Clones not doing so good in bubbler..

Took 6 clones six days ago. Until yesterday they were find. Defoliated alot of the leaves think I had too many. Think this is from too much heat? Will they recover? They are in a bubbler with no nutes and indirect light. Also room is not air conditioned. Maybe in the high 70's low 80s. Stems are submerged in bubbler. Help!!

Have they rooted yet? If not you may need a dome and if they have rooted they're possibly rotten, have a look.

I agree they need humidity such as a dome or simply raising the humidity. But they are also receiving too much light to use 'no nutrients' so you need to use the second method of cloning. We perpetual cloners use two methods but most people don't understand there are two distinct methods. (There are other's like full nutrients, full light. And full light with no nutrients but with foliar feeding) and so on..

1. Extremely low light and no nutrients at all.
2. Indirect light and a small amount of nutrients.

P.S. If you actually have rot in 6 days there is a serious problem in your process. One of the biggest reasons peoples clones don't root is too much looking under the cover as light prohibits root growth.

You don't ever need a dome when aero cloning. You want the clone to get all its moisture from below, not above. And you always want to start with good, no issue clones . Those look not so good.

I'm a.master aero cloner. Been at it for 4+yrs, and rarely ever lose a single.clone. tap watwr, ph to 6.0, and under a t8 6500k light 18/6 and I use dip n grow rooting compound. 4 days and I have nubs, 9 days and I have big enough roots to up pot. I also have my.cloners on my.basement floor to help keep the water cool.

DemonTrich said:

You don't ever need a dome when aero cloning. You want the clone to get all its moisture from below, not above. And you always want to start with good, no issue clones . Those look not so good.

I'm a.master aero cloner. Been at it for 4+yrs, and rarely ever lose a single.clone. tap watwr, ph to 6.0, and under a t8 6500k light 18/6 and I use dip n grow rooting compound. 4 days and I have nubs, 9 days and I have big enough roots to up pot. I also have my.cloners on my.basement floor to help keep the water cool.

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I've got a aero cloner setup but haven't plugged it in because I have good success with root riot cubes. So I have read that all the moisture comes from the Res but would the cloning area not have to be kept at a higher humidity? And if your area is dry would a dome not help? Just curious as I have no desire to switch .

I'll repeat it again, NO need for a dome with an aero cloner. You want the plant to get its moisture from below, not above. RR plugs are different, you need a dome.

You don't need pumps, res or nothing but a cool white spectrum lighting, 64-80 watts and something to make a bin out of like a large clear plastic garbage bag etc.

Of course with aero you don't require any root suspension. I use hydroton and soft rock wool for suspension in the bin and for budding. Some use root riot cubes etc for suspension.

Every way requires some sort of root stimulant. I use Stimroot #2 yellow powder.

If the power fails on the bin it's really no big deal. They'll root in the dark. The light is mainly for plant health and the power will be restored before then.

I have noticed on some purchased cloning trays(domes) the air holes are in the top which is NG for cloning certain varieties of weed. I put a single air/drain hole in the lowest corner of the bin.

Some sort of pump up sprayer is a must if you do this for any amount of time. Before I close the bin I'll fill each rock wool suspension with spent res water using the pump up sprayer. Then everything gets misted before closing the door on the bin. Mist and water again in 5-7 days depending on humidity. Some snips will at that time have roots and will have to be removed from the bin. As you see roots remove each one from the bin and put in new ones, if you like.

Newbies are best to go with root cubes and/or hard rock wool.

Everything that gets done in the mother room gets done with the spent res water from the budders. This water gets swapped out every 5-7 days.

I am not yet rooting. I am using no nutes and low light. The tops are dark twisted and limp. They were all fine till yesterday. The bin is light proof and I only checked for roots today. There are none. Moved them into an air conditioned room at 75 degrees f.

Oh and I haven't used a dome as I was under the impression a bubbler doesn't need one

Yeah not a humidity dome now you just monitor humidity like you are already doing for your veg room.

DemonTrich said:

I'll repeat it again, NO need for a dome with an aero cloner. You want the plant to get its moisture from below, not above. RR plugs are different, you need a dome.

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Well OP needs something lol

Yeah, like read the many threads on cloning. Like taking healthy cut to begin with. His cuts in the cloner look very sad, I'd kill them and take new ones......and bigger ones.

Get a humidity dome,vents closed first 3/4 days after then vents open.

It's the leaves that need misting twice a day for first 5/7 days after that once a day .I would not even have the bubbler on till I knew they was ok,rooting gel have them sitting in pucks after a few days, then put bubbler on.

Also you only need a low intense light a cfl will work perfect.I would put the clones into a mix of water and aloe Vera leave to soak over night,this will help with wilting,but the problem I think lies with humidity.

Could it be the water is to hot as well?

water is very cool to the touch. clones were healthy as the mother plant for the first five days. had a bit of a heat wave yesterday noticed the drooping as well as the leaves cuppling up. was thinking it was the heat. have not misted plants at all. tried clone cuttings last year with peat pellets and misting with dome and got the same outcome. mothers are pretty healthy. dont know what is going on. may just try another batch later. gonna wait to see what they do. for now, im going to add a dome with no vents and mist a fee times daily and see if they perk up. thanks for the help guys.

You need clone dome dude. They will just struggle without proper dome. As you can see results without dome.


Here are my clones. Unknow strain. Weed bag seeds.

Exactly 14days old from rooted in dome.
150watts compact grow light.
I keep my veg /mother room very hot. 28 30c plus. Fuck all air circulation. Took about 10days to see roots popping out
I misted my girls twice a day with pure rain water. Kept them fully wet.

nice... looks like now the leaves are starting to dry up. so i misted them and put an unvented dome over the top. will continue to mist when they dry up. hope this fixes it.

bird mcbride said:

Every way requires some sort of root stimulant. I use Stimroot #2 yellow powder.

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I never use a rooting enhancer in my aero.....Don't need it and it rinse's off the stem's pronto anyway. There's another personal choice thing, same as what the next sentence brings. = I do like having a weak seedling fert like Clonex's or G&H Rapid start in the mix.

I use minute amounts of Cbleach in my water. No need to swap water every "what ever" days, and never and I mean never have gotten the bacterial "rot". The same as far as keeping Root riot trays clean! Use a sanitizing solution after every use and scrub any area that algae grew on well.

ToneOZ said:

nice... looks like now the leaves are starting to dry up. so i misted them and put an unvented dome over the top. will continue to mist when they dry up. hope this fixes it.

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Nice. It will help. Everyone's grow is completely different. We could all have exact same clones from one mother and everyone's grow will turn out completly different. Our environment. Our tap waters. Our heat and air. Changes everything. Once U find the key to growing in your own environment U will succeed.

Iv always just used pure rain water when ever the heavens open up I collect the rain only for when I clone. Which is per harvest. Iv always water them with rain water and mist them constant. My dome never dryer out and was always wet. But I made my envrioment very hot. And humid like. To accomdate my wet clone method. And by day 8 I see roots. Every clone I cutt. Roots.and then grows very quick.