Clone vs. Seed

ROCKER333

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When there is a low water-table and a plant receives water from the top continuously, is there any incentive to grow a tap at all? Regardless of clone or seed?
 

Dan Kone

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When there is a low water-table and a plant receives water from the top continuously, is there any incentive to grow a tap at all? Regardless of clone or seed?
yes. seeds always start off with a tap root. Roots will stretch deep for nutrients, increased water supply, and stability. The larger the root structure, the more nutrients and water a plant can take in. As long as the roots are healthy and are not hitting a barrier, they will continue to stretch through out their vegetative period, deep into flowering.
 

doublejj

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Me to wheezy, I agree

I have clones from clones that are over 15 years old

peace
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P.S. I have both clones & seed plants in my greenhouse this year, side by side. All started about the same time Jan-Feb. We'll see!
 
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MediGrow530

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i only have 6 clones and 10 seed plants, the seed girls are MUCH MUCH bigger than the clones, but the clones are full and more like bushes, the seed plants are big and tall all around trees! take a look at my grow and see! ive taken clones to replace the querkle plants i ripped out a few weeks back, so we will see how good the clones from the humboldt kush catches up, same for the nevilles haze! i cant wait to see the results!
 
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Dan Kone

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i only have 6 clones and 10 seed plants, the seed girls are MUCH MUCH bigger than the clones, but the clones are full and more like bushes, the seed plants are big and tall all around trees! take a look at my grow and see! ive taken clones to replace the querkle plants i ripped out a few weeks back, so we will see how good the clones from the humboldt kush catches up, same for the nevilles haze! i cant wait to see the results!
That's a prime example of how vigor works. You're plants from seed are more vigorous. In this case, since you're growing them out to be monsters, that's probably going to be a big advantage. But if you were doing a SOG grow it would be a huge disadvantage because the more vigorous plant will stretch more and the node spacing will become less desirable for that particular type of grow. In that case the less vigorous fuller clones would be an advantage.

People misunderstand this subject frequently. Hell, I don't fully understand it. Many people think the best plant you can possibly have under any circumstances is a plant from seed and every time you're cloning it, you're losing quality like you would when you photocopy a photocopy. It doesn't work that way at all.
 
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TWS

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i only have 6 clones and 10 seed plants, the seed girls are MUCH MUCH bigger than the clones, but the clones are full and more like bushes, the seed plants are big and tall all around trees! take a look at my grow and see! ive taken clones to replace the querkle plants i ripped out a few weeks back, so we will see how good the clones from the humboldt kush catches up, same for the nevilles haze! i cant wait to see the results!
This is what I've noticed in our grow. 4 seed and 5 clones. The clones are way bushy and the seeds look like King Kongs ...........:bigjoint: well you kinda get the picture. lol :o The leaves are huge.:leaf:

That's a prime example of how vigor works. You're plants from seed are more vigorous. In this case, since you're growing them out to be monsters, that's probably going to be a big advantage. But if you were doing a SOG grow it would be a huge disadvantage because the more vigorous plant will stretch more and the node spacing will become less desirable for that particular type of grow. In that case the less vigorous fuller clones would be an advantage.

People misunderstand this subject frequently. Hell, I don't fully understand it. Many people think the best plant you can possibly have under any circumstances is a plant from seed and every time you're cloning it, you're losing quality like you would when you photocopy a photocopy. It doesn't work that way at all.


Great discussion. :weed:
 

E Scrizz

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Sweet. I am about to try to breed and do some seeds next year. Does anyone know how far the males pollen can spread? l
 

Dan Kone

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Sweet. I am about to try to breed and do some seeds next year. Does anyone know how far the males pollen can spread? l
If you get a cheapo greenhouse or build your own cheapo greenhouse, you can contain the pollen. I do this and produce seeds a few hundred feet from my grow and it's never been a problem for me.

Get some pcp pipe and transparent painters tarp from home depot and you're good to go.
 

southsacboy916

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seed are much stronger, better yield and more potent. however seeds are for the purest they take a while to start and they have to be taken care of, not for money growers
im gonna have to firmly disagree with you on the more potent part... i forget the strain but i was at a club that tests their tree for potentcy and their highest one was 23.5% and it was grown from clone...
 

penguinking

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If you get a cheapo greenhouse or build your own cheapo greenhouse, you can contain the pollen. I do this and produce seeds a few hundred feet from my grow and it's never been a problem for me.

Get some pcp pipe and transparent painters tarp from home depot and you're good to go.
lol, some pcp pipe? i think you meant pvc?
 

qnotes

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Not putting all your proverbial eggs in a proverbial basket is always a good rule of thumb. Why not try both? If you get a good seasonal rotation down you can be rotating in and out of both methods of growing. Take more clones from your seeds, etc.

If you grow clones, at least you'll always know what the sex is. With seeds, there's the chance for males, which are needed for hybridizing, of course, and procuring more seeds. Growing both ways has a multitude of options. I like growing both way simultaneously.

Edit: I find that it's easier to screw up clones than it is to screw up seeds (which also require less money and preparation). But like I said, I do enjoy doing both.
 

qnotes

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Sweet. I am about to try to breed and do some seeds next year. Does anyone know how far the males pollen can spread? l
A long long way. Pollen can travel for up to several hundred feet, but typically does not travel much further than 100 feet or so.
 

tip top toker

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Will a clone grow as vigorous as a seed? Also I am just asking because I have never tested or charted this info. statistics and notes on growth, nutes, water, and amount of sun would be cool if you have it. thank you
What prior experience or knowledge do you have for it to be such a loaded question? Personally i hate seeds, they are slow and annoying and piss me off, clones every time if it's an option, they root then they're off, seeds fart around doing bugger all for a good while until they're big enough for the growth to start becoming apparent.
 
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