget about ceiling height. Thats where the heat is. Your in a 2x2. If you want a great, healthy scrog, use a 5 gallon fab pot for just 1 plant.. This is your first grow, correct? Get a 5 gallon Fab pot, but I would personally get a 5 gallon AIR pot, that is plastic, with the holes in it. Ill find a link for you. I dislike fab pots because if you have even a small humidity issue, it will grow mold on it, especially on the bottom, where you cant see. Because it needs to be elevated off the ground so air can circulate, but even then, mold WILL grow under it, if Air isnt fanned DIRECTLY under it.

Or you can pretreat will some neem oil, that is my next idea, because I realllly like the Fab pots, but I cant risk the mold issue Ive had in the past. Take it from someone that threw away 90grams of fire bud because of it.TRUST ME BROTHER.

5 gallon pot, top above the 3rd node. Let those grow out for a week, Top those, Let me grow out, Top again. By the time you top for 3-4 waves, you will probably not have any more room to do it again. you HAVE to keep in mind, Air circulation, thats VERY VERY important. You dont want colas leaning on the walls because again, Mold will grow on them..

Just sayin man, I have my shit down with this, I know the pitfalls, been there, done that. I used to use a 2x2 tent.

Im not tryin to scold you man, I just dont want to see you hit bullshit pitfalls on your first grow, so lets do it correctly from the door.

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Salah82 said:

First LED grow yes....never scrogged before.....

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InTheValley said:

Bro, i also had the same asperations as you. But i went DWC, and was like, "I want a big ass Tree" but it never worked out like that. To get the LARGE trees, you need the Sun, or a 1000W hps, and even then, it comes down to genetics. DWC was a nightmare,SMH, never again. Wasted soooooo much water and nutes.

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InTheValley said:

Because they will stretch. The premise is you want all the tops to be even as possible. So each one is fighting to be the MAIN TOP, because there are special hormones in the toppest of all of them. So if you keep them even, they will ALL try to be the main top, and ALL will carry the dominate Hormone to grow big as it can. You understand that? So, if you have 10 tops, and 1 top that is higher then the other 10, the highest one will carry the main dominance, and leave the other 10 stagering behind. and you dont want that. so, when you keep them under the net, its a level playing field for ALL of them, at the same time. So a good scrog, should have every top almost identical in size. Sure, you sometimes can stop some, but if you try reallly hard to keep them level, its a more favorable outcome at the end.

So, you have 1 big branch, and when you lay it horizontal, every singe shot on that branch, now becomes a cola. Just as if you took a tree outside, and bent it level with the ground, all the branches will form " trees" off the main trunk.

Ok,?

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InTheValley said:

Because they will stretch. The premise is you want all the tops to be even as possible. So each one is fighting to be the MAIN TOP, because there are special hormones in the toppest of all of them. So if you keep them even, they will ALL try to be the main top, and ALL will carry the dominate Hormone to grow big as it can. You understand that? So, if you have 10 tops, and 1 top that is higher then the other 10, the highest one will carry the main dominance, and leave the other 10 stagering behind. and you dont want that. so, when you keep them under the net, its a level playing field for ALL of them, at the same time. So a good scrog, should have every top almost identical in size. Sure, you sometimes can stop some, but if you try reallly hard to keep them level, its a more favorable outcome at the end.

So, you have 1 big branch, and when you lay it horizontal, every singe shot on that branch, now becomes a cola. Just as if you took a tree outside, and bent it level with the ground, all the branches will form " trees" off the main trunk.

Ok,?

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InTheValley said:

Hey bud, you need another driver. or can hook to a 12v adapter. Thats why i was kinda tryin to push you to get the $17 heatsink/fan combo cobkits had. think it was you anyways, lol.. There are a few now that are getting into Luminus, but cant go wrong with the heatsink/fan combo.. So far anyways,lol... knock on wood, I love them.

Driver should be fairly cheap, ( $8.50 )http://cobkits.com/product/apv-12-12-12v-driver-for-fans/

thats the one i use myself. Id imagine it should run whatever fans u use.

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InTheValley said:

not sure man, maybe cobkits or someone can chime in on it. i cant read the link,lol..

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InTheValley said:

Hey guys, I took reading from my Perfect Sun mini. My hacked Lux meter, is EXACT to the HydroFarm PAR meter. Im talking right on the money. From 5 ft all the way to the light, its exact. Dont pay the $ for these PAR meters, and Follow my instructions to the hacked lux meter. Ill post pics later, but take my word for it, If you want a PAR meter, save yourself $100 and hack the lux meter. So it even gives perfect reading even if its a blurple. Perfect sun is a blurple light, but a freaking powerfull blurple,lol.. 1000 lux at 14 inches, 150 par at 5ft, which is impressive.

As i said before, its about intensity with these meters, nothing to do with spectrum. both meters read in the 400-700 range, dont fall for the BS.

ok, carry on.

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