Clawing barely feeding

I planted these germinated seed about a month ago took them a while to pop out of soil i started feeding quarter strength big bloom 1/4 strength cal mag and quarter strength grow big. I plucked the new growth for the first small topping and now they look like this....anyone know wtf is going on? Didn’t think it was nitrogen toxicity because they aren’t dark green posted some pics and feedback helps thanks. Forgot to add my ph runoff is a little high it was at 7.8 I’m using 25 % peat moss that is ph balanced 45% vermiculite and 30 % compost soil I water at a ph level of 6.5

that's not clawing at all, that's insane overwatering.....nothing to do with N, everything to do with insufficient root growth and the medium staying too wet. let them dry out good between waterings, and don't soak them till they get a good bit bigger, just give them sips around the base of the plant till they start to show some fresh growth

Roger A. Shrubber said:

that's not clawing at all, that's insane overwatering.....nothing to do with N, everything to do with insufficient root growth and the medium staying too wet. let them dry out good between waterings, and don't soak them till they get a good bit bigger, just give them sips around the base of the plant till they start to show some fresh growth

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Thanks, I usually wait until they are completely dry, I just watered because this morning they were dry as a bone. The picture below is them on Thursday I watered last on Monday

this is claw, from too much N


this is over watering....leaves very full looking, stems not drooping, but leaves curling downward....

Roger A. Shrubber said:

that's not clawing at all, that's insane overwatering.....nothing to do with N, everything to do with insufficient root growth and the medium staying too wet. let them dry out good between waterings, and don't soak them till they get a good bit bigger, just give them sips around the base of the plant till they start to show some fresh growth

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Do you have drain holes in those cups?

probably wouldn't be a bad idea to go ahead and repot those into their next size containers, let the roots stretch out a little.
if the roots were well developed, they would be able to deal with a watering without curling up. just need to give them good conditions nd a little time to catch up

Beachwalker said:

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Do you have drain holes in those cups?

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i don't see any....that would be an excellent place to start.........
weed ALWAYS needs good drainage.....

You may be under watering too. If they perk up after a couple of hours when you water, under watering is the culprit.

Hi LL,
I just wanted to comment on your soil mix Too much vermiculite and peat and not enough soil.. Either go soil-less or buy some good soil and add a bit of perlite. Tried and true. But then I'm mostly a hydro guy so what do I know?
JD

Oh i completely overlooked your mix and went straight to pics. Yeah 45% vermiculite is a shit load. Dont do that. Try mixing some other aeration materials and organic matter in compost will retain water just fine. Lava stones, pumice, perlite and zeolite mix has been working for me.

crimsonecho said:

Oh i completely overlooked your mix and went straight to pics. Yeah 45% vermiculite is a shit load. Dont do that. Try mixing some other aeration materials and organic matter in compost will retain water just fine. Lava stones, pumice, perlite and zeolite mix has been working for me.

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Thanks when I repot I was going to add a bunch of perlite.

crimsonecho said:

Oh i completely overlooked your mix and went straight to pics. Yeah 45% vermiculite is a shit load. Dont do that. Try mixing some other aeration materials and organic matter in compost will retain water just fine. Lava stones, pumice, perlite and zeolite mix has been working for me.

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Missed it too ..waaay too much vermiculite! Good catch John Dee

if you're going to use soil, use soil, leave the peat out, and add about 20% perlite to it. peat and soil can work together, but they both have different ph requirements, and i've always suspected it causes minor issues when you mix soil with peat or coco

Roger A. Shrubber said:

i don't see any....that would be an excellent place to start.........
weed ALWAYS needs good drainage.....

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I made a lot of holes at the bottom of the cup day one

Roger A. Shrubber said:

probably wouldn't be a bad idea to go ahead and repot those into their next size containers, let the roots stretch out a little.
if the roots were well developed, they would be able to deal with a watering without curling up. just need to give them good conditions nd a little time to catch up

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I just watered them can’t transplant* right now

over watering, plus to much light