CO-06: Why Jason Crow represents everything that's wrong with the DCCC and Establishment Democrats

kelly4

kelly4

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abandonconflict said:
Please find me any post where someone says that. Take a screen shot. I want to know who has said that and it doesn't even have to be verbatim but it does have to be that same message worded in some way. Who has ever criticized Berners just because they didn't vote for Hillary Clinton?
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UB blames EVERYONE who didn't vote for Hillary, including you.
 
abandonconflict

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kelly4 said:
UB blames EVERYONE who didn't vote for Hillary, including you.
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I'll let Buck defend himself against personally directed claims and comments but I have never seen someone specifically diss a (one of them directly) berntard just because they didn't vote for Clinton. Maybe someone has at some point made the "if you didn't vote Clinton you're to blame" sort of blanket statement, which I don't agree with but that hardly counts as an example of what has been claimed repeatedly in this thread. Nobody has singled me out and given me the blame and I did not vote for Clinton, nor have I ever supported her. I just assumed she couldn't lose to Mango Mussolini.
 
kelly4

kelly4

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abandonconflict said:
I'll let Buck defend himself against personally directed claims and comments but I have never seen someone specifically diss a (one of them directly) berntard just because they didn't vote for Clinton. Maybe someone has at some point made the "if you didn't vote Clinton you're to blame" sort of blanket statement, which I don't agree with but that hardly counts as an example of what has been claimed repeatedly in this thread. Nobody has singled me out and given me the blame and I did not vote for Clinton, nor have I ever supported her. I just assumed she couldn't lose to Mango Mussolini.
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UB told me that a vote for anyone other then Hillary was a vote for Trump.

If I would have voted I would have voted for Stein.
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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kelly4 said:
UB told me that a vote for anyone other then Hillary was a vote for Trump.

If I would have voted I would have voted for Stein.
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Fair enough but it still doesn't support the fallacious argument that the berntards tried to use on me in this thread. Also, that doesn't sound like it would have been formatted as an insult or as to say anyone who didn't vote for her supported him or that they're automatically some right-wing blowhard espousing bigoted views. It sounds like an argument that objectively, those votes did not help defeat him. It is a complete fallacy on Pada's part to have claimed that one either supported one or the other, since supporting neither does not contradict UB's alleged blanket statement.
 
abandonconflict

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To reiterate in a more plain and direct way, blow'n'go alluded to a "berners are retarded for not voting Clinton" shtick that all of "bucky's ball washers" participate in.

I have not washed Bucky's balls yet so I'm not sure if I'm one of the people he is alluding to, but I will explicate his argument charitably and assume he is referring to a group that he sees me as being a part of. I have never participated in any such shtick. Also, I am going to assume that @Fogdog is a member of this illustrious ball washing club, or at least that blow'n'go sees him as part of this group and I will likewise point out that he has made it very clear that his gripe is similar to mine and that he does not participate in any such shtick either.

I can't speak for any of the avowed Clinton Supporters who are apparently members of the Bucky's ball washers club but my guess is that they haven't participated in any suck shtick either, since they never directed it toward me. I could be wrong, which is why I asked for screenshots or a 'reply with quote'.
 
Fogdog

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abandonconflict said:
To reiterate in a more plain and direct way, blow'n'go alluded to a "berners are retarded for not voting Clinton" shtick that all of "bucky's ball washers" participate in.

I have not washed Bucky's balls yet so I'm not sure if I'm one of the people he is alluding to, but I will explicate his argument charitably and assume he is referring to a group that he sees me as being a part of. I have never participated in any such shtick. Also, I am going to assume that @Fogdog is a member of this illustrious ball washing club, or at least that blow'n'go sees him as part of this group and I will likewise point out that he has made it very clear that his gripe is similar to mine and that he does not participate in any such shtick either.

I can't speak for any of the avowed Clinton Supporters who are apparently members of the Bucky's ball washers club but my guess is that they haven't participated in any suck shtick either, since they never directed it toward me. I could be wrong, which is why I asked for screenshots or a 'reply with quote'.
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That shit about ball washing to me indicates a lack of an argument. It's blood in the water to me. I may only be a dog shark but I can tell when somebody is bleeding.

His background is professional sports -- hockey, retired. This isn't a comment about him per se, just that kind of talk is pretty mild compared to what goes on in locker room banter. I mean, "grab 'em by the pussy" is locker room talk according to the great football star of NY Military Academy (high school), Donald Trump. @st0wandgrow is just following in The Donald's footsteps.
 
abandonconflict

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Fogdog said:
That shit about ball washing to me indicates a lack of an argument. It's blood in the water to me. I may only be a dog shark but I can tell when somebody is bleeding.

His background is professional sports -- hockey, retired. This isn't a comment about him per se, just that kind of talk is pretty mild compared to what goes on in locker room banter. I mean, "grab 'em by the pussy" is locker room talk according to the great football star of NY Military Academy (high school), Donald Trump. @st0wandgrow is just following in The Donald's footsteps.
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Pretty common sort of thing in the army too, which is why it is so surprising to me that they're so sensitive to what basically amounts to a towel snapping on the butt.
 
twostrokenut

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abandonconflict said:
I'll let Buck defend himself against personally directed claims and comments but I have never seen someone specifically diss a (one of them directly) berntard just because they didn't vote for Clinton. Maybe someone has at some point made the "if you didn't vote Clinton you're to blame" sort of blanket statement, which I don't agree with but that hardly counts as an example of what has been claimed repeatedly in this thread. Nobody has singled me out and given me the blame and I did not vote for Clinton, nor have I ever supported her. I just assumed she couldn't lose to Mango Mussolini.
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no you are mistaken. according to the usual suspects you are to blame as I am. maybe noone has told you directly or applied it to you personally but it is applicable to you and there was a fuck ton of it, not one blanket statement by any means.

I voted Johnson and was told that was a vote for trump, in fact any vote not for hillary was a vote for trump. of course this comes with a huge grain of salt as this sentiment came mainly from the guy who bet himself out of here when she lost.

tl;Dr you are wrong.
 
twostrokenut

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abandonconflict said:
I am going to assume that @Fogdog is a member of this illustrious ball washing club, or at least that blow'n'go sees him as part of this group and I will likewise point out that he has made it very clear that his gripe is similar to mine and that he does not participate in any such shtick either.
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Fogdog said:
His background is professional sports -- hockey, retired. This isn't a comment about him per se, just that kind of talk is pretty mild compared to what goes on in locker room banter. I mean, "grab 'em by the pussy" is locker room talk according to the great football star of NY Military Academy (high school), Donald Trump. @st0wandgrow is just following in The Donald's footsteps.
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sure, no shtick there huh!
 
abandonconflict

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I mean, most of us thought there was no way she could lose to that fucking clown and really, she didn't. She won the popular vote. Blaming bernard and his supporters though, specifically for how things went (not just the blanket statement that if one did not vote for her...) since they formed a faction to split the party makes a lot of sense to me. That whole faction split thing goes really far and does a lot of damage. It leaves all 3 branches of the gov't in the hands of the GOP but does so in a way that leave no opposition against them. It also became the biggest roadblock to building a third party so there goes what would have been some kind of opposition to the fascist regime. To add insult to injury they seem to have been motivated by an explicit desire just to see Clinton lose, to hell with the consequences. Now that it has all gone down, they're calling it some kind of great opportunity for the left, as if complete disunity and vulnerability is somehow good for workers, minorities and other victims of our society.

And what do they do with this position they've gained? Well I don't see them standing up to fascism. I don't see them even criticizing racists. I don't see them involved in activism. In the last three months I have been in Mexico, in Atlanta, GA and now I'm in Tucson, AZ. I don't see Berners involved in activism. So I do blame them. Does that mean I support Clinton? What an absurd idea. What is it they keep decrying? Strawman? Now that is a strawman. To say that I have argued that a vote for anyone other than Clinton is a vote for Trump, now that is a strawman. It is a dummy they can attack in order to ignore all of the reasons I have just listed for blaming them.
 
twostrokenut

twostrokenut

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abandonconflict said:
I mean, most of us thought there was no way she could lose to that fucking clown and really, she didn't. She won the popular vote. Blaming bernard and his supporters though, specifically for how things went (not just the blanket statement that if one did not vote for her...) since they formed a faction to split the party makes a lot of sense to me. That whole faction split thing goes really far and does a lot of damage. It leaves all 3 branches of the gov't in the hands of the GOP but does so in a way that leave no opposition against them. It also became the biggest roadblock to building a third party so there goes what would have been some kind of opposition to the fascist regime. To add insult to injury they seem to have been motivated by an explicit desire just to see Clinton lose, to hell with the consequences. Now that it has all gone down, they're calling it some kind of great opportunity for the left, as if complete disunity and vulnerability is somehow good for workers, minorities and other victims of our society.

And what do they do with this position they've gained? Well I don't see them standing up to fascism. I don't see them even criticizing racists. I don't see them involved in activism. In the last three months I have been in Mexico, in Atlanta, GA and now I'm in Tucson, AZ. I don't see Berners involved in activism. So I do blame them. Does that mean I support Clinton? What an absurd idea. What is it they keep decrying? Strawman? Now that is a strawman. To say that I have argued that a vote for anyone other than Clinton is a vote for Trump, now that is a strawman. It is a dummy they can attack in order to ignore all of the reasons I have just listed for blaming them.
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so Ron Paul's non interventionalist policies of not policing the world and cutting military spending are what appealed to you? or was it ending the fed?
 
Fogdog

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abandonconflict said:
I mean, most of us thought there was no way she could lose to that fucking clown and really, she didn't. She won the popular vote. Blaming bernard and his supporters though, specifically for how things went (not just the blanket statement that if one did not vote for her...) since they formed a faction to split the party makes a lot of sense to me. That whole faction split thing goes really far and does a lot of damage. It leaves all 3 branches of the gov't in the hands of the GOP but does so in a way that leave no opposition against them. It also became the biggest roadblock to building a third party so there goes what would have been some kind of opposition to the fascist regime. To add insult to injury they seem to have been motivated by an explicit desire just to see Clinton lose, to hell with the consequences. Now that it has all gone down, they're calling it some kind of great opportunity for the left, as if complete disunity and vulnerability is somehow good for workers, minorities and other victims of our society.

And what do they do with this position they've gained? Well I don't see them standing up to fascism. I don't see them even criticizing racists. I don't see them involved in activism. In the last three months I have been in Mexico, in Atlanta, GA and now I'm in Tucson, AZ. I don't see Berners involved in activism. So I do blame them. Does that mean I support Clinton? What an absurd idea. What is it they keep decrying? Strawman? Now that is a strawman. To say that I have argued that a vote for anyone other than Clinton is a vote for Trump, now that is a strawman. It is a dummy they can attack in order to ignore all of the reasons I have just listed for blaming them.
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Been thinking the same thing about our revolutionary Sandernistas (snicker). They have absolutely no presence other than on the internet so far as I can tell. Let them criticize and fulminate about how the Democrats are too far right on many policies. That's OK. But really, where are Sandernistas (snicker) on the record publicly on this. The women's march in February was organized by mainstream Democrats. It was unions and antifa that defended Portland Oregon from neo-Nazi occupation last month. These Sandernistas (snicker) are paper tigers.
 
Fogdog

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twostrokenut said:
sure, no shtick there huh!
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LOL.

You know, it's true that I agree with Buck on a lot of issues. Including distaste for a poor man who, through his libertarian ideals thinks he's one of the wealthy and talks as if he is. So, go ahead and delude yourself.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you can now afford oatmeal to feed your kid.
 
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