Club 315w lec

If anyone was wondering whether the 4200k bulbs veg ok. I had to throw my Sun Systems LEC into my 2x4x5' tent for a few days while my replacement LED's arrive. Had been wanting to try it for veg so this was the opportunity. As expected temps get too high in there but I did manage to get them manageable (81-83F through 18/6 cycle), not temps I like for veg but for a few days they'll be fine.

Anyhow, here's before and after pics after 4 days under the LEC. Makes me want to build a proper veg room where I can handle some noise from extraction fans and use this LEC for veg

Sunday after transplant from party cups:



Thursday night after 4 days of 315w 4200k:



Cheers

GroErr said:

If anyone was wondering whether the 4200k bulbs veg ok. I had to throw my Sun Systems LEC into my 2x4x5' tent for a few days while my replacement LED's arrive. Had been wanting to try it for veg so this was the opportunity. As expected temps get too high in there but I did manage to get them manageable (81-83F through 18/6 cycle), not temps I like for veg but for a few days they'll be fine.

Anyhow, here's before and after pics after 4 days under the LEC. Makes me want to build a proper veg room where I can handle some noise from extraction fans and use this LEC for veg

Sunday after transplant from party cups:

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Thursday night after 4 days of 315w 4200k:

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Cheers

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Have you vegged with the 3100k bulb too?

anyone have an opinion on the 315 watt DE bulbs?

MichiganMedGrower said:

Have you vegged with the 3100k bulb too?

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I think I have. Would have to check the box because I cant remember which bulb I got.
Either way they bloody love it in there.
Have you compared the two colour temps?

coreywebster said:

I think I have. Would have to check the box because I cant remember which bulb I got.
Either way they bloody love it in there.
Have you compared the two colour temps?

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Not yet. I gott a sun system remote reflector, galaxy ballast and Phillips 3100k bulb last November and tested it in flower til recently.

I am putting it in my 3x3 veg tent next. Using t-5's now.

MichiganMedGrower said:

Not yet. I gott a sun system remote reflector, galaxy ballast and Phillips 3100k bulb last November and tested it in flower til recently.

I am putting it in my 3x3 veg tent next. Using t-5's now.

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Look forward to hearing your opinions when the time comes.
My experience is not a fair test since I used to veg under a 400w hps so switching to the 315 was always going to be a win.

MichiganMedGrower said:

Have you vegged with the 3100k bulb too?

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I have vegged and flowered under my Nanolux NA with the 3100k. Have not used the 4200k yet so I cannot compare, but the 3100 did veg very well. Both veg'es were under the 3100k and one flower was, my second flower is in progress but it is a vert grow.
I am really impressed with the light and the lamps Phillips Elite. But the largest lamp I have used is a 400W HPS. I sure do miss growing outside. Oh well, my state will be one of that last few to follow the trend, LOL.

MichiganMedGrower said:

Have you vegged with the 3100k bulb too?

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No this is the first time I've vegged at all with the SS. Need a bigger tent (higher) to manage the heat without inline (noisy) fans. Don't really have the space for a 4x4' or 5x5' tent so I normally use LED's in multiple smaller tents so I don't have to worry about noisy extraction fans. 3100k's would probably be just fine though.

coreywebster said:

Look forward to hearing your opinions when the time comes.
My experience is not a fair test since I used to veg under a 400w hps so switching to the 315 was always going to be a win.

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Pretty sure my 315 setup equals about a 450 -500 w hps.

I am not as impressed as the reports from growers on the forums are. I found it gives a small footprint. And it does not grow big dense lower in the canopy buds like my Hortilux 600w Super hps or my 600w Hortilux blue.

I will eventually set up a room with 4'x8' flowering area with 2 air cooled blockbusters I have loaded with Super hps 600's and the sun system 315 in the middle of them. All hung close together for max blend.

I documented my tests in flower here in club 315 back in December to about April. I grow perpetually a plant every week or two so it is easy to see results.

CH9 seeds used this blue Lemon Thai bud I grew for a promotion. It was finished for 2 weeks under the 315 LEC. Stretched and transition and bud set under hps.

It brought out a more sativa structure to the buds and more trichomes and color.

It was a truly potent and trippy high. Obvious improvement over hps alone to all who tried.

And I did not tell any patients about the new light. I conduct blind tests with friends and patients.



It also stayed green easier than the plant under the hps the whole time. Like it was just happier under the light.

I am using a 600 Hortilux blue MH and a 600 Super HPS now and getting similar results.

Fuller spectrum for the win but I have found too much blue Grows leafier smaller buds. The 315 ultimately hurt my yield against the 600.

Here is the summer setup



Hope this helps someone. It's kind of a quick review of all my posts at the beginning of the year.

gr865 said:

I have vegged and flowered under my Nanolux NA with the 3100k. Have not used the 4200k yet so I cannot compare, but the 3100 did veg very well. Both veg'es were under the 3100k and one flower was, my second flower is in progress but it is a vert grow.
I am really impressed with the light and the lamps Phillips Elite. But the largest lamp I have used is a 400W HPS. I sure do miss growing outside. Oh well, my state will be one of that last few to follow the trend, LOL.

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I have viewed your fantastic going grow. Nice work man! Sure shows what the 315 can do.

MichiganMedGrower said:

Pretty sure my 315 setup equals about a 450 -500 w hps.

I am not as impressed as the reports from growers on the forums are. I found it gives a small footprint. And it does not grow big dense lower in the canopy buds like my Hortilux 600w Super hps or my 600w Hortilux blue.

I will eventually set up a room with 4'x8' flowering area with 2 air cooled blockbusters I have loaded with Super hps 600's and the sun system 315 in the middle of them. All hung close together for max blend.

I documented my tests in flower here in club 315 back in December to about April. I grow perpetually a plant every week or two so it is easy to see results.

CH9 seeds used this blue Lemon Thai bud I grew for a promotion. It was finished for 2 weeks under the 315 LEC. Stretched and transition and bud set under hps.

It brought out a more sativa structure to the buds and more trichomes and color.

It was a truly potent and trippy high. Obvious improvement over hps alone to all who tried.

And I did not tell any patients about the new light. I conduct blind tests with friends and patients.

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It also stayed green easier than the plant under the hps the whole time. Like it was just happier under the light.

I am using a 600 Hortilux blue MH and a 600 Super HPS now and getting similar results.

Fuller spectrum for the win but I have found too much blue Grows leafier smaller buds. The 315 ultimately hurt my yield against the 600.

Here is the summer setup

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Hope this helps someone. It's kind of a quick review of all my posts at the beginning of the year.

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I would agree with this statement, i found pretty much the exact same thing, i grew under a very similar setup (2x 600w hps with hortilux super hps bulbs with a 315w CMH between them) the plants that were directly under the CMH had the smallest buds, the ones that were between the hps and cmh had decent sized buds, the ones directly under the hps had the biggest buds. I would like to get a vertical reflector to see if that can help concentrate the beam cause i used my CMH in a horizontal position , but that's gonna have to wait.

I'm quite the opposite. I'm +1.25gpw with 315 cmh every run. No pgr/boosters, with 1000ppm co2. I do run elite genetics and I can alter my yields by what strains and bow many I run. I absolutely KILL it, every single time. I've turned about 20 growers onto the cmh way. I've not heard anything I'll from it.

DemonTrich said:

I'm quite the opposite. I'm +1.25gpw with 315 cmh every run. No pgr/boosters, with 1000ppm co2. I do run elite genetics and I can alter my yields by what strains and bow many I run. I absolutely KILL it, every single time. I've turned about 20 growers onto the cmh way. I've not heard anything I'll from it.

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I am usually averaging just under a gram per watt under a 600 hps but with plants at different stages and no static netted canopy. And I move the plants every day pretty much. Not a high yield technique but if I did it with known clones and a net I could easily get the other .25 in weight. Maybe more.

And that is almost a pound and a half with only a 4x4 footprint.

I don't grow for yield obviously with my technique only quality but the 600 hps yields over 30% more for me than the 315 can in the same approximate space. That's what I lost on average flowering under the cmh.

I will only be using them for supplemental spectrum and veg.

Under 630DE-R
Few more water days then chop...big thick buds,good strong smells,..good lights in my opinion.

Veg my plants under 6 315lec...4200 & 3100

They all veg just fine,now under 2 630DE-R temperature in the mid 80's
Lots of air circulation.

Rocking it G!

GroErr said:

No this is the first time I've vegged at all with the SS. Need a bigger tent (higher) to manage the heat without inline (noisy) fans. Don't really have the space for a 4x4' or 5x5' tent so I normally use LED's in multiple smaller tents so I don't have to worry about noisy extraction fans. 3100k's would probably be just fine though.

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can u get a pic of veg w/ only 4 days under the led as a comparison? what is the kelvin of the led u use?
i have a 4200k cdl bulb ive never used,, i went from a 6500k 400 watt mh in my veg to a 315 w/ the 3100k bulb.. my veg is a 2x4ft f&d table and the 315 does just as well if not better than under mh, clones and seed lings really pack on the nodes wile the height is very managable,, recently i added a 100 watt citizen 4000k to my veg room,, so now 1 315 and 1 citizen,, i havnt seen any big differences yet...i keep lamps at 2ft above canopy in veg always,, at 2ft above the 315 covers the 2x4 table well,,, i added the led as a test,, ill see how it goes... im going to have to switch the bulb in my cdl to see how the 4200k compares,,

GroErr said:

If anyone was wondering whether the 4200k bulbs veg ok. I had to throw my Sun Systems LEC into my 2x4x5' tent for a few days while my replacement LED's arrive. Had been wanting to try it for veg so this was the opportunity. As expected temps get too high in there but I did manage to get them manageable (81-83F through 18/6 cycle), not temps I like for veg but for a few days they'll be fine.

Anyhow, here's before and after pics after 4 days under the LEC. Makes me want to build a proper veg room where I can handle some noise from extraction fans and use this LEC for veg

Sunday after transplant from party cups:

View attachment 3965699

Thursday night after 4 days of 315w 4200k:

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Cheers

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have u noticed any difference on how the plants use nutrients differently from led and the ceramic's?? i know its only a 4 day test,, but i wonder if you would need to change ur nutrient mix if you switched perminently from led to cdl in veg???

TheChemist77 said:

can u get a pic of veg w/ only 4 days under the led as a comparison? what is the kelvin of the led u use?
i have a 4200k cdl bulb ive never used,, i went from a 6500k 400 watt mh in my veg to a 315 w/ the 3100k bulb.. my veg is a 2x4ft f&d table and the 315 does just as well if not better than under mh, clones and seed lings really pack on the nodes wile the height is very managable,, recently i added a 100 watt citizen 4000k to my veg room,, so now 1 315 and 1 citizen,, i havnt seen any big differences yet...i keep lamps at 2ft above canopy in veg always,, at 2ft above the 315 covers the 2x4 table well,,, i added the led as a test,, ill see how it goes... im going to have to switch the bulb in my cdl to see how the 4200k compares,,

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TheChemist77 said:

can u get a pic of veg w/ only 4 days under the led as a comparison? what is the kelvin of the led u use?
i have a 4200k cdl bulb ive never used,, i went from a 6500k 400 watt mh in my veg to a 315 w/ the 3100k bulb.. my veg is a 2x4ft f&d table and the 315 does just as well if not better than under mh, clones and seed lings really pack on the nodes wile the height is very managable,, recently i added a 100 watt citizen 4000k to my veg room,, so now 1 315 and 1 citizen,, i havnt seen any big differences yet...i keep lamps at 2ft above canopy in veg always,, at 2ft above the 315 covers the 2x4 table well,,, i added the led as a test,, ill see how it goes... im going to have to switch the bulb in my cdl to see how the 4200k compares,,

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Sorry man, no time for doing proper comparisons, just posting what I saw when I set them up temporarily. Too hot for that tent which was what I figured but wanted to test it, already replaced them with some other LED's, mixed 6k (2x 70w) and 3k (1x 70w) for now, will see how that goes and maybe replace the 3k with another 6k if I don't like what I see.

I can tell you I haven't seen growth that fast with seedings with my blurple panels and I've been vegging with them for 4 years. Don't know what the kelvin would be for those blurple panels, it's mixed colours but lots of blue in there. Part of the increased speed in veg for that short period may have been the switch in spectrum imo, they were vegging up from seed under the blurples. Wasn't a proper test in that regard, I'd want to see them come up under the 4200k from seed to really know the difference.

JOTI Blueberry clones under 315
Topped once. Day 33 flower

GroErr said:

If anyone was wondering whether the 4200k bulbs veg ok. I had to throw my Sun Systems LEC into my 2x4x5' tent for a few days while my replacement LED's arrive. Had been wanting to try it for veg so this was the opportunity. As expected temps get too high in there but I did manage to get them manageable (81-83F through 18/6 cycle), not temps I like for veg but for a few days they'll be fine.

Anyhow, here's before and after pics after 4 days under the LEC. Makes me want to build a proper veg room where I can handle some noise from extraction fans and use this LEC for veg

Sunday after transplant from party cups:

View attachment 3965699

Thursday night after 4 days of 315w 4200k:

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Cheers

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Hi Dude,
Nice looking plants and set up Do you have a live feed from a camera set up? I was looking at doing the same, so i can monitor the ladies without having to cross the road to my garage...
I have wifi in the garage, was just a bit worried about streaming the live feed (security/hackers etc..)