Cloning - Aeroponic vs. Bubbler

igrowhydro

igrowhydro

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I'm curious as to other people's opinion on what they prefer to use to clone with.
Just like the title, which is better an aeroponic cloner or a bubbler?

I have a bubbler i'm using now and i'm not getting that great of results. I need to pump out 40 successfully rooted clones soon. So i need something that is 100% and simplistic to run every time with no tricks.

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thesublime1

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I use an ez cloner and have consistent results. cut the clone, dip in root tech and put in the ez cloner. done
there are couple of things to take into consideration.
- must make sure that temp in the ez-cloner stays cool. (i keep mine around 73 with the help of a chiller) During cooler seasons it is not as hard to maintain, but right now without the chiller my cloner gets over 90 degrees. Then they all die.
- make sure the water ph is around 6. works well for me.

this method works for me everytime.
 
igrowhydro

igrowhydro

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sounds good. I have wanted an ez cloner for a while, but just haven't had the extra money yet.

I am in the process of building a diy aero cloner and i hope it works out.
I will use a 396 eco pump, 1/2" pvc and 6-8 ez-clone misters. Then drill 2" holes in the top of a tote for 2" neoprene collars.

It should look something like this




This is stinkbud's cloner.

Question: Is it ok to run the misters 24/7 ?
Do you need an airstone?
 
FLoJo

FLoJo

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ya dont run the misters all the time, run the air pump all the time and do 30 on 30 off, gives the roots a lil time to dry off which will speed up development... and aero is the way to go... there simply is no faster method if you do it right
 
igrowhydro

igrowhydro

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ok i'm convinced. Would you guys consider that this design with 6 misters, eco 396 is sufficient? What are the important factors involved for the aero cloner to work right everytime ??

water temps? Air temps?

Water to use? Distilled? Tap? Should you add any suppliments to the water?

Dome? Mist how often for how many days?

Should you dip the clones in rooting gel before placing in the cloner?

Best timing schedule? 15 15, 30 30, 1 5 ??

thanks in advance, I need to get this right and I'm sure the collaborated info can help out lots of people
 
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thesublime1

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water temps work faster at cooler temps. I have a chiller on my ez cloner and set it to 73. Air temp in room should be 70s.
- tap water works just fine. ph it to 6.
- no need for a dome, no misting.
- i use root tech, cut dip and place in cloner. done
- i also use root 66 (10 ml per gallon) helps development.
- sinve your running it all the time do 15 on 15 off.

most important factor is keeping the water temp in the cloner cool. the pump inside the cloner gets the water warm and can rot the cuttings.
I have used frozen 2 liters before, but too much temp fluctuation and so I just bought a 1/4 chiller. expensive but worth it to have 100% every time year round.
 
igrowhydro

igrowhydro

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thesublime1 said:
water temps work faster at cooler temps. I have a chiller on my ez cloner and set it to 73. Air temp in room should be 70s.
- tap water works just fine. ph it to 6.
- no need for a dome, no misting.
- i use root tech, cut dip and place in cloner. done
- i also use root 66 (10 ml per gallon) helps development.
- sinve your running it all the time do 15 on 15 off.

most important factor is keeping the water temp in the cloner cool. the pump inside the cloner gets the water warm and can rot the cuttings.
I have used frozen 2 liters before, but too much temp fluctuation and so I just bought a 1/4 chiller. expensive but worth it to have 100% every time year round.
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Thank You
That is pretty conclusive to everything ive read today. I just ordered some root tech gel and clonex gel trial packs! woot woot.. I have clonex clone solution already... It calls for i think 10ml per gallon. Is this ok to use like the root 66? :peace:
 
420ClosetGrow

420ClosetGrow

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for dwc you'll need air stones. it produces bubbles which contains oxygen which is delivered to the developing root system. read, read and read some more. don't cheap out when your growing. it'll just cost you in the end.
 
Butthead08

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what do you guys mean by 15 15 30 30 etc.. also is it ok for the roots to sit in the water when it isn't on? wouldn't that make them rot? nutes? I've been very interested in this technique for a while.
thanks
 
FLoJo

FLoJo

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that is why you have the air pump always going it keeps the roots oxygenated so that they dont rot... root rot is caused by oversaturation and lack of oxygen... if they constantly have oxygen and clean surroundings rotting is not a problem.. but when they are developing roots they have to get wet at allow dry time for oxygen to saturate the newly cut stems.. technically speaking you could run the misters all the time but it would take forever to root if they rooted at all because a clone making roots is a survival response.. if they constantly get water they will be content just chillin
 
SumDumGuy

SumDumGuy

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igrowhydro said:
I'm curious as to other people's opinion on what they prefer to use to clone with.
Just like the title, which is better an aeroponic cloner or a bubbler?

I have a bubbler i'm using now and i'm not getting that great of results. I need to pump out 40 successfully rooted clones soon. So i need something that is 100% and simplistic to run every time with no tricks.

lets here it
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I bubble with no rooting gel just plain pH'ed water changed daily. Takes my 12-14 days. If you get a Maxi 900 hooked into a hose and scew in 3 micron misting heads than you can expect viability in 4 to 6. Does that answer it?? ;-)
 
SumDumGuy

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stucklikechuck said:
yes misters should be on all the time. and i dont know if you NEED a airstone but i dont see why it would hurt.
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Airstone not needed - The airation produced my the misters is far more effective. Ples you will not want additional heating elements in with yer clones.
 
FLoJo

FLoJo

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SumDumGuy said:
Airstone not needed - The airation produced my the misters is far more effective. Ples you will not want additional heating elements in with yer clones.
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you do need airstones because once the roots hit the water they need to have oxygenated water or you can end up with root rot issues... plus an airstone is not going to put out any heat.... the air pump will put out heat but it isnt in the water now is it?? there is a reason that ezcloners have oxygen tubes that run thru the res and it aint to give away free tubing...
 
SumDumGuy

SumDumGuy

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FLoJo said:
you do need airstones because once the roots hit the water they need to have oxygenated water or you can end up with root rot issues... plus an airstone is not going to put out any heat.... the air pump will put out heat but it isnt in the water now is it?? there is a reason that ezcloners have oxygen tubes that run thru the res and it aint to give away free tubing...
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Airstone not needed... I'm not talking from the other hole dude. I use piston air pump for my DWC and them guys put out heat...

What yuo wanna do is use a deep tub so that the roots don't touch the water. Shit if the roots are touching the water pull 'em out and get vegging baby!!! Ya dig ;-)

Also please don't get sassy with me kiddo~~
 
igrowhydro

igrowhydro

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Thanks fellas. I'm waiting for my ezcone misters to come in. In the mean time i'm going to give rockwool cloning another go.
 
SumDumGuy

SumDumGuy

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igrowhydro said:
Thanks fellas. I'm waiting for my ezcone misters to come in. In the mean time i'm going to give rockwool cloning another go.
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Good Luck bro, I'm sure you'll be fine... Remember to place your clines near the edges on the rockrool as there's more oxygen there that center hole gets made with a puncher and clogs up as soon as you wet it. I get better results when I GENTLY punch my own hole in RW.
 
igrowhydro

igrowhydro

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yeah i was thinking the same thing. I have a dropper that i use for ph up/down and it makes a nice snug hole for the clones. I pulled the propagation flat, dome, and heat mat out of the grow room yesterday bc of higher temps and put them in my closet which is nice and cool. I misted the dome put a therm. inside, and put the heat mat on low. I checked that thing all day and the temp stayed right at 74 with 90% hum. It still hasn't changed today:mrgreen:. I think this will def. improve my odds this time. Check out my grow as i'll be posting pics later.
:peace:
 
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So Gro

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Look guys don't waste your money or time on expensive misters or aero systems. I built my entire setup with parts from wal-mart and lowes, with the exception of my water pumps. Air pumps are a must in a bubbler setup(water in root chamber). If you are using true aeroponics, where the entire root is suspended in air, and having no water in the root chamber, a pump isn't not necessary in the external tank, but could never hurt. Water chiller is a good idea. Cooler water can hold more oxygen than warmer water. Warm water promotes root rot, which is bad. I have gotten my best results with sprayers on for 15 and off for 30. I have read a lot of research, and done a lot of my own. If anyone has any questions, just ask, I know I didn't cover every detail. Peace.
 
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