Cloneing : Question

Hi

This might be a silly question but i'm just looking for input .

Is it ok to cut from a cloned plant just befor putting it in to flower ?... Or do clones respond better from a mother plant that has been grown from seed ?

If its ok ... do you have a better / worse time to take a clone ?

Maybe another silly question ... but taking a clone , Is it better to do it befor the plant sleeps or just as it wakes up ?

Sorry if the questions are stupid ...but im just trying to think like a plant and how i would feel if somone was cutting bits off me heheh

Thanks in advance !

Ok... seems i have part of the answer i was looking for .... found ( Related posts ) after i made this one ...ooops heheh

https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/49011-cloneing-question.html

So according to this post a clone that takes root becomes a plant and can have cuttings taken from it .... thats good .... But i would still like to know about the timeing of taking a cutting

Thank you

IMO, it doesn't matter if it's light or dark or anywhere in between. I'm still new and learning all the time though but so far I haven't noticed a difference. The only thing I've found that does make a difference is taking cutings from flowering plants vs veg plants. They still root just as quick but there seems to be a bit of a difference in growth as the ones I've taken and seen taken from flowering plants have small buds on them already so the cutting has to root and revert back to veg. On the ones I have right now the buds appear to be dying off and it looks like they might fall off or something. These are the first ones I've taken from a flowering plant with buds on it so I'm not sure how the process will work but that's what it looks like is going on anyway.

Well, I've heard it said that after the sleep period, that most of the plant's growth hormones are down in the roots . I can't say for sure wether or not it's true - but for that reason, I take my cuttings as soon as the light comes on.

Dezracer said:

IMO, it doesn't matter if it's light or dark or anywhere in between. I'm still new and learning all the time though but so far I haven't noticed a difference. The only thing I've found that does make a difference is taking cutings from flowering plants vs veg plants. They still root just as quick but there seems to be a bit of a difference in growth as the ones I've taken and seen taken from flowering plants have small buds on them already so the cutting has to root and revert back to veg. On the ones I have right now the buds appear to be dying off and it looks like they might fall off or something. These are the first ones I've taken from a flowering plant with buds on it so I'm not sure how the process will work but that's what it looks like is going on anyway.

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If i were cloning a flowering plant to reveg, i would cut them little buds off before i stuck it in my cloner


Also yes, rot growth and hormones are stimulated most when lights are off, so cloning right after dark period would be good. - but it really doesnt matter

Hi Guys

Well i get my clones in a couple of days ... im gonna grow them nice and steady for a while in veg and then take cuttings from them in a few weeks ( after sleep ) then flower them while my new cuttings grow ... and just repeat

Thanks for all your inputs

imo...take clones during the morning/day so the cuts can heal
and wait a few days before switching to flower ....if thats the case

I'm gonna actually contradict the answers, not saying I'm right nor am I saying they're wrong, as mentioned it really doesn't matter. But for me I think, if I got my ass kicked (or an arm cut off for example sake) I sure as hell don't want it to be first thing in the morning, now I gotta walk around all day with this bloody stump, whereas if it were say on the way home I could simply go home, take some advil ( I always feed with vitamin b before cutting or transplanting) and sleep it off. Or drinking, I don't get drunk at 9 am for a reason. Lol. But as mentioned, it doesn't seem to make a difference, however your ?'S have a unique kinda angle to them, shows you have an eye for detail and an appetite to learn, so I say try all of them take lots of notes and let us know what you conclude. Worst case scenario u learn something while teachin us something

sensisensai said:

I'm gonna actually contradict the answers, not saying I'm right nor am I saying they're wrong, as mentioned it really doesn't matter. But for me I think, if I got my ass kicked (or an arm cut off for example sake) I sure as hell don't want it to be first thing in the morning, now I gotta walk around all day with this bloody stump, whereas if it were say on the way home I could simply go home, take some advil ( I always feed with vitamin b before cutting or transplanting) and sleep it off. Or drinking, I don't get drunk at 9 am for a reason. Lol. But as mentioned, it doesn't seem to make a difference, however your ?'S have a unique kinda angle to them, shows you have an eye for detail and an appetite to learn, so I say try all of them take lots of notes and let us know what you conclude. Worst case scenario u learn something while teachin us something

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Hi Sensi

Yupp thats exactley where im comming from , Im trying to think whats best for the mother and a liitle bit of help for the clone in its early stages .... anything that can improve the wellbeing of both has to have a positive effect of some kind , The minimum harm and distress to both mother and clone may or may not amout to much ...or ...it may be the diffrence between a faster stronger grow or a slightly higher yeild ....or it may make no diffrence .... but i think its worth asking and as you say making note of

Thank you for seeing that i have an attention to detail ... I have been inspired by some of the posts here that have been charting progress of build / grows and decided i will try and do the same .... Feel free to hop on when it gets goin https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/340864-ready-steady-grow-ventos-first.html

Thank you for your input , Makes perfect sence to me

As to the timing I have not noticed a difference in clones taken from the morning, afternoon or night. I can understand Sensi's logic here, but if you have a big healthy mother it's more like taking off a finger than an arm and the plant is going to respond by growing more anyway so a healthy mother isn't going to miss a beat if you take a cutting.

As for your question: "Is it ok to cut from a cloned plant just befor putting it in to flower ?... Or do clones respond better from a mother plant that has been grown from seed?"... I am not sure if I understand the question so I am going to respond to the two things I think you might be trying to say:

If you are talking about putting the cutting into the flowering stage (i don't think you are, but as I said I'm not sure), then I woudl advise against it just because the clone needs time to take root and get to about eighteen inches or so tall before you start to flower. I think you probably know that since you seem fairly educated, but there it is anyway.

If you are talking about putting the mother in to the flowering cycle then you should be fine. You're going to lose that one node which would have been another bud, but mothers are for making more plants and not so much for making bud themselves.

I hope one of those answers was what you were looking for.

Man I don't think it makes a difference one way or the other

MedicalMystery said:

As to the timing I have not noticed a difference in clones taken from the morning, afternoon or night. I can understand Sensi's logic here, but if you have a big healthy mother it's more like taking off a finger than an arm and the plant is going to respond by growing more anyway so a healthy mother isn't going to miss a beat if you take a cutting.

As for your question: "Is it ok to cut from a cloned plant just befor putting it in to flower ?... Or do clones respond better from a mother plant that has been grown from seed?"... I am not sure if I understand the question so I am going to respond to the two things I think you might be trying to say:

If you are talking about putting the cutting into the flowering stage (i don't think you are, but as I said I'm not sure), then I woudl advise against it just because the clone needs time to take root and get to about eighteen inches or so tall before you start to flower. I think you probably know that since you seem fairly educated, but there it is anyway.

If you are talking about putting the mother in to the flowering cycle then you should be fine. You're going to lose that one node which would have been another bud, but mothers are for making more plants and not so much for making bud themselves.

I hope one of those answers was what you were looking for.

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Hi ya

Sorry if my questions are a bit confusing , It just made some sence to me at the time that it might be better or worse at diffrent times of the plants day to take a cutting .

As for the other question , I just wanted to know if its ok taking a cutting from a cloned plant ( say 6 weeks in veg ) ..... or is it better to take a cutting from a plant you have grown from seed ... I guess thats a more simple way to ask heheh

I will be getting some clones my friend and i cut last week ( 4 ) as soon as they are ready .... i will then be dropping them in my grow room under a 125 W CFL Blue till they mature and then swapping the light out to a 600 W HPS then going 12/12 .... But befor i do i want to know if its ok to cut clones .... or would i get better results if i got some seed and started a new fresh search for my own mother plants .

Hope that makes more sence

well, I would say if you like the genetic qualities you see in your vegging plant then take clones from that, if you don't, try a seed and see if it looks better. It's going to be faster to not have to grow out a seed, but in terms of clone quality then it doesn't make a difference since a clone is an exact genetic duplicate. The only real reason to grow a seed out would be to see if you can maybe isolate some different genetic traits that you like and that you don't see in your current plants.

If you want to make a mother just make an extra cutting and keep it under 24/0 18/6 or whatever the cycle in your veg room is.

Sup. I'm pumped. I have some solid shit for your question.

#1. When to take clones? About thanksgiving last year I became extremely interested in how plants roots and water transport systems worked. The plant doesn't completely fill itself up with water, this makes sense because it has to move so many things around. Energy from the leaves is moved to new growth, nutrients are transported up from the ground, etc. I agree with what was said about the mother losing a finger, its probably even closer to getting a skinned knee or blister. Not worried about the mother, we're worried about the babies. I take clones in the mid afternoon. The reason I do this is because during the sleep cycle the plant mainly focuses on root growth and has the bulk of its energy underground. During the morning you'll notice your plant swells outward a bit, petals on flowers become fuller, leaves can even angle upwards. This is because the plants xylem is becoming engorged with water. Once the plant is fully hydrated above ground, photosynthetic pro-cursors are pumped into everything shortly afterwards so photosynthesis and protein building begins. We want cuttings to have as much energy as possible to develop roots and survive the process, just before the peak of the afternoon ensures your plant has the maximum amount of energy in its branches and leaves.

#2. Can I clone a clone? I'm guessing that this refers to a genetic question more than a "will it grow question". My information on this is relayed given I've never cloned clones 20 times removed from an original mother. Yes its true genetic breakdown happens when you continue to clone clones. That photocopier (copying a copy) analogy is true, however it doesn't happen that quick. I was reading a article by a dutch cannabis geneticist, he claimed you can repeat the cloning process around 20 times before the strain begins to weaken in any practical way. I know subcool subscribes to this theory and they propagate without a safety net. Lets give a real high estimate and assume your clones are 10 times removed from an actual seed. This means you got around 3 years of re-cloning crops until you have to trash it for genetic reasons. I'm gonna take a wild stab and say you'll probably get bored of it by then.

Good luck,
-Grizz

DoeEyed said:

Well, I've heard it said that after the sleep period, that most of the plant's growth hormones are down in the roots . I can't say for sure wether or not it's true - but for that reason, I take my cuttings as soon as the light comes on.

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I think you are right. I cut my clones after my plants have been on 12/12 for 2 days