Club 600

zero-veg

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11 plants, I think the tray is 22 x 30 or so. I spends some time under one 600 and then under a 1000 to finish. If I have three trays going, the ripest one goes under the 1K.
 
I tend to think that zero veg is a good technique if ya wanna build a collection of different strains in a short time. Never done it myself. Definetly if i had a lot of strains to get through which i do. lol
 
For sure, also a great way to pump out some SOG. I'm leaning towards doing this in the fall. I'm sick of messing with dirt!
 
It is still less than a year for me, unbelievable when I think about it, but I haven't really started producing anything mentionable until lately. That's partly because I've had bad luck with males and because of reluctance on my part to not get too far ahead of myself. At first I did long vegges only to find those males and piss myself off, or end up with an unsatisfactory finish. None a waste of time in my opinion, for all the experience I've gotten from it, but I also had some luxury and time to deal with where you may not. I've been trying to do the same thing that I did with wine, but without the SEXFACTOR, and that is to build up my reserve quickly with 2 to 3 times what I need to produce to fill my consumption, then back off. I've pondered the full closet, single run type grow, but since decided I couldn't limit my desire for variety. I've been smoking the unknown strain from the same unknown source for too long now because someone else controls my choice. I think I've definitely decided on smaller perpetual grows, but if i did want to do a full tent run I think I'd expand. HMMM? This is a luxury that you can have right now Kyle, simply by dividing and concurring.

If I could put it in a nutshell and redo it this is it. I would go all femmed seed and start to grow enough to fill my pockets, followed by my choice regular seed a few weeks behind, and I wouldn't be so nervous and reluctant to plant extra seed. I'm saying seed because I don't have the ability to get clones, unless I grow them myself, and I'd rather make seed if I'm dealing with males. Why let them waste my time is how I feel. To fill my needs I'm trying to shoot for 2+ oz a month. I can easily do that perpetually with my one 600 in my m2 and I'm trying to get to be at 10 cured at all times. Everything else is gravy. So there's my ramble, hope it made sense and you or someone got something from it.

:peace:Duchie
 
Duchie, I think the first pic is one of the smaller buds of the Hericules and the other is the Blackjack. I cannot express how happy I am with this grow so far. The hericules is a cross of herijuana x shack. Shack is sannies jack herer crossed with shiva, that and the herijuana x big white look like they are going to be really nice producers. I have no info on the herijuana/big white, it was a freebie. I'm into week five of 12/12 and starting to lose some lower fan leaves and some others are starting to yellow so I've given them a nice healthy dose of grow nutes. I will continue to give them some grow nutes for a couple of weeks along with their other flowering nutes. I've also stepped up the cal-mag usage, we'll see what it does cof, although it's going to be hard to tell since I'm also giving them some N so which is actually doing what?

You like that jig? I am actually occasionally using the multi-quote. I am a big time offender of not using it and posting several posts in a row. Now stop bothering me so I can finish this page and answer something else separately on the next page. Old habits are hard to break.
 
billcollector99 said:
HU the sweat stains you are seein on the smart pots is salt build up usually.
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Normally I would agree with you collector, however the leaves show no signs of salt buildup in the soil. A lot of times what people perceive to be nute burn or some kind of defiencey when their leaves start to dry and crinkle from the tips inward, is salt buildup and it shows its effects on the leaves.

Kyle Willey said:
Thanks man, Ill check it out.

But if I go about it from clone, wont there potentially be more yield?
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From clone you already have a mature plant so it only seems to make sense you can get a bigger yield in a shorter time than with seed.

shnkrmn said:
My grow is zero-veg from clone. It's totally worth it (depending on your goals; mine is to grow lots and lots of cannabis) :D

https://www.rollitup.org/general-ma...5-my-perpetual-zero-veg-op-8.html#post5518342
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And you sir do it about as well as I've seen it done on here. You have your shit down for what you are trying to accomplish.

duchieman said:
It is still less than a year for me, unbelievable when I think about it, but I haven't really started producing anything mentionable until lately. That's partly because I've had bad luck with males and because of reluctance on my part to not get too far ahead of myself. At first I did long vegges only to find those males and piss myself off, or end up with an unsatisfactory finish. None a waste of time in my opinion, for all the experience I've gotten from it, but I also had some luxury and time to deal with where you may not. I've been trying to do the same thing that I did with wine, but without the SEXFACTOR, and that is to build up my reserve quickly with 2 to 3 times what I need to produce to fill my consumption, then back off. I've pondered the full closet, single run type grow, but since decided I couldn't limit my desire for variety. I've been smoking the unknown strain from the same unknown source for too long now because someone else controls my choice. I think I've definitely decided on smaller perpetual grows, but if i did want to do a full tent run I think I'd expand. HMMM? This is a luxury that you can have right now Kyle, simply by dividing and concurring.

If I could put it in a nutshell and redo it this is it. I would go all femmed seed and start to grow enough to fill my pockets, followed by my choice regular seed a few weeks behind, and I wouldn't be so nervous and reluctant to plant extra seed. I'm saying seed because I don't have the ability to get clones, unless I grow them myself, and I'd rather make seed if I'm dealing with males. Why let them waste my time is how I feel. To fill my needs I'm trying to shoot for 2+ oz a month. I can easily do that perpetually with my one 600 in my m2 and I'm trying to get to be at 10 cured at all times. Everything else is gravy. So there's my ramble, hope it made sense and you or someone got something from it.

:peace:Duchie
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I smell ya' duchie. I guess it's been about two and a half years for me and I did some of the same things you have done and came to the same conclusions. I just ordered some new beans this mornning...and like the stoner I am, the choices I said I had made, changed. Instead of the dna sweet haze, I went with their chocolope and from delicious seeds, critical+/kali mist. Sativa DOMINANT baby and all feminized. I'm lucky enough to be working most of the time so I can afford to spend a couple of hundred dollars on beans every once in a while. I might kick the bucket tomorrow so I'm done wasting what time I do have left growing males and wasting soil. Every feminized bean that I have germinated has grown into a female, no seeds and great yields, at least from the sativa dominant strains I've grown. This grow, other than the blackjack are all feminized beans of sannies and I'm real pleased so far. One of the things that makes our hobby great, there is no real wrongs as long as you learn and nothing is written in stone that says you have to do it this way. To each their own...

which brings me to this...

Kyle, two six hundreds will give you much better coverage than a single one thousand and as dst mentioned, two hps to one mh is ideal for flowering if you can control the heat from three lights in your set-up. As to how much of what method of growing is best, that you will decide with some experience. I like to grow full size plants, not monsters but nice plants. I use three gallon smart pots, two lights and I like to have six plants going. Any more and they really start getting squeezed for room. I'm not trying to grow single cola plants with one huge top bud. I supercrop my plants to slow down the top growth while giving the side growth a chance to catch up with the tops, it makes for a better more even canopy. I like growing from seed, I like watching the whole process take place and after all this time still enjoy seeing a plant in veg. Keep growing and eventually you'll figure out what you like. I don't like watering twenty plants every day, it becomes a pain in the arse to me and stops being fun. Good luck.
 
Heads Up said:
Duchie, I think the first pic is one of the smaller buds of the Hericules and the other is the Blackjack. I cannot express how happy I am with this grow so far. The hericules is a cross of herijuana x shack. Shack is sannies jack herer crossed with shiva, that and the herijuana x big white look like they are going to be really nice producers. I have no info on the herijuana/big white, it was a freebie. I'm into week five of 12/12 and starting to lose some lower fan leaves and some others are starting to yellow so I've given them a nice healthy dose of grow nutes. I will continue to give them some grow nutes for a couple of weeks along with their other flowering nutes. I've also stepped up the cal-mag usage, we'll see what it does cof, although it's going to be hard to tell since I'm also giving them some N so which is actually doing what?

You like that jig? I am actually occasionally using the multi-quote. I am a big time offender of not using it and posting several posts in a row. Now stop bothering me so I can finish this page and answer something else separately on the next page. Old habits are hard to break.
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Very nice Heads Up, I'm happy with what's going on with my Sannie gear too. My Jack Hammer is day 71 of 12/12 and starting to fatten up nicely. The lower buds are fat with seed and I'm not sure if I should harvest them soon or leave them. I'm a little paranoid they'll open and drop. Anyway those are questions I have for the breeders. My Extrema are doing very nice too, although they don't seem to be fans of topping. At least the girls aren't. I have two female and two male, both at day 43 12/12 with only 7 days veg. I spared the other one I was going to cull, if you recall (did you catch it? ;)), but I'm still set on my first choice. Then there's the two Cheeseberry Haze Fems, same timeline, and they love topping and doing great. My last two Jack Hammers are doing fantastic as well with one finally confirmed female today, they take a long time to show their girls, and I'm confident the other is too. In fact I'm really hoping because the other one, though a lighter green, is really nice looking, with almost a gold velvety appearance. Also if you recall, the the other day in fact (kaboom, splash), I burnt 4 Heri seedlings really bad? Well the other 4 I replaced them with, I just checked on and found 2 out, 1 peeking out and the other we'll see. One of the ones that are out has it's casing right over it's head pretty firmly. I'll have to watch that one. So that wraps up my Sannies but I have to mention my Afghani's, which are doing awesome, and the confirmed male I was looking for there. The other 4 aren't showing any signs like the first so maybe I'll get real lucky. Any way, not only am I thinking of breeding them with themselves, but also crossing them with the Extremas. Something like Extrema X Afghani and, Afghani X Extrema.

Anyway, I promise to get some pics up on my thread tonight, even a start, but I do have a question for the 600. I know there is a difference between flowering and 12/12, but if you count by 12/12 and not when you see pre-flowers, which I believe is how you guys determine flower start, how much time would you add to estimate true finish time? I hope I made sense there. Also if you only veg for 7 days, like my Extrema, how do you estimate finish time? Considering its day 43 12/12 it's only been 54 days since I planted them and they're a long way still. I'm starting to think it's better watch and log preflower rather than when you put them in.

Edit. Not to say that you wouldn't know what to do with my seed harvesting problem, ha ha, just trying to keep topics in their right place and not go off track.
 
I'm gonna be a devils advocate here and wonder if that wasn't caused my excessive heat from a loose connection. Sometimes when you think you have it all the way in, it really isn't. I think there's a product out there to help fix your problem (hehe) and help conduct electricity (KY, omg I'm on a roll). Don't let a poor connection and heat friction to ruin your day, get what all the experts get........
 
Uhm, I think I should apologize to cory for that, even though I meant it in fun I got thinking about how pissed you probably are and you probably didn't need that. So again I apologize and I won't even try to blame it on the Widow I've been smoking.

:peace:Duchie
 
Not necessarily. It can build up over time depending on the gap. It could have just reached that tipping point. How is the ballast, are you able to test it? Same thing with a nick in copper, it's like a car breaking down on the freeway, restricting flow and causing a hot spot. In this case some of the bridge is out. Here's the first link I found of a forum post asking about socket lube. (Ha ha, I'm sorry I can't help myself tonight) http://www.electriciantalk.com/f8/light-bulb-lube-seriously-932/ And actually, whatever you do, make sure it's non conductive, or you'll have a short for sure.
 
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