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Closed Eye Visuals

HeatlessBBQ

HeatlessBBQ

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what substance/s give you the best or most vivid closed eye visuals??

for me its by far N,N-Dimethyltryptamine (DMT)
even at low dosages.

next in line would be psilocybin (mushrooms)
anywhere from 1 gram +
what doses for you???

LSD gives good CEVs but not as vivid as dmt or mushrooms IMO
 
ndangerspecimen101

ndangerspecimen101

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ANC said:
Salvia, DMT, mescaline, non-recreational doses of LSD.
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Haha I smirked wildly as you said taking non-recreational doses of LSD... man oh man, wonder what kind of dosages that may be!

Ketamine could be a very good candidate for close eye visuals, but its more so of a third eye perceptive from the mind.
 
ANC

ANC

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DMT in a way, "forces" you to see.
Salvia is more like a fine lady you need to court, but in the end it is magnificent.
 
HeatlessBBQ

HeatlessBBQ

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hmmmm. maybe i needa go down to the head shop and pick up some salvia.

havnt done it in a few years because of the fear i got due to smoking it around too many people at a party.
it was 30x I believe.

what x do you recommend?
 
Sorklaoter

Sorklaoter

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ndangerspecimen101 said:
Haha I smirked wildly as you said taking non-recreational doses of LSD... man oh man, wonder what kind of dosages that may be!

Ketamine could be a very good candidate for close eye visuals, but its more so of a third eye perceptive from the mind.
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I know what he means. Recreational is that mood-enhancing, social, still easy-to-function trip where you can be out with friends having a great time and people who don't know you're tripping might not be able to figure it out. Non-recreational is still amazing (actually much more amazing) but not quite as public-friendly (you might want to be somewhere where it doesn't matter how loud or insane you are for shit like that)

And as for closed-eye visuals, DMT and then psilocybin I'd day. Salvia's more like being raped by every existence ever, at least in my experience.
 
ndangerspecimen101

ndangerspecimen101

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Salvia at first for many is a whiplash of confusion... no one really knows what to make of it... salvia doesn't do the teaching, you do! Until you know how to train the saliva experience... you wont' be able to appreciate the experience!

As ANC briefly put, "Salvia is more like a fine lady you need to court, but in the end it is magnificent"
 
HeatlessBBQ

HeatlessBBQ

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ndangerspecimen101 said:
Salvia at first for many is a whiplash of confusion... no one really knows what to make of it... salvia doesn't do the teaching, you do! Until you know how to train the saliva experience... you wont' be able to appreciate the experience!

As ANC briefly put, "Salvia is more like a fine lady you need to court, but in the end it is magnificent"
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worrrrd. =]
makes sense now
 
ANC

ANC

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HeatlessBBQ said:
hmmmm. maybe i needa go down to the head shop and pick up some salvia.

havnt done it in a few years because of the fear i got due to smoking it around too many people at a party.
it was 30x I believe.

what x do you recommend?
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Plain leaf, and lots of time, its not like popping a cap of acid, its not something you can force.... but with time (probably less than a year) you can teach your body to get the full effect without trying to force the plant (by useing a high potency xtract) to show you things.

You will never gain a position of control with salvia, you need to let it do the teaching and deciding what its going to present you with, once you start handing over the controls it gets realy interesting and valuable.
 
ndangerspecimen101

ndangerspecimen101

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ANC said:
Plain leaf, and lots of time, its not like popping a cap of acid, its not something you can force.... but with time (probably less than a year) you can teach your body to get the full effect without trying to force the plant (by useing a high potency xtract) to show you things.

You will never gain a position of control with salvia, you need to let it do the teaching and deciding what its going to present you with, once you start handing over the controls it gets realy interesting and valuable.
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It's a two way street... there are people who get putrified when losing control because all their life they're accustomed to being the master. Then there is the idea of letting go, let those "alleged" bad thoughts pass and to accept them. There there is the combined ideology of maintaining one's ground and owning the experience, this is where the true value comes in... to be a passive instructor ;)
 
ANC

ANC

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I think just learning the skill to pick up the pieces afterwards, is 80% of the struggle won.
 
ANC

ANC

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But, yeah, I don't think I responded to what you said fully, I am totaly one of those people who has to loose my shit once in a while.
I'm also one of the people that is the most scared of LSD that I know, it is realy a dual edged sword for those of us who allready only just bearly still place our feet in ordinary reality.
If I don't do it with hallucigenics, I act out self-destructively in real life, I guess as a way of shirking responsibility and hopes other people place on me.
 
gogrow

gogrow

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ANC said:
But, yeah, I don't think I responded to what you said fully, I am totaly one of those people who has to loose my shit once in a while.
I'm also one of the people that is the most scared of LSD that I know, it is realy a dual edged sword for those of us who allready only just bearly still place our feet in ordinary reality.
If I don't do it with hallucigenics, I act out self-destructively in real life, I guess as a way of shirking responsibility and hopes other people place on me.
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that is deep, but i believe I understand and identify with it as well.
 
gogrow

gogrow

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ndangerspecimen101 said:
No need for a slap in the face by society, let LSD do that for ya ;)
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hehe.... that's what my lil brothers got last week or w/e for their first acid experience ..... a good slap in the face. Never seen anyone besides myself break down and cry about their life while frying until then :D .... but, they wanna do it again, so I suppose it was a great experience for them.
 
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