Cloning weak stems = weak plants

RickWhite

RickWhite

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Anyone ever try cloning those scrubby little shoots from the bottom of the plant thinking they would regenerate and become normal sized plants?

Well, I tried it and they grew some of the scrawniest plants I have seen. I'm 99% sure this is the cause because they are in a DWC with other clones from the same mother and those grew quite nicely. And they all receive good light.

Evidently, those shoots lack something needed for vigorous growth.
 
Woomeister

Woomeister

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Nonsense, the cloning process does not pick and choose parts of the 'mother' plant, it has the complete dna profile.
 
RickWhite

RickWhite

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Woomeister said:
Nonsense, the cloning process does not pick and choose parts of the 'mother' plant, it has the complete dna profile.
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That's what I thought when I did it.

Notice those little dwarf shoots never grow like the others. Different parts of an organism are made up of different cell types and they don't all necessarily take on new rolls when cloned. For instance, would a cloned root stop being a root and grow to be a full plant? Seems like those little dwarf stems just want to be dwarf stems. You are welcome to try it if you want pathetic plants.
 
Woomeister

Woomeister

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I have Botanical sciences degree my friend and I am telling you the truth... I always clone using the small branches so as not to lessen my yield and slow growth. Your plants are weak thats the real answer to your quandry.
 
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EverythingHydro.com

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Interesting question. Never put the two together because I'm not sure it's true. I take cuttings anywhere I can on a plant. I've never noticed or could tell which one was which afterwards.

From a cellular/biological POV, I can't think of anything I've learned that would say otherwise. A clone is an exact idential match to the parent.

Secondly, you can stress and bend plants to improve plant stability (ie, grow thicker stems).

I think something else kept the clone from maturing normally...not because you took a smaller cutting.
 
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EverythingHydro.com

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Woomeister said:
I have Botanical sciences degree my friend and I am telling you the truth... I always clone using the small branches so as not to lessen my yield and slow growth. Your plants are weak thats the real answer to your quandry.
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Finally...someone who understands. When did you get your degree? I have enough credit hours for bachelors but didn't take a stupid math class to get the degree.
 
greenyield

greenyield

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RickWhite said:
Anyone ever try cloning those scrubby little shoots from the bottom of the plant thinking they would regenerate and become normal sized plants?

Well, I tried it and they grew some of the scrawniest plants I have seen. I'm 99% sure this is the cause because they are in a DWC with other clones from the same mother and those grew quite nicely. And they all receive good light.

Evidently, those shoots lack something needed for vigorous growth.
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lets say that you take two clones from the same mother and one of them has a fatter stem than the other and quite noticeably so. if they both root at the same time i would say, with my own experience that the clone with the fatter stem will grow with more vigour and probably outgrow the thinner stemmed clone. try to take clones of even length and stem size to get even growth from all clones.
 
Mikey Hustle

Mikey Hustle

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I have listened to things that we all understand from different books, internet, and word of mouth.

As I dont think that Rick is an idiot. I do feel he is SLIGHTLY wrong.

I have been doing some serious cloning on GDP and White widow in the last year. I have also come to the same conclusion that Rick did.

Then I realized that the bigger branches had more root growth. When I left the little ones in the clone dome longer, and they gained more root growth... I then transferred them into pots & they were no longer little plants. They just required more time to root.
 
RickWhite

RickWhite

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I guess with my degree in molecular biology I'm just the ignoramus of the group.

I am not talking about small branches. I am talking about those teeny tiny dwarf branches that only get a few inches long.

The reason behind this probably has to do with cell differentiation. Cells in organisms are typically specialized - stem cells grow into stems, leaves grow into leaves and roots grow into roots. Stems have cells in them that will grow into roots and that is why they can be cloned. And these stems also have a mechanism by which they actually reproduce an offspring.

There is something about the tiny dwarf shoots that makes them remain small. I suspect that if you chopped your entire plant save for these dwarf stems, they still would grow only very sparsely and not very large. It is as if these stems are programed to remain tiny for some reason.

Anyway, the clones they produced were grown in the exact same conditions as the others. While most of the plants grew big heavy buds, these plants were runts. There simply is no other explanation.

And just to be clear, I am not talking about small bottom stems - I am talking about the tiny 4" shoots on the very bottom. The ones that look like they just aren't meant to grow.
 
seasmoke

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Rick, All I clone are the little branches from underneath and every one of them turn into great plants that yield about 1/4 lb at around 3ft tall.(indoors of course)The only problems i've had with my plants was brought on by human error.

The ONLY plant that is "weak" is a Sativa Spirit, that is known for being tall and lanky....she just won't hold up her buds. I do love this smoke though, man don't I get the munchies...
 
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dbo24242

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RickWhite said:
For instance, would a cloned root stop being a root and grow to be a full plant?
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... cloned root :|

thats pretty lame for a college grad, especially of biology...

if its a tissue culture clone it will become a perfectly fine plant... and that certainly isn't as robust as its mother its a fucking little tissue lol. if its a scrawny branch clone it will grow how you allow it to, normally into a full sized plant. or in your case, crappy.
 
ink the world

ink the world

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I cloned a small flower that had been pollinated and seeded. It took a while but that puny little clone rooted and developed into a nice Mom. She just went into flowering after giving me 11 clones, all rooting as we speak. Most of my clones are small, i find they root easier than the thicker stemmed cuttings.

Sorry Rick but based on my own personal experience your theory is off base.

Pic 1 is the little seeded cutting. Pic 2 is her after being chopped for cuttings, pic 3 is her cuttings.
 

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i have found that those small mini branches at the bottom do tend to stay a dwarf compared to nice big cuts but the small bottom cut started smaller than the big long cut so i would expect it to finish smaller as well. bongsmilie also different strains grow differently and have diferent characteristics so that has to be taken in to consideration also. the strain im talking about is gods gift
 
purple voodoo#5

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ink the world said:
I cloned a small flower that had been pollinated and seeded. It took a while but that puny little clone rooted and developed into a nice Mom. She just went into flowering after giving me 11 clones, all rooting as we speak. Most of my clones are small, i find they root easier than the thicker stemmed cuttings.

Sorry Rick but based on my own personal experience your theory is off base.

Pic 1 is the little seeded cutting. Pic 2 is her after being chopped for cuttings, pic 3 is her cuttings.[/QUOTE
all of your clones look small so if you cut one that was considerably larger( i cut a good one at 6-9 inches) you would see what he is talking about.
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IMO

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RickWhite said:
That's what I thought when I did it.

Notice those little dwarf shoots never grow like the others. Different parts of an organism are made up of different cell types and they don't all necessarily take on new rolls when cloned. For instance, would a cloned root stop being a root and grow to be a full plant? Seems like those little dwarf stems just want to be dwarf stems. You are welcome to try it if you want pathetic plants.
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but you can clone roots, and they will grow into big bushy plants.
 
RickWhite

RickWhite

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It may be the case that these dwarf stems might eventually grow into full plants if grown long enough. But when grown side by side with other plants they produce runts. Vegging these three times as long is no use to me.

I'd be interested to see links showing plants cloned from a root or leaf - and I'm not talking about advanced lab techniques, I'm talking regular propagation. I have inserted fire fly DNA into a plant and made it glow. I'm sure just about anything can be done in a lab.
 
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Mark5:9

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I don't think plant growth is strictly linear.. in that every clone grows at the exact same rate. It might have the same DNA but if I take a tiny little clone with only the tiniest of leaves and a clone from the same mother with several large leaves.. It should be apparent that the larger one will be able to generate more energy from it's larger leaves every moment of every day light hour further gaining ground on the little guy. The larger one will gain ground exponentially and the small one can not and never will catch up.

Genetically they are the same.. it's about how they start out. If this was not the truth then tissue culture would not be popular in commercial production.
 
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